Iran is preparing to buy new weapons-BBC

[SOHEIL]

Su-30

 

[zartosht]

trump imposed new tariffs on china...

their frenemy mutually beneficial relationship is coming to an end. they are becoming openly hostile to each other.. IF this likely route continues, the US and China will eventually decouple from each other economically and the US will lose any trade leverage it has over china to pressure them into boycotting Iran.

that might open up the floodgates of Chinese weaponry in the future. It would send shockwaves in Washington if Iran and China signed some sort of fighter contract.

I honestly doubt the Russian path will bear fruit. as much as id love some heavy Russian fighters to join the IRIAF. the way they treated the s-300 deal and bueshehr nuclear plant, probably made Iran extremely reluctant to do any long term military deals with Russia.
Russia has a history of treating its relations with Iran as a bargaining chip against the west. and finally Russia sees Iran as somewhat of a rival in its region. Its unlikely they see a powerful Iran dominating the middle east to be in their long term interest.

its just not in Russian interest to give Iran the capability of potentially copying their fighters, strenghthen a potential rival, and endure inevitable fury and pushback from the zio-american alliance for a deal worth a few billion dollars. just not worth it if you put yourself in Russian shoes.

 

[yavar]

Iran President Hojjatoleslam Hassan Rouhani: arms embargo sanctions will be lifted by year 2020 under UNSC2231, we can buy and sell weapons

 

[TheImmortal]

Iran has little money to buy foreign weapons.

It’s under the worst sanctions and oil export is at all time lows.

Iran’s “laundry list” of arms well exceeds 100 billion dollars.

Including:

Complete overhaul of Air Force:
-Fighter jets
-military cargo jets
-AWACS
-modern heavy attack helicopters
-modern transport helicopters
-refueling planes
-modern advanced trainers

Navy:
-Modern Destroyers (in this case Iran needs them more to understand “modern” technology and designs for its own fleet production).
-Modern Cruisers
-Modern transport ships
-Modern Heavy submarines
-Modern frigates to support Mowj series
-Possible Helicopter/UAV/UCAV carrier

Air defense
-S500 to reinforce S300 (a plus rather than a necessity)
-EW and ECW systems

Army
-Next gen Battle tank
-Infantry fighting vehicles
-Armoured Personnel carriers

Other
-parts/components/raw materials/engines/etc to support Iran’s own domestic projects across various fields

 

[Hack-Hook]

Iran has little money to buy foreign weapons.

It’s under the worst sanctions and oil export is at all time lows.

Iran’s “laundry list” of arms well exceeds 100 billion dollars.

Including:

Complete overhaul of Air Force:
-Fighter jets
-military cargo jets
-AWACS
-modern heavy attack helicopters
-modern transport helicopters
-refueling planes
-modern advanced trainers

Navy:
-Modern Destroyers (in this case Iran needs them more to understand “modern” technology and designs for its own fleet production).
-Modern Cruisers
-Modern transport ships
-Modern Heavy submarines
-Modern frigates to support Mowj series
-Possible Helicopter/UAV/UCAV carrier

Air defense
-S500 to reinforce S300 (a plus rather than a necessity)
-EW and ECW systems

Army
-Next gen Battle tank
-Infantry fighting vehicles
-Armoured Personnel carriers

Other
-parts/components/raw materials/engines/etc to support Iran’s own domestic projects across various fields

Non will be bought .first parliament passed a law not to buy any fighter jet at the time of khatami if I'm not wrong and the navy have project to produce the equipment mentioned here .
About s-500 ,well I don't believe iran will buy any long rage airdefence any more .

w.well about parts there are many subsystem that we can't produce . (thanks to some decision makers in around 10_12 years ago)

 

[Myself]

Su-30

Waste of money and resources. Iran needs dedicated point-defence and air superiority fighters, not the multi role ones. The highest priority MUST be AWACS, AWACS, and AWACS. After AWACS, they can consider MiG 35 and/or SU 35/57.
Once the air superiority is established, the upgraded Phantoms and Fencers can deliver the appropriate weapons to ‘valuable’ targets up to 500 km from the borders, and Fateh-class launchers can come off their shelters and fire their pin point accurate missiles at ‘invaluable’ targets up to 1,000 km far from the borders. For farther targets, no aircraft can really be more effective than cruise and ballistic missiles.
For other small and close support missions drones and upgraded Tigers/Azarakhsh can get the job done.
It is almost 4 decades that a real air superiority has not been established without contribution of AWACS in modern wars, though.

 

[Arminkh]

trump imposed new tariffs on china...

their frenemy mutually beneficial relationship is coming to an end. they are becoming openly hostile to each other.. IF this likely route continues, the US and China will eventually decouple from each other economically and the US will lose any trade leverage it has over china to pressure them into boycotting Iran.

that might open up the floodgates of Chinese weaponry in the future. It would send shockwaves in Washington if Iran and China signed some sort of fighter contract.

I honestly doubt the Russian path will bear fruit. as much as id love some heavy Russian fighters to join the IRIAF. the way they treated the s-300 deal and bueshehr nuclear plant, probably made Iran extremely reluctant to do any long term military deals with Russia.
Russia has a history of treating its relations with Iran as a bargaining chip against the west. and finally Russia sees Iran as somewhat of a rival in its region. Its unlikely they see a powerful Iran dominating the middle east to be in their long term interest.

its just not in Russian interest to give Iran the capability of potentially copying their fighters, strenghthen a potential rival, and endure inevitable fury and pushback from the zio-american alliance for a deal worth a few billion dollars. just not worth it if you put yourself in Russian shoes.

They can't stop that eventuality. They, specially Putin, are rational thinkers.

I think they have reached the conclusion that Iran will be the dominant power of middle east. And they are moving towards a real alliance. The recent developments and joint naval wargame are clues.

After all, how many countries out there have the balls to challenge the current status quo? Russia doesn't have tons of options when it comes to allies.

 

[925boy]

You technically manufactrued every imaginable weapon what else you need

stop trolling. thnx

Invest in turkey pakistan malaysia join ventures

Iran should not invest heavily in defense with Pakistan. if you ask me why you will hear the harsh truth, then some PDF member/"expert" will then mark my post "negative" to censor the truth. smfh.

Nobody [West] will sell even military grade condoms to Iran. Neer mind other stuff. What you guys been smoking?

stop trolling.

Its easy to identify the Iran hating Pakistanis- whenever something good happens to Iran or is about to happen to Iran, they will either make comments that sound like obvious hater behavior, or they will go silent and ghost. Some of the former is happening on this thread. all good though.

Russia/China can sell fighter jets to Iran, which it needs really badly right now.

Agreed. But i sense Russia and CHina will offer "take it or leave it "deals to Iran.

Yes, I just want to pivot off your point to say Turkey has been a U.S. ally, part of Nato but the CIA tried to overthrow their government just a couple of years ago...when that failed, they went after the Turkish currency to hurt them economically,these are the kind of missteps that makes the USA the bad guy in people's eye. The world is getting fed up with this kind of actions. Europe is distancing themselves from the U.S., China is setting itself up to counter the U.S. in every aspect. They've even managed to alienate Canada and Mexico....this is so retarded. In the world of global politics and strategy they get a solid "F"......you couldn't f*ck things up this bad even if you tried. Iran's revolution and hostage taking in 1979 led to the rise of Reagan and the Neocons, the same people that strted the disastrous wars in the M.E. which led to diminishing U.S.'s power and reach. They lost more than just the war, they lost trillions and they showed the world even a superpower can bleed. Now, with using the Dollar as a weapon in the Iran nuke deal their action has given rise to the next big downgrade in U.S.'s power INSTEX.....this mechanism is just in it's infancy but if this ever matures into a real thing....then the reign of the almighty dollar may be coming to an end....if that happens the power and prestige of the USA will take much more damage than the 2 Gulf wars caused it. Ironic how Iran has caused this superpower to change it's course to a course that will cause it great harm.

Bro, BIG UPS to you on this post. 99% accurate and truthful. You've summarized the truth for us IMO. Living and looking rich doesnt = living in peace or happiness.

 

[PeeD]

42 Su-57 or 60 Su-30, nothing else, nothing more.

 

[925boy]

dassault rafale, jas 39 gripens and mirage 2000s.
.

I think it would be wise to believe the EU wont sell these fighter jets to Iran. Tbh, i dont blame them. These sales would militarily "empower"an Iran that is already too empowered in EU + US's opinion. They only offer fighter jets to countries that are either too weak to be a threat to them militarily and politically(KSA, UAE, Bahrain for ex), OR countries that have a signed agreement or have formal understanding that explains that the basis for them receiving the high tech weapons is them keeping peace with US. (and possibly other US allies)- -(best example is Egypt).

 

[Mithridates]

42 Su-57 or 60 Su-30, nothing else, nothing more.

it's more than that.

I think it would be wise to believe the EU wont sell these fighter jets to Iran. Tbh, i dont blame them. These sales would militarily "empower"an Iran that is already too empowered in EU + US's opinion. They only offer fighter jets to countries that are either too weak to be a threat to them militarily and politically(KSA, UAE, Bahrain for ex), OR countries that have a signed agreement or have formal understanding that explains that the basis for them receiving the high tech weapons is them keeping peace with US. (and possibly other US allies)- -(best example is Egypt).

i know, i was baiting some trolls and making some good moments by reading their comments.

 

[Imran Khan]

day dreaming

 

[TruthHurtz]

Nothing will happen, there's in no point in over-emphasizing conventional capabilities over asymmetric ones that Iran has mastered. Conventional abilities must be secondary in Iran's military doctrine and spending tens of billions to satisfy that when it can be dispatched by a superior conventional force in less than a week is a gross misapplication of money which Iran just does not have.

Don't turn into Gulfies.

 

[Myself]

Nothing will happen, there's in no point in over-emphasizing conventional capabilities over asymmetric ones that Iran has mastered. Conventional abilities must be secondary in Iran's military doctrine and spending tens of billions to satisfy that when it can be dispatched by a superior conventional force in less than a week is a gross misapplication of money which Iran just does not have.

Don't turn into Gulfies.

None of these conventional and asymmetric doctrines without air superiority is gonna work! Simple as it is! The best example Syria!

 

[TheImmortal]

Nothing will happen, there's in no point in over-emphasizing conventional capabilities over asymmetric ones that Iran has mastered. Conventional abilities must be secondary in Iran's military doctrine and spending tens of billions to satisfy that when it can be dispatched by a superior conventional force in less than a week is a gross misapplication of money which Iran just does not have.

Don't turn into Gulfies.

Conventional capabilities can have just as much deterrence as asymmetrical.

By your logic Iran should never have spent “billions” in air defense systems, radars, and EW systems (a conventional weapon).

Iran cannot go into the future, still using JUST asymmetric tactics.

Nobody here is advocating for a wasteful high tech toy military, but you also can’t keep sailing with ships made in the 1960’s and planes made in the 1960’s when the world is entering 2020.