Iran ‘harrassed’ US aircraft carrier in Strait of Hormuz

[925boy]

Unlike the Chinese will, with their carriers, which are solely for coastal defence.

but wars "trap" countries right? can u blame china for being cautious when even the best army in the world gets "tired"of wars against dogged determined enemies?

 

[Sina-1]

Unlike the Chinese will, with their carriers, which are solely for coastal defence.

Not a fair comparison! You can't really compare US active power projection with that of China.

 

[Penguin]

Not a fair comparison! You can't really compare US active power projection with that of China.

Wait untill they have 4-6 carriers and can actually conduct similar power projection operations, and see. There is a tendency (in general) that once military capabilities are in place, they will be used (else the investment in them doesn't pay).

On 7 June 2011, People's Liberation Army Chief of the General Staff Chen Bingde confirmed that China was constructing its own aircraft carrier.
On June 8, 2011, General Chen Bingde made the first public acknowledgement of the ship's [Varyag/Liaoning] refit.
On July 27, 2011, the Chinese Defense Ministry announced it was refitting the vessel for "scientific research, experiment and training".
On 30 July 2011, General Luo Yuan, a senior researcher of the Academy of Military Sciences said China needed at least three aircraft carriers. "If we consider our neighbours, India will have three aircraft carriers by 2014 and Japan will have three carriers by 2014, so I think the number (for China) should not be less than three so we can defend our rights and our maritime interests effectively."
In July 2011, a Chinese official announced that two aircraft carriers were being built at the Jiangnan Shipyard in Shanghai. [one of which probably being Liaoning, which undertook her first sea trials from 10 August 2011 to 15 August 2011 and commissioned into PLAN September 25, 2012]
On 21 May 2012, Taiwan's intelligence chief Tsai Teh-sheng told the Legislative Yuan that the PLA Navy plans to build two carriers, scheduled to start construction in 2013 and 2015 and launch in 2020 and 2022 respectively.
On 24 April 2013, Chinese Rear Admiral Song Xue confirmed that China will build more carriers and these will be larger and will carry more fighter-planes than Liaoning.
On 31 December 2015, a spokesman of the Chinese Ministry of Defense confirmed that China is designing and building its second aircraft carrier.

So, we'll see Liaoning (Type 001), a second carrier based on it but much more 'Sinofied' by design (Type 001A), and at least 1 but probably 2 larger ships (Type 002, plus maybe a 002A) and maybe more (e.g. a nuclear or GTu powered Type 003).

Meanwhile, China has completed 4 of 6 planned 25k ton LPDs (Type 071). It is claimed to have started production if a first 36k ton LHD (Type 075)
http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...hd-amphibious-assault-ship-for-plan-soon.html

This is in addition to the existing fleet of (tank) landing ships (15 Type 72A and 10 Type 072III of 4.8k ton, plus 4 Type 072II and 3 Type 072 of 4.2k ton) and 4 Zubr-class large LCAC (40 tons light, 415 tons standard, and 555 tons full load). And a variety auxiliariues and STUFT ships that would be available for expeditionary operations.

 

[Arminkh]

Wait untill they have 4-6 carriers and can actually conduct similar power projection operations, and see. There is a tendency (in general) that once military capabilities are in place, they will be used (else the investment in them doesn't pay).

On 7 June 2011, People's Liberation Army Chief of the General Staff Chen Bingde confirmed that China was constructing its own aircraft carrier.
On June 8, 2011, General Chen Bingde made the first public acknowledgement of the ship's [Varyag/Liaoning] refit.
On July 27, 2011, the Chinese Defense Ministry announced it was refitting the vessel for "scientific research, experiment and training".
On 30 July 2011, General Luo Yuan, a senior researcher of the Academy of Military Sciences said China needed at least three aircraft carriers. "If we consider our neighbours, India will have three aircraft carriers by 2014 and Japan will have three carriers by 2014, so I think the number (for China) should not be less than three so we can defend our rights and our maritime interests effectively."
In July 2011, a Chinese official announced that two aircraft carriers were being built at the Jiangnan Shipyard in Shanghai. [one of which probably being Liaoning, which undertook her first sea trials from 10 August 2011 to 15 August 2011 and commissioned into PLAN September 25, 2012]
On 21 May 2012, Taiwan's intelligence chief Tsai Teh-sheng told the Legislative Yuan that the PLA Navy plans to build two carriers, scheduled to start construction in 2013 and 2015 and launch in 2020 and 2022 respectively.
On 24 April 2013, Chinese Rear Admiral Song Xue confirmed that China will build more carriers and these will be larger and will carry more fighter-planes than Liaoning.
On 31 December 2015, a spokesman of the Chinese Ministry of Defense confirmed that China is designing and building its second aircraft carrier.

So, we'll see Liaoning (Type 001), a second carrier based on it but much more 'Sinofied' by design (Type 001A), and at least 1 but probably 2 larger ships (Type 002, plus maybe a 002A) and maybe more (e.g. a nuclear or GTu powered Type 003).

Meanwhile, China has completed 4 of 6 planned 25k ton LPDs (Type 071). It is claimed to have started production if a first 36k ton LHD (Type 075)
http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...hd-amphibious-assault-ship-for-plan-soon.html

This is in addition to the existing fleet of (tank) landing ships (15 Type 72A and 10 Type 072III of 4.8k ton, plus 4 Type 072II and 3 Type 072 of 4.2k ton) and 4 Zubr-class large LCAC (40 tons light, 415 tons standard, and 555 tons full load). And a variety auxiliariues and STUFT ships that would be available for expeditionary operations.

Well we really can't blame them, can we? They learned the hard way that any country that sits idle is eventually invaded by other greedy nations in the world. First came British, then Japanese and finally US.

 

[Penguin]

Well we really can't blame them, can we? They learned the hard way that any country that sits idle is eventually invaded by other greedy nations in the world. First came British, then Japanese and finally US.

What do you mean 'first came the British"?

You're forgetting a few thousends of years of Chinese history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Chinese_history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_China

1624 The VOC established the state of Dutch Formosa.(aka Taiwan)
The most lasting result of Dutch rule is the immigration of Chinese to the island. At the start of the Dutch era, there were estimated to be between 1,000–1,500 Chinese in Taiwan. During Dutch Formosa rule, Dutch colonial policies encouraged the active immigration of Han Chinese in order to solidify the ecological and agricultural trade establishments, and help maintain control over the area. Because of these reasons, by the end of the colonial period, Taiwan had many Chinese villages holding tens of thousands of people in total, and the ethnic balance of the island was already well on the way to favouring the newly arrived Chinese over the aboriginal tribes. Furthermore, Dutch settlers opened up communication between both peoples, and set about maintaining relationships with both Han Chinese and native Taiwanese – which were non-existent beforehand. One China?

Way before that several wars going back and forth with Japan.

 

[Arminkh]

What do you mean 'first came the British"?

You're forgetting a few thousends of years of Chinese history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Chinese_history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_China

1624 The VOC established the state of Dutch Formosa.(aka Taiwan)
The most lasting result of Dutch rule is the immigration of Chinese to the island. At the start of the Dutch era, there were estimated to be between 1,000–1,500 Chinese in Taiwan. During Dutch Formosa rule, Dutch colonial policies encouraged the active immigration of Han Chinese in order to solidify the ecological and agricultural trade establishments, and help maintain control over the area. Because of these reasons, by the end of the colonial period, Taiwan had many Chinese villages holding tens of thousands of people in total, and the ethnic balance of the island was already well on the way to favouring the newly arrived Chinese over the aboriginal tribes. Furthermore, Dutch settlers opened up communication between both peoples, and set about maintaining relationships with both Han Chinese and native Taiwanese – which were non-existent beforehand. One China?

Way before that several wars going back and forth with Japan.

I'm talking about aggression against China in the past 2-3 centuries. Lesson learned is you need to be strong just in case.

 

[Penguin]

I'm talking about aggression against China in the past 2-3 centuries. Lesson learned is you need to be strong just in case.

Yeah, China is such a victim.

 

[terranMarine]

Yeah, China is such a victim.

You've got a problem China is trying to safeguard her own territory in East China Sea plus the South China Sea? Looks to me is that you think China is the next USA who one day will send battle groups to far away seas or continents being some kind of an aggressor. Oh yeah China will be firing dozens of cruise missiles somewhere in ME like USA.

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

US territorial waters

That's lame bro, every nation in the world knows the safety zone around a US ship (uninvited) is the distance a torpedo can travel in a straight line, or a cannon. Otherwise, if you're not a friendly (AKA slave) we will make a Global Announcement of Harassment and as much noise as we want.

 

[AmirPatriot]

That's lame bro, every nation in the world knows the safety zone around a US ship (uninvited) is the distance a torpedo can travel in a straight line, or a cannon. Otherwise, if you're not a friendly (AKA slave) we will make a Global Announcement of Harassment and as much noise as we want.

'Twas a joke

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

'Twas a joke

Same.

 

[raptor22]

That's lame bro, every nation in the world knows the safety zone around a US ship (uninvited) is the distance a torpedo can travel in a straight line, or a cannon. Otherwise, if you're not a friendly (AKA slave) we will make a Global Announcement of Harassment and as much noise as we want.

And we have a safety zone around our borders and if you're not a friendly then ...

 

[Penguin]

You've got a problem China is trying to safeguard her own territory in East China Sea plus the South China Sea? Looks to me is that you think China is the next USA who one day will send battle groups to far away seas or continents being some kind of an aggressor. Oh yeah China will be firing dozens of cruise missiles somewhere in ME like USA.

First of all, I was responding to Arminkh, not to you. Second, I pointed to the history of China, which evidently does not show China to be a victim. Third, at no point did I make a remark about whether or not China at present is a victim or a perpetrator. Fourth, yes, I do expect China to use its naval assets in ways similar to the US and other nations owning multple carriers have, once it gets 3 or more such ships at its disposal. This is in the nature of the military and civilian leadership (Political leaders will start saying: "we've invested all this money in all this personnel and equipment, so ... what are we getting for it?" and defence/naval leadership will go: "in order to maintain our level of funding, we have to demonstrate our usefullness").

As for firing missiles in the ME, consider:

Crude Oil Imports by Country
Below are the 15 countries that imported the highest dollar value worth of crude oil during 2015:

1. China: US$134.3 billion (16.7% of global crude oil imports)
2. United States: $132.6 billion (16.5%)
3. India: $72.3 billion (9%)
4. South Korea: $55.1 billion (6.9%)
5. Japan: $45 billion (5.6%)
6. Germany: $36.4 billion (4.5%)
7. Netherlands: $35.4 billion (4.4%)
8. Spain: $24.8 billion (3.1%)
9. Italy: $23.7 billion (3%)
10. France: $22.9 billion (2.8%)
11. Thailand: $19.5 billion (2.4%)
12. United Kingdom: $18.4 billion (2.3%)
13. Singapore: $18.2 billion (2.3%)
14. Taiwan: $16.1 billion (2%)
15. Belgium: $14.8 billion (1.8%)

The listed 15 countries purchased 83.4% of all crude oil imports in 2015 (by value).

Among the above countries, the fastest-declining crude oil importers since 2011 were: Japan (down -68.3%), United States (down -61.3%), United Kingdom (down -59.4%) and Italy (down -59%).

Crude Oil Imports into China
Below are the top 15 suppliers from which China imported the highest dollar value worth of crude oil during 2015. Within parenthesis is the percentage change in value for each supplier since 2011.

1. Saudi Arabia: $20.8 billion (down -46.7%)
2. Russia: $17.2 billion (up 5.7%)
3. Angola: $15.9 billion (down -35.9%)
4. Oman: $14 billion (up 1.1%)
5. Iraq: $12.7 billion (up 21.4%)
6. Iran: $10.7 billion (down -50.8%)
7. Kuwait: $5.7 billion (down -22.3%)
8. Brazil: $5.3 billion (up 8.6%)
9. United Arab Emirates: $5.1 billion (down -7%)
10. Venezuela: $5.1 billion (down -30.3%)
11. Colombia: $3.1 billion (up 92.2%)
12. Sudan (North + South): $2.9 billion (down -69.4%)
13. Congo: $2.3 billion (down -46.9%)
14. Kazakhstan: $1.9 billion (down -78.7%)
15. Australia: $1 billion (down -69.4%)

The listed 15 countries shipped 92.1% of all Chinese crude oil imports in 2015.

Crude Oil Imports into the United States
Below are the top 15 suppliers from which the US imported the highest dollar value worth of crude oil during 2015. Within parenthesis is the percentage change in value for each supplying country since 2011.

1. Canada: $49.9 billion (down -27.9%)
2. Saudi Arabia: $21.7 billion (down -54%)
3. Venezuela: $13.7 billion (down -63.8%)
4. Mexico: $12.8 billion (down -68%)
5. Colombia: $7.4 billion (down -49.9%)
6. Iraq: $4.6 billion (down -73.7%)
7. Kuwait: $4.5 billion (down -41.8%)
8. Ecuador: $4.4 billion (down -41.2%)
9. Brazil: $3.9 billion (down -58.9%)
10. Angola: $2.6 billion (down -80.2%)
11. Nigeria: $1.4 billion (down -95.8%)
12. Chad: $1.3 billion (down -58.6%)
13. Indonesia: $799.3 million (up 7.2%)
14. Russia: $785.7 million (down -91.1%)
15. Argentina: $460.1 million (down -58.8%)

The listed 15 countries shipped 98.2% of all American crude oil imports in 2015.

Crude Oil Imports into India
Below are the top 15 suppliers from which India imported the highest dollar value worth of crude oil during 2015. Within parenthesis is the percentage change in value for each supplying country since 2011.

1. Saudi Arabia: $14.8 billion (down -37%)
2. Iraq: $11.2 billion (down -35.2%)
3. Nigeria: $9.2 billion (down -27.6%)
4. Venezuela: $6.6 billion (up 9.8%)
5. United Arab Emirates: $6.2 billion (down -42.2%)
6. Kuwait: $4.6 billion (down -63.6%)
7. Iran: $4.1 billion (down -56.4%)
8. Angola: $3 billion (down -48.7%)
9. Mexico: $1.8 billion (up 31%)
10. Qatar: $1.5 billion (down -68.3%)
11. Malaysia: $1.4 billion (down -25.5%)
12. Brazil: $1.3 billion (down -38.8%)
13. Egypt: $968 million (down -56.2%)
14. Cameroon: $665.5 million (up 125%)
15. Brunei Darussalam: $603.2 million (down -13.9%)

The listed 15 countries shipped 94.4% of all Indian crude oil imports in 2015.
http://www.worldstopexports.com/crude-oil-imports-by-country/

If the Chinese econony continues to grow, and the economy of India, whereas the US economy might decline, and given the greater dependence of both China and India on oil from the ME, China may well find itself in situations where it will be firing dozens of cruise (and other) missiles. It is a logical consequence of attempting to overtake the USA.

Are you done now with the emotional and indignant responding?

 

[Arminkh]

Yeah, China is such a victim.

Not anymore. World is not kind to victims.

 

[terranMarine]

First of all, I was responding to Arminkh, not to you. Second, I pointed to the history of China, which evidently does not show China to be a victim. Third, at no point did I make a remark about whether or not China at present is a victim or a perpetrator. Fourth, yes, I do expect China to use its naval assets in ways similar to the US and other nations owning multple carriers have, once it gets 3 or more such ships at its disposal. This is in the nature of the military and civilian leadership (Political leaders will start saying: "we've invested all this money in all this personnel and equipment, so ... what are we getting for it?" and defence/naval leadership will go: "in order to maintain our level of funding, we have to demonstrate our usefullness").

As for firing missiles in the ME, consider:

Crude Oil Imports by Country
Below are the 15 countries that imported the highest dollar value worth of crude oil during 2015:

1. China: US$134.3 billion (16.7% of global crude oil imports)
2. United States: $132.6 billion (16.5%)
3. India: $72.3 billion (9%)
4. South Korea: $55.1 billion (6.9%)
5. Japan: $45 billion (5.6%)
6. Germany: $36.4 billion (4.5%)
7. Netherlands: $35.4 billion (4.4%)
8. Spain: $24.8 billion (3.1%)
9. Italy: $23.7 billion (3%)
10. France: $22.9 billion (2.8%)
11. Thailand: $19.5 billion (2.4%)
12. United Kingdom: $18.4 billion (2.3%)
13. Singapore: $18.2 billion (2.3%)
14. Taiwan: $16.1 billion (2%)
15. Belgium: $14.8 billion (1.8%)

The listed 15 countries purchased 83.4% of all crude oil imports in 2015 (by value).

Among the above countries, the fastest-declining crude oil importers since 2011 were: Japan (down -68.3%), United States (down -61.3%), United Kingdom (down -59.4%) and Italy (down -59%).

Crude Oil Imports into China
Below are the top 15 suppliers from which China imported the highest dollar value worth of crude oil during 2015. Within parenthesis is the percentage change in value for each supplier since 2011.

1. Saudi Arabia: $20.8 billion (down -46.7%)
2. Russia: $17.2 billion (up 5.7%)
3. Angola: $15.9 billion (down -35.9%)
4. Oman: $14 billion (up 1.1%)
5. Iraq: $12.7 billion (up 21.4%)
6. Iran: $10.7 billion (down -50.8%)
7. Kuwait: $5.7 billion (down -22.3%)
8. Brazil: $5.3 billion (up 8.6%)
9. United Arab Emirates: $5.1 billion (down -7%)
10. Venezuela: $5.1 billion (down -30.3%)
11. Colombia: $3.1 billion (up 92.2%)
12. Sudan (North + South): $2.9 billion (down -69.4%)
13. Congo: $2.3 billion (down -46.9%)
14. Kazakhstan: $1.9 billion (down -78.7%)
15. Australia: $1 billion (down -69.4%)

The listed 15 countries shipped 92.1% of all Chinese crude oil imports in 2015.

Crude Oil Imports into the United States
Below are the top 15 suppliers from which the US imported the highest dollar value worth of crude oil during 2015. Within parenthesis is the percentage change in value for each supplying country since 2011.

1. Canada: $49.9 billion (down -27.9%)
2. Saudi Arabia: $21.7 billion (down -54%)
3. Venezuela: $13.7 billion (down -63.8%)
4. Mexico: $12.8 billion (down -68%)
5. Colombia: $7.4 billion (down -49.9%)
6. Iraq: $4.6 billion (down -73.7%)
7. Kuwait: $4.5 billion (down -41.8%)
8. Ecuador: $4.4 billion (down -41.2%)
9. Brazil: $3.9 billion (down -58.9%)
10. Angola: $2.6 billion (down -80.2%)
11. Nigeria: $1.4 billion (down -95.8%)
12. Chad: $1.3 billion (down -58.6%)
13. Indonesia: $799.3 million (up 7.2%)
14. Russia: $785.7 million (down -91.1%)
15. Argentina: $460.1 million (down -58.8%)

The listed 15 countries shipped 98.2% of all American crude oil imports in 2015.

Crude Oil Imports into India
Below are the top 15 suppliers from which India imported the highest dollar value worth of crude oil during 2015. Within parenthesis is the percentage change in value for each supplying country since 2011.

1. Saudi Arabia: $14.8 billion (down -37%)
2. Iraq: $11.2 billion (down -35.2%)
3. Nigeria: $9.2 billion (down -27.6%)
4. Venezuela: $6.6 billion (up 9.8%)
5. United Arab Emirates: $6.2 billion (down -42.2%)
6. Kuwait: $4.6 billion (down -63.6%)
7. Iran: $4.1 billion (down -56.4%)
8. Angola: $3 billion (down -48.7%)
9. Mexico: $1.8 billion (up 31%)
10. Qatar: $1.5 billion (down -68.3%)
11. Malaysia: $1.4 billion (down -25.5%)
12. Brazil: $1.3 billion (down -38.8%)
13. Egypt: $968 million (down -56.2%)
14. Cameroon: $665.5 million (up 125%)
15. Brunei Darussalam: $603.2 million (down -13.9%)

The listed 15 countries shipped 94.4% of all Indian crude oil imports in 2015.
http://www.worldstopexports.com/crude-oil-imports-by-country/

If the Chinese econony continues to grow, and the economy of India, whereas the US economy might decline, and given the greater dependence of both China and India on oil from the ME, China may well find itself in situations where it will be firing dozens of cruise (and other) missiles. It is a logical consequence of attempting to overtake the USA.

Are you done now with the emotional and indignant responding?

First of all everybody can respond to anybody's posts. As if you have never jumped into a posts which was not meant for you?

Secondly judging from your post #45 you sounded like as if China is not innocent. I certainly doubt if China will send a battle group for a visit in ME Iranian boats will be closing in and China starts barking Iranian boats are harassing Chinese Carrier. You should know the US is hostile towards Iran, whereas China has no hostility towards any ME countries.

Thirdly yes both China and India will continue to grow and are depended on oil. Perhaps China might find itself in the situation where force is needed to protect its assets. Not firing dozens of cruise missiles at any ME country like what happened with the 50 tomahawks straight at a Syrian airbase due to some vague accusations.

Fourth you said China was never a victim? I guess the 8 nation alliance, the opium war and WW2 should not be seen as foreign aggression but friendly foreign policies? The Dutch should then never bark how they are victims when the Germans crushed your tiny army and occupied your country.

So you done now with your hypocritical opinion? When the Dutch colonized other countries, committed massacres you should be telling them not to act as victims, the Dutch are very benign people.