Iran helps Venezuela in its time of need

[Hack-Hook]

Nowadays the MKO has no real ideological basis anymore, seeing how it has long devolved into an isolated, closed-off personality cult that functions as a lobbying, spying and propaganda tool against the Islamic Republic in the service of western, zionist and, as of late, Saudi intelligence agencies.

They have left one ideology. Blindly follow the top echelon of the cult and worship Rajavi .

 

[jamahir]

One last comment on this because I think sahureka2 is right and the present discussion is rather off topic. Communist formations weren't treated so badly after the Islamic Revolution in Iran until they either took up arms against the state in 1982 (Fadayane Khalgh Organization), plotted with a foreign power to subvert the ruling political order in 1984-1985 (Tudeh, Iran's traditional pro-Soviet communist party) or tried to impose "ethno"-separatist types of agendas (Komoleh in Kurdish-speaking area, Khalghe Torkaman in the northeast etc). The Tudeh Party for instance was tolerated for at least five years until subversive activities it took part in were uncovered, despite the fact that it was pro-Soviet and that the USSR was one of the main backers of Saddam's Iraq which Iran was then at war with. I think they would at times be barred from running at elections, but other than that communists were left alone until, as said, they themselves turned against the Islamic Revolution.

Furthermore as mohsen reminded above, Iran's Islamic revolutionaries have also stressed social justice and they also stand up for the economically downtrodden, not unlike secular socialists, even though they differ from the latter regarding the question of religion and even though these are two distinct political traditions with different types of outlooks and ideologies.

No, it's unrelated. Tudeh used to be relatively strong and popular in the aftermath of WW2 and during the 1950's. They were a significant player in the era of Prime Minister Mossadegh, the nationalization of Iran's oil industry and the 1953 CIA coup against Iran's democratically elected government. But then they declined and were superseded by new communist parties which were not necessarily linked in the same direct way to Moscow, such as Fadayane Khalgh and so on, some of which engaged in armed struggle against the shah's regime. The MKO / MEK is classified on the left but not bona fide communist: it developed a synthesis between Islamism and leftism / marxism. Nowadays the MKO has no real ideological basis anymore, seeing how it has long devolved into an isolated, closed-off personality cult that functions as a lobbying, spying and propaganda tool against the Islamic Republic in the service of western, zionist and, as of late, Saudi intelligence agencies.

[ To @sahureka2, this is my last post on this thread ]

Thanks for the info, though I have my own take on a few bits on what you wrote and I do believe that post-1979 Iran and Saddam's Iraq should have become allies because they were generally in the opposite camp to the Western governments.

And please do read this thread of mine from 2016 whose OP is a long article by the Pakistani journalist Nadeem Paracha and chronicles Socialist and Communist activism among Muslims from the early 1900s onward.

 

[QWECXZ]

[ To @sahureka2, this is my last post on this thread ]

Thanks for the info, though I have my own take on a few bits on what you wrote and I do believe that post-1979 and Saddam's Iraq should have become allies because they were generally in the opposite camp to the Western governments.

And please do read this thread of mine from 2016 whose OP is a long article by the Pakistani journalist Nadeem Paracha and chronicles Socialist and Communist activism among Muslims from the early 1900s onward.

Yeah. Similarly, Jews and Hitler should've become allies because they were generally in the opposite camp to the Soviets.

 

[jamahir]

Yeah. Similarly, Jews and Hitler should've become allies because they were generally in the opposite camp to the Soviets.

What objection do you have with the Socialist system in Saddam's Iraq ?

 

[QWECXZ]

What objection do you have with the Socialist system in Saddam's Iraq ?

Hmm. Let me see... That's a tough one... The fact that Saddam said God made a mistake when creating Jews and Persians?

 

[jamahir]

Hmm. Let me see... That's a tough one... The fact that Saddam said God made a mistake when creating Jews and Persians?

I have read that statement ( it includes flies too ) in a book written by an American and is anti-Saddam. But is that a real statement ?

Also, if Saddam really hated Iranians why did he support the MEK which was composed of Iranians ?

 

[QWECXZ]

I have read that statement ( it includes flies too ) in a book written by an American and is anti-Saddam. But is that a real statement ?

Also, if Saddam really hated Iranians why did he support the MEK which was composed of Iranians ?

Yes. That's a real statement.

Wow.. Another tough question... Let me think.... Maybe because the MEK offered to help Saddam in their war with Iran and their cultist fools even attacked Iran in Operation Mersad. Also, maybe because they helped Saddam in the Anfal Camp against Kurdish civilians and militias?

Why do you insist to make yourself look like a fool now? Do you enjoy it when others think you're a fool?

 

[jamahir]

My very last post here. Or you can take it to 'Whatever' thread.

Wow.. Another tough question... Let me think.... Maybe because the MEK offered to help Saddam in their war with Iran and their cultist fools even attacked Iran in Operation Mersad.

What is Iran ? MEK was Iran too. The Libyan revolution of 1969 and the Russian revolution 50 years before were also people from those countries countering people from their own country.

Also, maybe because they helped Saddam in the Anfal Camp against Kurdish civilians and militias?

Isn't the Iran government also fighting the Kurds ?

Why do you insist to make yourself look like a fool now? Do you enjoy it when others think you're a fool?

Yes, I am the village fool here. Enjoy.

 

[QWECXZ]

My very last post here. Or you can take it to 'Whatever' thread.

What is Iran ? MEK was Iran too. The Libyan revolution of 1969 and the Russian revolution 50 years before were also people from those countries countering people from their own country.

Isn't the Iran government also fighting the Kurds ?

Yes, I am the village fool here. Enjoy.

Yeah. It's better to be your last post because your ridiculous nonsense is really bringing down the quality of the forum.

What is Iran?
Iran (Persian: ایران‎ Irān [ʔiːˈɾɒːn] (listen)), also called Persia,[11] and officially the Islamic Republic of Iran,[a] is a country in Western Asia. It is bordered to the northwest by Armenia and Azerbaijan, to the north by the Caspian Sea, to the northeast by Turkmenistan, to the east by Afghanistan, to the southeast by Pakistan, to the south by the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman, and to the west by Turkey and Iraq. Iran covers an area of 1,648,195 km2 (636,372 sq mi), with a population of 85 million.[12] It is the second-largest country in the Middle East (after Saudi Arabia), the sixth-largest entirely in Asia, and its capital and largest city is Tehran.

Iran is not fighting Kurdish civilians inside our country. There has never been an incident like the Anfal Campaign against Kurdish people in Iran. And we have never used chemical weapons on our civilians like Saddam's extensive use of blister, blood and nerve agents in the Anfal Campaign.

Indeed. Glad that you figured it out on your own.

 

[SalarHaqq]

I have read that statement ( it includes flies too ) in a book written by an American and is anti-Saddam. But is that a real statement ?

Also, if Saddam really hated Iranians why did he support the MEK which was composed of Iranians ?

The statement is real. Also if I remember correctly, when the Baathist Iraqi regime executed a journalist of partly Iranian origin, one of Saddam's sons declared that this person ought to have been executed twice: once for being a spy and once more for being Iranian... You might also want to note that Saddam proceeded to expelling tens of thousands of Iraqis with Iranian ancestry (Persian-speakers as well as Faylis, which are basically a Lori-speaking group). Nearly the entire Iranian-Iraqi community was forced into exile in this way.

This is precisely why the MKO are practically unanimously considered as traitors by Iranians across the board regardless of political leanings, because they put themselves in the service of such a hostile regime. Due to their treason during the Iran-Iraq war, when they sided with the enemy, the MKO achieved to completely cut themselves off from Iranian society for all times - except for some fringes connected to them through family ties.

So yes, MKO are Iranians but also traitors... not just to the Islamic Republic but also to Iran herself for supporting a foreign aggressor which intended to illegally annex Iranian land and was holding an extremely anti-Iranian, oftentimes racist discourse.

You might agree that just because an organization is nominally on the left, it doesn't necessarily imply that it is respectable or that we should endorse it. The MKO for instance definitely went crazy a couple of years after the Islamic Revolution. And much of it has to do with the way they were organized internally (in a strongly hierarchical manner), coupled with the fact that their leaders took the worst decisions possible in the early 80's. And thus they definitely condemned themselves. There are also reports about their deceased chief Masoud Rajavi having been among the anonymous shills or turncoats clandestinely recruited by the shah's SAVAK, mentioned only by a code number in internal documents of that intelligence service. Knowing that SAVAK used to be directly linked to and had been co-founded by Mossad, the CIA and MI6.

The MKO terrorist cult, which martyred some 14.000 of their compatriots, often in savage ways (such as burning their victims from head to toe with gas welding torches, torturing them with irons before burying them alive and so on - all these cases are documented by photographic evidence), is a sensitive topic to Iranians. You will hardly ever encounter an MKO sympathizer in an Iranian online community save for the MKO's own websites. Another exception to this rule are MKO online propagandists dissimulating their membership and operating out of the CIA-sponsored camp the US regime set up for them in Albania.

Either way, the opportunism of this organization has been such that it rapidly turned into an asset for French, US, Isra"el"i and now Saudi intelligence. Honestly my friend, having gotten somewhat of a glimpse of your political orientation, I think I can safely say there's no objective reason for you to feel sympathy for the MKO - at least not the MKO of the early to mid-1980's onwards. Else you would not just be alienating every Iranian user on the forum, but also actually be well disposed towards a CIA- and Mossad-handled entity, which I'm sure is something you'd definitely not wish to do.

 

[jamahir]

The statement is real. Also if I remember correctly, when the Baathist Iraqi regime executed a journalist of partly Iranian origin, one of Saddam's sons declared that this person ought to have been executed twice: once for being a spy and once more for being Iranian... You mighty also want to notice that Saddam proceeded to expelling tens of thousands of Iraqis with Iranian ancestry (Persian-speakers as well as Faylis, which are basically a Lori-speaking group). Nearly the entire community was removed from Iraq in this way.

This is precisely why the MKO are practically unanimously considered as traitors by Iranians across the board regardless of political leanings, because they put themselves in the service of such a regime. Due to their treason during the Iran-Iraq war, when they sided with the enemy, the MKO achieved to completely cut themselves off from Iranian society for all times - except for some fringes linked to them through family links.

So yes, MKO members are Iranians but also traitors... not just to the Islamic Republic but also to Iran herself for supporting a foreign aggressor which intended to illegally annex Iranian land and was holding an extremely anti-Iranian, oftentimes racist discourse.

You might agree that just because an organization is nominally on the left, it doesn't imply that it is respectable or that we should endorse it. The MKO for instance definitely went crazy a couple of years after the Islamic Revolution. And much of it has to do with the way they were organized internally (in a strongly hierarchical manner), coupled with the fact that their leader took the worst decisions possible in the early 80's. And thus they definitely condemned themselves.

The MKO terrorist cult, which martyred some 14.000 Iranians, often in savage, "I"SIS-like ways (such as slowly burning their victims from head to toe with gas welding torches, torturing them with irons before burying them alive and so on - all these cases are documented by photographic evidence), is a sensitive topic for Iranians. You will hardly ever encounter an MKO sympathizer in an Iranian online community save for the MKO's own websites. Another exception to this rule are MKO online propagandists dissimulating their membership in the grouplet and operating out of the CIA-sponsored camp the US regime set up for them in Albania.

Either way, the opportunism of this terrorist grouplet has been such that it quickly turned into an asset for French, US, Isra"el"i and now Saudi intelligence. Honestly my friend, having gotten somewhat of a glimpse of your political orientation, there's really no objective reason for you to feel sympathy for the MKO - at the very least not for the MKO of the early to mid-1980's onwards. Else you would not just be alienating every Iranian user on the forum, but also actually supporting a CIA- and Mossad-handled entity, which I'm sure is something you'd definitely not wish to do.

Thanks for the detailed info. I will accept your POV about MKO / MEK.

About the Saddam's son was it Uday, who was known to be cruel ?

 

[SalarHaqq]

Thanks for the detailed info. I will accept your POV about MKO / MEK.

About the Saddam's son was it Uday, who was known to be cruel ?

You're welcome. It probably was Uday. It was a long time ago and I don't remember details, just came across an article in the Iranian press mentioning it.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Thanks for the detailed info. I will accept your POV about MKO / MEK.

About the Saddam's son was it Uday, who was known to be cruel ?

I read your thread by the way, it is interesting. And I find it significant that when it comes to the MKO, Nadeem Paracha stops his historic overview at the early period of the Revolution, ie not delving into what followed (their treason to the homeland during the Iran-Iraq war, and how they finally turned into a NATO, zionist and Saudi tool).

 

[jamahir]

I read your thread by the way, it is interesting. And I find it significant that when it comes to the MKO, Nadeem Paracha stops his historic overview at the early period of the Revolution, ie not delving into what followed (their treason to the homeland during the Iran-Iraq war, and how they finally turned into a NATO, zionist and Saudi tool).

Well, the article is an outline of events. Paracha did not delve into details in other places too except I think for South Asia.

 

[sahureka2]

here is an example of Iran's aid to Venezuela.
Delivery today 9 October of two aircraft to civil flight school.
Although they changed the name of the model they are Iranian products that are assembled in Venezuela.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1446661208732491776