Iran is preparing to buy new weapons-BBC

[BordoEnes]

The ban's effectiveness entirely depends on the goodwill of the US, regardless if the sanctions are lifted. Its not uncommon that the US blocks all kinds of military sales by pressuring other countries even though there are no sanctions in place or even remotely any animosity.

Your best bet is Russian and Chinese weapons and joint ventures. Any effort or purchase should contribute to Iran's military industrial complex and industry, if it wishes to maintain independence in terms of technology and weaponry. Your air fleet is... lacking to put it mildly.

 

[TheImmortal]

The ban's effectiveness entirely depends on the goodwill of the US, regardless if the sanctions are lifted. Its not uncommon that the US blocks all kinds of military sales by pressuring other countries even though there are no sanctions in place or even remotely any animosity.

Your best bet is Russian and Chinese weapons and joint ventures. Any effort or purchase should contribute to Iran's military industrial complex and industry, if it wishes to maintain independence in terms of technology and weaponry. Your air fleet is... lacking to put it mildly.

Even in the 90’s, US put pressure on russia and China to not supply Iran with advanced weapon systems.

Yes, some weapons were sold. But a look at how many were voided or stopped, shows you that long after Embargo gets lifted, US will continue to pressure all countries.

In US eyes it’s quite simple...if Iran is this much of a Menace now making them hard to contain, then what will allowing it to expand, modernize, and enhance its war machine do?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

trump imposed new tariffs on china...

their frenemy mutually beneficial relationship is coming to an end. they are becoming openly hostile to each other.. IF this likely route continues, the US and China will eventually decouple from each other economically and the US will lose any trade leverage it has over china to pressure them into boycotting Iran.

that might open up the floodgates of Chinese weaponry in the future. It would send shockwaves in Washington if Iran and China signed some sort of fighter contract.

That's true, it is just a matter of time that China's economy tie being completely decoupled from the US.

China will just build more economic ties with Iran in the near future as well as the arm deal.

 

[BordoEnes]

Even in the 90’s, US put pressure on russia and China to not supply Iran with advanced weapon systems.

Yes, some weapons were sold. But a look at how many were voided or stopped, shows you that long after Embargo gets lifted, US will continue to pressure all countries.

In US eyes it’s quite simple...if Iran is this much of a Menace now making them hard to contain, then what will allowing it to expand, modernize, and enhance its war machine do?

I have no doubt in my mind the US has such an ongoing policy. After all, if you have a similar one going for your own NATO ally Turkey then i can only imagine the strings and political pressure the US must be exercising to prevent Iran from getting any weapons.

Either way, the Russia and China then are vastly different beast then they are at the present. Its easy to pressure a country that just recently collapsed and iss experimenting with Capitalism and a poverty stricken dirt poor country, but that is far from the case. Russia sold weapons to Turkey, it will and can sell weapons to Iran. Simple.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

Rouhani guy must be naive if he thinks sanctions will be lifted, and if they're lifted, western powers would sell or allow other countries to sell meaningful weapons to Iran.

IMHO, money that would be used to buy foreign-made weapons should be spent locally. There could be joint projects with Russia, Belarus, China, etc; however, in the current standoff, it is the locally developed weapons that kept Iran's enemies at bay. Therefore, resources should be devoted to local arms industry. Iran has enough engineers and their universities are continually producing young engineers who will fill the gap of the older generation. Commit the resources to them and, given time, they'll outpace their adversaries.

 

[Sineva]

Rouhani guy must be naive if he thinks sanctions will be lifted, and if they're lifted, western powers would sell or allow other countries to sell meaningful weapons to Iran.

IMHO, money that would be used to buy foreign-made weapons should be spent locally. There could be joint projects with Russia, Belarus, China, etc; however, in the current standoff, it is the locally developed weapons that kept Iran's enemies at bay. Therefore, resources should be devoted to local arms industry. Iran has enough engineers and their universities are continually producing young engineers who will fill the gap of the older generation. Commit the resources to them and, given time, they'll outpace their adversaries.

Well said sir,well said!.

 

[WinterNights]

Iran does not need to spend billions like these useless Persian gulf arabs on buying hardware. The only area Iran needs aid in so it can quickly develop is in airforce, even there, don't expect any major purchases. Iran will most likely get technology import to help it build it's own jets.

 

[Battle of Waterloo]

42 Su-57 or 60 Su-30, nothing else, nothing more.

Su-57 doesn't even have its planned engine yet. Russia itself ordered only 12 so far, with the first 2 due to come into service this year to undergo tests (still!). So imagine how long it would take for Russia to build then deliver 42 of them to Iran? 2025? That's ignoring the political opposition to this from strong lobbies in US and Israel.

60 su-30 with full technology transfer + local production would thus be a better (and more realistic) option in my opinion.

 

[PeeD]

Russians don't do full tech. transfer, especially not on the engines.

Your delivery estimate of 2025 is roughly right, more so if Iran requests a twin seater. 2022 at the earliest.
In total Russians are unlikely to deliver the Su-57 to Iran anyway.

The Su-30 is significantly less capable but a smaller force of 60 would be helpful for interception tasks. Russians basically would have to deliver a S-30 even in face of U.S and Israeli pressure, otherwise friendly relations would be in doubt. Mig-31 would be a better choice but it is out of production and Russians would not deliver it anyway.

Tank engines would be another requirements but it's at subsystem level.

 

[arashkamangir]

Russians don't do full tech. transfer, especially not on the engines.

Your delivery estimate of 2025 is roughly right, more so if Iran requests a twin seater. 2022 at the earliest.
In total Russians are unlikely to deliver the Su-57 to Iran anyway.

The Su-30 is significantly less capable but a smaller force of 60 would be helpful for interception tasks. Russians basically would have to deliver a S-30 even in face of U.S and Israeli pressure, otherwise friendly relations would be in doubt. Mig-31 would be a better choice but it is out of production and Russians would not deliver it anyway.

Tank engines would be another requirements but it's at subsystem level.

I also prefer to get Mig 31 if options are available. Its a fantastic platform for so many other things including hyper sonic glide weapons, anti satellite missiles, micro satellite Launching, Ballistic Missile interception, heavy long range stand off weapons ... After all, its a ####ing Mach 3 high altitude plane. In addition those engines will push Iran's engine capabilities way forward.

 

[Hack-Hook]

I also prefer to get Mig 31 if options are available. Its a fantastic platform for so many other things including hyper sonic glide weapons, anti satellite missiles, micro satellite Launching, Ballistic Missile interception, heavy long range stand off weapons ... After all, its a ####ing Mach 3 high altitude plane. In addition those engines will push Iran's engine capabilities way forward.

It also fantastically lack maneuverability. And fantastically hard to flight at low altitude.

 

[Battle of Waterloo]

Russians don't do full tech. transfer, especially not on the engines.

Your delivery estimate of 2025 is roughly right, more so if Iran requests a twin seater. 2022 at the earliest.
In total Russians are unlikely to deliver the Su-57 to Iran anyway.

The Su-30 is significantly less capable but a smaller force of 60 would be helpful for interception tasks. Russians basically would have to deliver a S-30 even in face of U.S and Israeli pressure, otherwise friendly relations would be in doubt. Mig-31 would be a better choice but it is out of production and Russians would not deliver it anyway.

Tank engines would be another requirements but it's at subsystem level.

From what I have read the Mig-31 is extremely expensive.

If full ToT is not possible then get as close to that as possible to access those engines and have a strong starting point for reverse engineering.

When Iran has to deter a US/Israeli air assault I don't think tanks are a big priority. APC maybe, but if Iran can build Toofan (and rumoured 6x6 addition) then why not a APC?