Iran-Pakistan Gas Pipeline (IPP) News & Updates.

[Nahraf]

fine let's DROP THE GAS PIPE LINE DEAL IF THE FOLLOWING DEMANDS ARE MEET:

1) USA GIVES US A NUCLEAR DEAL

2) ALL US DEBT TO PAKISTAN IS WRITTEN OFF

3) USA ALSO PROVIDES US MARKETS TO SELL OUR GOODS

The Nuclear deal and Free Trade Agreement with US are paramount for Pakistan. We have been asking them for last three years but they refuse to talk. The nuclear deal with China and gas pipeline with Iran will never be quid pro quo for any agreement with USA.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Pakistani nukes have our address written on them. That gives us the right to be judgmental.

Anyway, we never 'stole' any 'nuke material' from anyone. Educate yourself Mr Mod. Given that you had moderated on this thread, it is therefore a willful amnesia that you are indulging in.

Before uttering out your trash in complete state of amnesia Mr. Toxic, do read the below link and then try to Google few things on the net to learn about your Indian history of stealing nuke material from a reactor provided by the Canadian under the peaceful nuke cooperation and program thing.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...-ties-india-cautions-china-22.html#post945864

And next time don't upon it up, until and unless you know facts and history of your own country's stealing.

And our nukes having your address is correct, as you are our enemy, the day we get another enemy, we will change the add on some of them and notify you. For the time being Indian nukes have also Pakistani addresses on them, don't give the China BS, as for now there is no Indo-China nuclear tensions or rivalry, for now its Pak-Indo nuclear rivalry, and the Indian missiles which work reliably for now are stationed at our borders, not Chinese one.

And next time before trolling and letting me know about history, come with your facts checked and learned.

 

[Justin Joseph]

Who are you to judge us ???

a.) Neighbor
b.) Country suffering due to Pakistan
c.) Regional Power
d.) Responsible nuclear state

Ever seen your own stealing nuke material record under the disguise of peaceful purposes, atleast we are not that much of hypocrites and liars who steal under the disguise of peaceful purposes. Our nuke material of whatever kind doesn't turns up on the streets and people getting dead or ill due to that. So check your own record and then lecture us.

That's a joke. Believe me i had a good laugh.

It must be Indian old habit of using nuke material for military purposes under the disguise of peaceful means, our record in that matter is 100% clear, we have been running 2 civilians nuclear plants under the IAEA monitoring and so far not a single report that we diverted thing to our military program from there, as we don't need to, we keep both things separate unlike others who steal and used the stolen material for military purposes.

Our military purpose plants are separate and we are building more of them, we don't act like others.

Really????

But the International community don't thinks so.

And as for your last para, you seriously need to read history and learn about it, copy pasting articles and giving colors to it won't make you learn history, US has harmed us more compared to have helped us, you need to read your history and get your facts right.

Sir, I hold u in high esteem but ur ruing ur image. As a Mod its not good to personally attack a person as its against the rules.

As for history if there was no US help then there is no pakistan today.

China is just a new born in economical or military strength. Before that US of A was supporting, facilitating and funding pak with rock solid support. It is like being ungrateful.

 

[TaimiKhan]

a.) Neighbor
b.) Country suffering due to Pakistan
c.) Regional Power
d.) Responsible nuclear state

a.) Thanks, but we don't need neighbors like you, better to have no neighbor then to have India as one.
b.) Yeah yeah you guys are the angels, no one else suffers due to you, East Pakistan 71, The Kashmiri people, LTTE and Sri Lankans suffering due to that, Indian involvement in Pakistan through Afghanistan, bombings in Pakistan in the 80s and 90s and even still.
c.) Regional Power ?? Seriously disillusioned you guys are in thinking that, anyway can't stop it, keep on going. Regional power for Bhutan, Maldives, Sri Lanka may be, not for us.
d.) Yeah we know how much responsible state you guys are, who stole nuclear material under disguise of peaceful nuke tech through nuke reactor provided for peaceful purposes & the radiated material popping up here and there killing people and making them ill.

That's a joke. Believe me i had a good laugh.

What else to be expected from immature person, this

Go and read history.

Really????

But the International community don't thinks so.

Instead of posting this sarcastic BS, show your sources. And read the post again and what i wrote, if you come with some childish source or story which is not linked to what i said, you will be gone for good.

Sir, I hold u in high esteem but ur ruing ur image. As a Mod its not good to personally attack a person as its against the rules.

As for history if there was no US help then there is no pakistan today.

China is just a new born in economical or military strength. Before that US of A was supporting, facilitating and funding pak with rock solid support. It is like being ungrateful.

Everything all right up there ??? Where is the personal attack thing ?? As said go and read history instead of copy pasting things and doing the bold and coloring part, these things don't tell you history. By the way this is not personal attack, this is an advice. Personal attack is something else. Understand the difference.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Can we stick with the IPP discussion please.

There are three threads on the Sion-Pak nuclear deal, dealing with Indian concerns, US opposition and a general discussion on the deal itself. Keep it there please.

 

[Justin Joseph]

Pakistan may bow to US pressure over Iran pipeline

Monday, 21 June 2010 16:45

Pakistan may bow to US sanctions over Iran gas pipeline that the two countries last week formally signed an export deal which commits Iran to selling natural gas to its eastern neighbour from 2014.

Pakistan will abide by any U.S. sanctions on Iran, the prime minister said on Monday.

Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani's remarks came the day after U.S. Special Envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke pressured Islamabad over the deal.

Pakistan is desperate for new energy sources, saddled with expensive power generation and a daily shortage of as much as 5,000 megawatts. Frequent power outages hamper industry and have sparked street protests against President Asif Ali Zardari's government.

"If the U.S. imposes sanctions, they will have international implications and Pakistan as a member of the international community will follow them," he told reporters at a press conference in the southern Sindh province.

The U.S. Congress is finalising legislation tightening sanctions on Iran over its nuclear programme.

Iran and Pakistan last week formally signed an export deal which commits Iran to selling natural gas to its eastern neighbour from 2014.

Iran has already constructed 907 kilometres of the pipeline between Asalooyeh, in southern Iran, and Iranshahr, which will carry natural gas from Iran's giant South Pars field.

The pipeline was originally planned to connect Iran, Pakistan and India, but the latter pulled out of the project last year.

Pakistan plans to use the gas purchased from Iran for its power sector.

"We cautioned the Pakistanis not to over-commit themselves until we know the legislation," Richard Holbrooke, US President Barack Obama's special envoy to Afghanistan as well as Pakistan, told reporters.

Turkey and Brazil voted against the resolution at the United Nations Security Council, the first time a sanctions vote on Iran has failed to pass unanimously.

Pakistan may bow to US pressure over Iran pipeline [ WORLD BULLETIN- TURKEY NEWS, WORLD NEWS ]

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

^^^ I believe the PM was referring to the UN sanctions, not US sanctions, given the context from his other comments.

US sanctions could play a role in terms of deterring some specific kinds of investments by companies (US ones especially), but I would be surprised if they impact the actual sale of Iranian gas to Pakistan, given that Iran already exports significant amounts of oil and gas to other countries.

 

[Iggy]

Hey Taimi ...you shouldnt have deleted Toxic plus posts..he was refuting your arguments...apart from the last line i didnt see anything trolling in it..This is not fair ..if you think that was offtopic then why yours and Justins posts about nuclear issue are still here in this thread??

 

[asq]

Hay U Indians, since when U.S. gave you the right to speak on their behalf.

As per u, You are our neighbour, are u or are u trying to back stab.

Regardless of your strange acts of suporting anything and every thing against Pakistan, Pakistan will stand firm to protect its interests and its soveriegnty.

just for ur info Pakistan has handled all problems very bravely in a very posative manners and will continue to do so even when our adversaries misbehave and use every opertunity no matter how miniscual to undermine by blowing others horns.

 

[Lankan Ranger]

Pak PM ignores US warning on Iran gas deal, to go ahead with gas import

Defying a warning from Washington, Pakistan's prime minister promised Tuesday to go ahead with a plan to import natural gas from Iran even if the U.S. levies additional sanctions against the Mideast country.

Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani's comments came two days after the U.S. special envoy to Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke, cautioned Pakistan not to ``overcommit'' itself to the deal because it could run afoul of new sanctions against Iran being finalized by Congress.

The deal has been a constant source of tension between the two countries, with Pakistan arguing that it is vital to its ability to cope with an energy crisis and the U.S. stressing that it would undercut international pressure on Iran over its nuclear program.

Gilani said Pakistan would reconsider the deal if it violated U.N. sanctions, but the country was ``not bound to follow'' unilateral U.S. measures. He said media reports that quoted him as saying that Pakistan would heed Holbrooke's warning were incorrect.

The U.N. has levied four sets of sanctions against Iran for failing to suspend uranium enrichment, a process that can produce fuel for a nuclear weapon. The latest set of U.N. sanctions was approved earlier this month.

The U.S. has also applied a number of unilateral sanctions against Iran, and Congress is currently finalizing a new set largely aimed at the country's petroleum industry. Both houses have passed versions of the sanctions and are working to reconcile their differences.

Pakistan and Iran finalized the gas deal earlier this month. Under the contract, Iran will export 760 million cubic feet (21.5 million cubic meters) of gas per day to Pakistan through a new pipeline beginning in 2014. The construction of the pipeline is estimated to cost some $7 billion.

While U.S. officials have expressed opposition to the Pakistan-Iran gas pipeline deal, the issue is complicated by Washington's reliance on Pakistan's cooperation to fight al-Qaida and the Taliban.

The U.S. also acknowledges that Pakistan faces a severe energy crisis and has made aid to the energy sector one of its top development priorities. Electricity shortages in Pakistan cause rolling blackouts that affect businesses and intensify suffering during the hot summer months.

Pak PM ignores US warning on Iran gas deal, to go ahead with gas import - Pakistan - World - The Times of India

 

[Hyde]

US sanctions on Iran not binding for Pakistan: Gilani
Updated at: 1631 PST, Tuesday, June 22, 2010
US sanctions on Iran not binding for Pakistan: Gilani ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani on Tuesday said Pakistan was not bound to follow the US restrictions placed on Iran, but would consider implementing the UN sanctions under its international obligations.

“As far as the US is concerned, we are not bound to follow these [sanctions], but if these are put in place by the United Nations, we will consider these under the obligation of international laws,” Prime Minister Gilani said.

Addressing a luncheon in honour of parliamentarians the Prime Minister clarified his remarks made on Monday at Garhi Khuda Bux about the impact on the over US 7 billion dollars Iran-Pakistan gas pipe line project, if sanctions were imposed by the US or the UN on Iran.

Pakistan has recently inked the ambitious project with Iran, scheduled to get operational by 2014, and will provide fuel to its electricity generation plants to help meet the huge energy shortfall.

Source: US sanctions on Iran not binding for Pakistan: Gilani - GEO.tv

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

hahahaha... lets see wat the new chamchas of uncle sam has to say about this deal now? the same guys who were doubting and 10000101% surely saying the IPI pipeline deal between PAK-IRAN wont happen and we will abandon it on US pressure like indians did.

 

[Creder]

Pakistani PM ignores US warning on Iran gas deal

By SEBASTIAN ABBOT (AP) – 3 hours ago

ISLAMABAD — Defying a warning from Washington, Pakistan's prime minister promised Tuesday to go ahead with a plan to import natural gas from Iran even if the U.S. levies additional sanctions against the Mideast country.

Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani's comments came two days after the U.S. special envoy to Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke, cautioned Pakistan not to "overcommit" itself to the deal because it could run afoul of new sanctions against Iran being finalized by Congress.

The deal has been a constant source of tension between the two countries, with Pakistan arguing that it is vital to its ability to cope with an energy crisis and the U.S. stressing that it would undercut international pressure on Iran over its nuclear program.

Gilani said Pakistan would reconsider the deal if it violated U.N. sanctions, but the country was "not bound to follow" unilateral U.S. measures. He said media reports that quoted him as saying that Pakistan would heed Holbrooke's warning were incorrect.

The U.N. has levied four sets of sanctions against Iran for failing to suspend uranium enrichment, a process that can produce fuel for a nuclear weapon. The latest set of U.N. sanctions was approved earlier this month.

The U.S. has also applied a number of unilateral sanctions against Iran, and Congress is currently finalizing a new set largely aimed at the country's petroleum industry. Both houses have passed versions of the sanctions and are working to reconcile their differences.

Pakistan and Iran finalized the gas deal earlier this month. Under the contract, Iran will export 760 million cubic feet (21.5 million cubic meters) of gas per day to Pakistan through a new pipeline beginning in 2014. The construction of the pipeline is estimated to cost some $7 billion.

While U.S. officials have expressed opposition to the deal, Washington acknowledges that Pakistan faces a severe energy crisis and has made aid to the energy sector one if its top development priorities. Electricity shortages in Pakistan cause rolling blackouts that affect businesses and intensify suffering during the hot summer months.

U.S. opposition to the gas deal has also been tempered by Washington's reliance on Pakistani cooperation to fight al-Qaida and Taliban militants staging attacks against NATO troops in Afghanistan.

The Pakistani military is also engaged in fierce battles with Taliban fighters along the Afghan border who have declared war against the state.

Pakistani troops backed by fighter jets killed 43 militants and wounded two dozen others in the Orakzai tribal region Tuesday, said Jahanzeb Khan, the deputy political administrator in the area.

Four soldiers were killed in the fighting and 18 others were wounded, said Khan.

The military declared victory against the Taliban in Orakzai at the beginning of June, but regular clashes with the militants have continued.

Meanwhile, a purported Pakistani Taliban spokesman warned that the group would kill 35 Pakistani soldiers unless the government agreed to a demand to release captured militants. Security officials confirmed last week that nearly three dozen soldiers were missing, though they have not said if they were kidnapped.

"We have 35 Frontier Corps men in our custody and we will start killing them if our arrested fellows are not released soon," Ikramullah Mohmand told The Associated Press over the phone from undisclosed location.

Mohmand did not mention how many militants the group wanted freed and refused to give a deadline, but said "we will not wait for long."

He confirmed that the paramilitary soldiers were the same ones who went missing after a militant attack on a border checkpoint in Mohmand tribal region more then a week ago. Six Frontier Corps soldiers were killed in the attack.

Attempts to reach a spokesman for the military were not immediately successful.

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is ka sir ghoom gaya hai, kabhi kuch kehta hai kabhi kuch

 

[ejaz007]

Pakistan not to follow US curbs on Iran: PM
Wednesday, June 23, 2010
Gilani backtracks, says only UN sanctions could affect Pak-Iran gas deal
By Mariana Baabar & Asim Yasin

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani on Tuesday flip-flopped over his remarks regarding expected US sanctions on Iran that Pakistan would abide by the US sanctions on Iran that could affect the $7.5 billion Iran-Pakistan natural gas pipeline from going ahead.

Prime Minister Gilani made it clear that Pakistan is not bound to follow the United States restrictions on the Pakistan-Iran gas project. “But, if the United Nations imposed sanctions, then Pakistan will take decision keeping in view the international laws,” he said while addressing a luncheon in honour of parliamentarians at a local hotel here on Tuesday.

Gilani had created a surprise on Monday, when without any thought of what he was saying, he told the media at Garhi Khuda Bux that, “If the US imposes sanctions, they will have international implications and Pakistan, as a member of the international community, will follow them,” Gilani had been quoted as saying on Monday.

He had said this in response to what US Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke had said on Sunday that he had warned Islamabad against signing a deal with Tehran on the gas pipeline as the US is preparing sanctions that could affect the project.

Holbrooke told reporters that Pakistan should not “over-commit” itself to the project till the “comprehensive” sanctions are finalized. The prime minister on Tuesday’s luncheon reiterated the determination to resolve all political and economic issues by following the path of reconciliation. He said the government achieved tremendous success on various issues confronting the country following the vision of Shaheed Benazir Bhutto.

He said the government after having in-depth consultation with the political forces asked the armed forces to launch a massive operation in Malakand and other areas to overcome the terrorists and now they are on the run.

The prime minister said it is obligation of the government to serve the masses and we will discharge our duty with full zeal during the next three years. He said the government is committed to provide relief to the common man and urged the political forces to join hands with the government to overcome the challenges of price hike, terrorism and unemployment. “We believe in constructive politics and would welcome all political forces to join us in resolving national challenges,” he added.

He said all the state organs should work in their constitutional ambit, but the parliament is a supreme body which has to overlook the performance of all state institutions. “The judiciary is working freely, media is free and parliament is supreme,” he said.

The prime minister said his government respected the judiciary and had a firm belief that the free and independent judiciary is must for providing justice to people. “However, some elements are giving an impression that there is confrontation between the executive and judiciary but all this was wrong and did not have any reality,” he said.

The prime minister said there was no confrontation between the government and judiciary as all such things existed only in the minds of some individuals.

“Our ministers were appearing before the courts and if needed we will continue to give due respect to the courts,” he said and added that, “we are not afraid of the courts because we have no skeletons in our cupboards. We always respect the law as we are not law breakers but legislators.”

The prime minister reminded that Zulifikar Ali Bhutto appeared before the court though he did not have any confidence in it. “Nusrat Bhutto and Benazir Bhutto faced the army courts while President Asif Ali Zardari and other leadership of the party appeared before the courts. I myself appeared before the courts but my first order after being elected as the prime minister was to release the judges from detention,” he said.

The prime minister said the parliament is working smoothly and it has done a marvelous job by undoing unconstitutional steps of dictators and restoring the Constitution in its true spirit. “The supremacy of the parliament is must for the democratic society and all the national as well as political issue should only be resolved in the parliament,” he added.

He said the federal government has recently announced a federal budget and the provincial government had also announced their budgets. “These budgets reflect the issue that the country was facing such as terrorism, price hike, unemployment and load shedding and the federal government was working hard to face these challenges,” he said. He said the government has taken some unpopular decisions to put the economy on the right path.

Pakistan not to follow US curbs on Iran: PM

 

[PakSher]

Pakistan needs energy and this is in our national interest to pursue the gas pipeline. We may not agree with Iran on every foreign policy issue, but that should not impact the average Pakistani or our business relations with Iran.

Good project for Pakistan's future.