Iran nuclear deal: Saudi Arabia warns it will strike out on its own

[Baradar]

You stick to TUrkmenistan, Afghanistan, Azerbaijan etc. and your neighbors and we stick to the Arab world and wider Middle East.

Thanks but no thanks. We will stick to both, and no Afro-Arab like Bandar Bush will stop us.

Those remains in Middle East belong to Indo-Europeans, but not Proto-Indo-Europeans.

What do you mean?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

What do you mean?

The Proto-Indo-European people originated from South Russia, and they were nomadic people.

Some groups of these nomadic people have conquered the early semitic people from Middle East, then intermarried with them, and eventually became the people as known as Iranians.

 

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Elamite language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia , Elam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So this link proves what al-Hasani just said: Persians have no relationship to Elamites.

 

[al-Hasani]

The earliest Indo-Europeans were nomadic people, but the late Indo-Europeans such as Persians have heavily absorbed the semitic civilization from West Asia/Middle East (pre-Arabic semitic people).

The early Indo-European people with their superior warfare system has conquered and absorbed those West Asians and became the people we known as Persians.

Correct. The origin of Indo-Iranians is found in what is now the Kazakh Steppe/Euroasian Steppe and most of them were nomadic like all cultures originally. Very few of them were settled. Not until they reached the Iranian plateau and encountered the remains of the Elamites and the Semites did they settle. For example even Cyrus the Great was heavily influenced by us Semites. He made Aramaic a Semitic language the official language, copied the rule of governance from the Semitic Assyrians, the symbols etc.

Andronovo culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read more here above.

At that time most if not all Semitic people were already settled. The only reason why certain Arabs - the Bedouins were force to become nomads (Bedouins) was because of the sudden climatic changes in parts of what is today Eastern Syria, Western (what is now the Syrian Desert) and Southern Iraq and Northern and Southern Arabian Peninsula.

Just 6000-8000 years ago the Arabian Peninsula was a lush and tropical place. Today only pockets of that once tropical fauna remains in the Southern provinces of KSA, Hijaz, Yemen (which is fertile land to this day) and Oman. No other place in the Middle East is tropical as those places. Banana, tea, coffee (which was first cultivated there and drunk - Sufi monasteries in 15th century Yemen) etc. is still cultivated there to this day. The monsoon rains are also affecting those areas.

This is why you have World UNESCO Heritage sites and wonderful architecture buildings in Mada'in Saleh in KSA, Petra in Jordan in valleys in desert/steppe like (although mountainous and rocky "desert" = Wadi Rum) today. Because of the climatic changes. No nomadic civilization on earth could make such marvels under such climatic conditions hence why you are unable to see such things anywhere on earth where the climatic conditions are not for that.

Anyway today step by step, after the desertification work etc. is being done large parts of Northern KSA are turning back to their origin = greenery.

No other place have such climate in the Middle East. The closest are parts of the coastal regions of Iran along the Caspian Sea.

 

[Baradar]

The Proto-Indo-European people originated from South Russia, and they were nomadic people.

No, not all of them. Didnt you watch that vid?

Some groups of these nomadic people have conquered the early semitic people from Middle East, then intermarried with them, and eventually became the people as known as Iranians.

We still differ from Semites!

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

Now stick to topic.
@Yzd Khalifa
Hey, what do Saudis think of King Faisal? Can't say i know that much about him, but i know that during his reign, Iran and the Saudis had pretty good relations.

Faisal is regarded by many people across the globe and the Muslim world - not just Saudi - to be one of the greatest Muslim leader of modern times.

No, Anaoshak, you are wrong if you think we only had good relations with Iran during Faisal's days. As a matter of fact, we had had excellent relations with the Kingdom of Iran until the revolt.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

No, not all of them. Didnt you watch that vid?

Some groups of these nomadic people have conquered the early semitic people from Middle East, then intermarried with them, and eventually became the people as known as Iranians.

We still differ from Semites![/quote]

You have absorbed a lot from the Semites, why deny this fact? Persia was a great empire, but every great empire does have the open mind policy to absord the best ideas from the foreign culture.

You don't like Arabs, but why dislike the Semites? Many of your Shia allies are also Semites.

 

[Baradar]

Petra? Look at the place. Mostly Roman style of architecture.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Correct. The origin of Indo-Iranians is found in what is now the Kazakh Steppe/Euroasian Steppe and most of them were nomadic like all cultures originally. Very few of them were settled. Not until they reached the Iranian plateau and encountered the remains of the Elamites and the Semites did they settle. For example even Cyrus the Great was heavily influenced by us Semites. He made Aramaic a Semitic language the official language, copied the rule of governance from the Semitic Assyrians, the symbols etc.

Andronovo culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read more here above.

At that time most if not all Semitic people were already settled. The only reason why certain Arabs - the Bedouins were force to become nomads (Bedouins) was because of the sudden climatic changes in parts of what is today Eastern Syria, Western (what is now the Syrian Desert) and Southern Iraq and Northern and Southern Arabian Peninsula.

Just 6000-8000 years ago the Arabian Peninsula was a lush and tropical place. Today only pockets of that once tropical fauna remains in the Southern provinces of KSA, Hijaz, Yemen (which is fertile land to this day) and Oman. No other place in the Middle East is tropical as those places. Banana, tea, coffee (which was first cultivated there and drunk - Sufi monasteries in 15th century Yemen) etc. is still cultivated there to this day. The monsoon rains are also affecting those areas.

This is why you have World UNESCO Heritage sites and wonderful architecture buildings in Mada'in Saleh in KSA, Petra in Jordan in valleys in desert/steppe like (although mountainous and rocky "desert" = Wadi Rum) today. Because of the climatic changes. No nomadic civilization on earth could make such marvels under such climatic conditions hence why you are unable to see such things anywhere on earth where the climatic conditions are not for that.

Anyway today step by step, after the desertification work etc. is being done large parts of Northern KSA are turning back to their origin = greenery.

No other place have such climate in the Middle East. The closest are parts of the coastal regions of Iran along the Caspian Sea.

Andronovo first absorbed the BMAC culture, which was the Middle Eastern culture extended into central-west Asia.

Bactria–Margiana Archaeological Complex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[al-Hasani]

No, not all of them. Didnt you watch that vid?



We still differ from Semites!

Actually genetic test between Iranians and Arabs don't differ that much. You are heavily influenced genetically by Semitic people. Look at the genetic tests.

For example you differ greatly from the more "pure" Indo-Iranians in Afghanistan, Tajikistan etc. Only makes sense since those areas were always scarcely populated and people who live in the mountains are always more isolated.

Linguistics is only one part of the story. Genetic/origins is a different one completely and altogether.


Besides even if you don't believe that then it it is a FACT that all humans that migrated to Iran first lived/migrated from the Arabian Peninsula. They did not go from Africa to what is now current day Iran directly.

In molecular evolution, a haplogroup (from the Greek: ἁπλούς, haploûs, "onefold, single, simple") is a group of similarhaplotypes that share a common ancestor having the same single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) mutation in all haplotypes.Haplogroup J-P209[Phylogenetics 1] is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. Its history since the Iron Age has been tied to the great events and migrations in this area and in particular to the Semitic people.

J-P209 is divided into two main subclades (branches) J-M267 and J-M172.

Haplogroup J-P209 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is why you have tons of Iranians that could pass as Arabs and Semites without a problem.

I would struggle to find Afghans that could on the other hand….. Just saying.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Actually genetic test between Iranians and Arabs don't differ that much. You are heavily influenced genetically by Semitic people. Look at the genetic tests.

For example you differ greatly from the more "pure" Indo-Iranians in Afghanistan, Tajikistan etc. Only makes sense since those areas were always scarcely populated and people who live in the mountains are always more isolated.

Linguistics is only one part of the story. Genetic/origins is a different one completely and altogether.


Besides even if you don't believe that then it it is a FACT that all humans that migrated to Iran first lived/migrated from the Arabian Peninsula. They did not go from Africa to what is now current day Iran directly.



Haplogroup J-P209 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is why you have tons of Iranians that could pass as Arabs and Semites without a problem.

I would struggle to find Afghans that could on the other hand….. Just saying.

Genetically speaking, there is no more pure Iranic left.

The western Iranic people have been heavily mixed with the semites, while the eastern Iranic people have been absorbed by Slavs and Turks.

 

[al-Hasani]

Andronovo first absorbed the BMAC culture, which was the Middle Eastern culture extended into central-west Asia.

Bactria–Margiana Archaeological Complex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Andronovo has nothing to do with the Middle East. The Middle East was the first region in the world that became settled and were farming was developed and advanced agriculture was practiced outside the rivers in China. Central Asia - the homeland of the Indo-Iranian peoples was dominated by little population density (to this day Central Asia is scarcely populated given the size), a nomadic culture hence the chariot, horse etc. Very few settlements have also been left if you take a look at that area.

Maybe I misunderstood you there. So sorry in advance.

Genetically speaking, there is no more pure Iranic left.

The western Iranic people have been heavily mixed with the semites, while the eastern Iranic people have been absorbed by Slavs and Turks.

I know that there is nothing pure. But some people here belief that to be the case despite genetics having long debunked that theory. Even whole haplogroups have different subgroups etc with distinct markers. Anyway a haplogroup does not say much since all haplgroups are related just like all humans and we all go back to the oldest haplogroups. So even talking about a distinct race etc. is stupid. SInce there is no distinct race. Only the human race. That happens to differ in appearance and skin color. That is all.

Langauges are a a human invention. They come and go and get influenced by others etc. Can anyone tell me which languages people in the ancient Middle East talked 20.000 years ago? Because I surely cannot. Or just 15.000 years ago. Does that mean that there was no language or no people? Of course not. We just don't know, LOL.

And how old is the human race? 10-20 times that age. If we choose to believe science that is.

 

[Baradar]

The Proto-Indo-European people originated from South Russia, and they were nomadic people.

Some groups of these nomadic people have conquered the early semitic people from Middle East, then intermarried with them, and eventually became the people as known as Iranians.

Genetically there is no pure people on earth. And it were the Slavs that were influenced by Iranians. Some still claim Scythians and Sarmatians!

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Genetically there is no pure people on earth. And it were the Slavs that were influenced by Iranians. Some still claim Scythians and Sarmatians!

Scythians have been absorbed by Russians and Ukrainians, while Sarmatians have been absorbed by Poles, they indeed looked pretty close to Slavs.

 

[Anaoshak]

Faisal is regarded by many people across the globe and the Muslim world - not just Saudi - to be one of the greatest Muslim leader of modern times.

No, Anaoshak, you are wrong if you think we only had good relations with Iran during Faisal's days. As a matter of fact, we had had excellent relations with the Kingdom of Iran until the revolt.

Thanks man, finally someone sticking to topic haha

Yeah, I'm sure they had it before too. But what i read was that Relations never were as good as they were during King Faisals time. (Referring to Saudi Arabia-Iranian Relations, not Arabian-Iranian Relations)

UAE's foreign minister just visited Iran, what do you think about that?
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