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The one who is suffering is IRAN. Flying money or gold in airplanes will be the last ditch option. I do no think India will be willing to go for this option so easily. india may try to prolong the issue with iran. But Iran should halt its oil supplies in case there is no payment from india. let india oil buy from saudi.
 
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The one who is suffering is IRAN. Flying money or gold in airplanes will be the last ditch option. I do no think India will be willing to go for this option so easily. india may try to prolong the issue with iran. But Iran should halt its oil supplies in case there is no payment from india. let india oil buy from saudi.

China use their own currency to pay for Iranian imports. Iran doesn't want to be paid in INR. That is the root of the problem. Its not easy for Iran to halt supplies to its second largest customer and be ignored by it in the future.
 
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The one who is suffering is IRAN. Flying money or gold in airplanes will be the last ditch option. I do no think India will be willing to go for this option so easily. india may try to prolong the issue with iran. But Iran should halt its oil supplies in case there is no payment from india. let india oil buy from saudi.

It already does.
 
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China use their own currency to pay for Iranian imports. Iran doesn't want to be paid in INR. That is the root of the problem. Its not easy for Iran to halt supplies to its second largest customer and be ignored by it in the future.

It already does.

The last option is payment and transfer of gold to Iran. will india agree to such an arrangement?

No doubt India is a big market and economy and Iran would never like to loose india but also it would never like to give free oil to india either.
 
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How about converting your dollar into euro and paying in euro, isn't that possible? Where there's a will there's a way but something tells me that the indians lack the will. I think the indians want free oil for their so-called traditional support to Iran but the indians are too embarrassed to mention it to their Iranian 'friends'. Well, the Iranians have to get smarter!

Don't you think people in MOF would have thought of that already that you're telling me something new? Both USD and EUR are out of the equation, genius. That's the whole point of our confusion on what to use for payment. Stop talking your useless Jamaati propaganda and come into the real world. The reason why Iran trades with us in oil is because we can pay. It is the basic logic of business. But guess you won't understand that without trolling and ruining threads. I can understand the desperation you have there so tightly packed and all. Never mind.

We are at odds because the US tells us to bend over and we are not going to do it. Unlike India we dont recieve up our... just for a couple of IPADS and mcdonalds branches. US tells us to stop with enriching uranium, a process that is Irans undeniable right ! Any sane Iranian would disagree with this, as our politicians are doing and there is no power or might in this world that can break the will of our nation.

This stupid pride is the reason why you're halfway down North Korea's lane being everyone's reject except people here on PDF throwing flowers at you. You are surviving on your own not because of your own miracles and the bravery of your leaders but because you have oil in massive quantity. Otherwise your leaders would have been Kim Jong's duplicates in ruling. US sanctioned us for nukes as well. We still got the nukes AND still got along with US. Heck, we nearly came to blows with US at one time! You call this taking it up when your Shah was taking it from all over? And guess what? Your country was far better, far more peaceful, far more open and had a wonderful image at that time. Countries are just mass representations of people that need other people and countries at large if not for trade alone but also as exchange. Otherwise pride goes nowhere other than dustbin.

So what's so different in your case? I will tell you. Your loose cannon of a president is the reason why Iranian regime shot on its foot when dealing with two big allies a few months back--- Russia and China.

What you're talking about USA alone when you cannot even manage to keep your relations up with these two anti-US powers? Isolating oneself is not bravery-- it is false pride that one needs to come out of.
Nobody is creating a artificial enemy here, stop making things up, Iran only wants her right and that is to do whatever it wants without US dictating it. Israel and the US are busy with creating Iranophobia around the world and particular in the Middle East. We Iranians might have political disagreements with each other but at the end when Irans rights are at stake we will unite and counter the foreign agression, wether it be US or any other country in the world.

No one is worried about Iran. True nuclear energy is your right. NO denying. But why are your leaders averse to showing civil nuke plants to IAEA? IAEA is a body that monitors everything civil and nuclear. Your leaders and you agree that you want nuke energy for development and rising demands of Iran isn't it? So why so averse to inspection by IAEA and then get clearance from them to conduct nuke trade? See, sometimes in international diplomacy, one has to be able to give to some extent as well. We had to say yes to some things in exchange of which we got the apple and were able to eat it as well.

This we-won't-give-anything-bit-fight-the-world mentality is not going to get you anywhere in world politics. Trust me on that one. If you're thinking that the Clerics of your country are some shining beacon of "hope" against some insane tyranny, it is all in your head. US wants to be aggressive; I know that. But there are other means to keep them in check rather than saber rattling at everyone who's in US pockets but has done nothing directly to you.

Iran recognizes EVERY UN MEMBER EXCEPT ISRAEL and that is because they are a occupying force in someone else land, any other nation with the right leaders and with moral values will oppose Israel. Just because we oppose US troop presence in the Middle East and Israels existance we are under sanctions.

Iran had no issues historically with Israel until Khomenei came to power along with his clerical brigade, trying to become an export factory of Islamic Revolution world over. Israel has no borders with you and has not done anything against you except now when you're on an intentional collision course with them. At one place, Iran despises Arabs and then on the other hand, suddenly the Islamic unity comes to the mind of clerics of Tehran. Why this two faced attitude? Then how come Israel can't be expected to stay two-faced for its own survival? If you had a border issue with them, some territorial conflict or they attacking you needlessly, I can understand.

But your blind hatred of Jews (they and Israel are the same to them) and this confusing political policy of one side palestine and one side anti-Arab mentality is causing your country to needlessly become isolated. What has Israel done to Iran till now? Nothing. Whose going on the warpath now? Don't want to recognize them, fine, don't. But getting against them on a warpath will get you nowhere.

In the world of politics, there is give and take where sometimes pride and ego has to be swallowed with a pinch of salt. It is called pragmatism for greater gain rather than going all bruhaa and then sitting alone in one corner of the world.

So now tell me Mr.Indian, if you really respect trading with Iran fill the money in the suitcases [/B]and send it with airplanes and dont worry, Tehran has direct flights to Mumbai.


IN WHAT denomination? That's what we've been asking you.

- US$ =no
- EUR = no
- YEN= no
- INR = not possible
- TUM= not possible

Then in what? Apples? Oranges? Vegetables? International trade is based on reserves of a common trade currency like a macro aspect of people of one country having one currency for convenience sakes. Put this example and tell me: IN WHAT FORM do we pay you? You say money, but WHICH money?
 
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We are at odds because the US tells us to bend over and we are not going to do it. Unlike India we dont recieve up our... just for a couple of IPADS and mcdonalds branches. US tells us to stop with enriching uranium, a process that is Irans undeniable right ! Any sane Iranian would disagree with this, as our politicians are doing and there is no power or might in this world that can break the will of our nation.

Nobody is creating a artificial enemy here, stop making things up, Iran only wants her right and that is to do whatever it wants without US dictating it. Israel and the US are busy with creating Iranophobia around the world and particular in the Middle East. We Iranians might have political disagreements with each other but at the end when Irans rights are at stake we will unite and counter the foreign agression, wether it be US or any other country in the world.

Iran recognizes EVERY UN MEMBER EXCEPT ISRAEL and that is because they are a occupying force in someone else land, any other nation with the right leaders and with moral values will oppose Israel. Just because we oppose US troop presence in the Middle East and Israels existance we are under sanctions.

So now tell me Mr.Indian, if you really respect trading with Iran fill the money in the suitcases and send it with airplanes and dont worry, Tehran has direct flights to Mumbai.

Let me tell one thing, I have tremendous respect for the culture and history of Iran, its a beautiful country :)

I understand your country's difficulties with the USA. And Tshering22 is right about many points, although I don't agree with his view of the Shah. He was more or less a dictator who didn't really care about common Iranians anyways.

My country Bangladesh (used to be known as East Pakistan) was born out of a bloody struggle back in 1971. We had India and USSR on our side, and the USA, China and West Pakistan on the other. It was also a Cold War proxy battle if we look at it from an international POV.

And amid all the war, and success, guess what? - today's Bangladesh still maintain good relations with the USA, China and even today's Pakistan.

Even India and Pakistan came under sanctions after nuclear tests, and both appear to get along with the USA and the West in general. Indian-USA relations are pretty high at the moment.

Anyways, my point is that many countries may try to hurt others, but that don't mean taking that enmity too far. And I think that is the key mistake your leaders are doing.

Go against everything and everyone, but get little or nothing in return. Is that what you really want for your country? Is that what Iranians want? What do problems in Lebanon have to do with Iran? Does the Israeli-Palestinian conflict have EVERYTHING to do with Iran? Good God, are your leaders for real?
 
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The one who is suffering is IRAN. Flying money or gold in airplanes will be the last ditch option. I do no think India will be willing to go for this option so easily. india may try to prolong the issue with iran. But Iran should halt its oil supplies in case there is no payment from india. let india oil buy from saudi.

Sure thing. Oil goes out, money comes in. That is the arithmetic of it all. Iran earns money through sale of oil. If it loses a major customer like India, Iran only stands to lose some income. Can Iran handle that?
 
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This stupid pride is the reason why you're halfway down North Korea's lane being everyone's reject except people here on PDF throwing flowers at you. You are surviving on your own not because of your own miracles and the bravery of your leaders but because you have oil in massive quantity.
There is no pride here, the point here is that no one can tell us what to do or not. Put yourself in our shoes, we have been around for more then 5000 years as a unified nation with a strong powerful central government. Then in the 21th century you have USA which existence is not more then 400 years old coming telling Iran what to do or not ? We Iranians will not swallow this, others might swallow though. Rights of a nation is undeniable.

Otherwise your leaders would have been Kim Jong's duplicates in ruling. US sanctioned us for nukes as well. We still got the nukes AND still got along with US.
Yes, Iran is a dictatorship, but that is Iranian peoples concern and not anyone else, when the time arrives we will handle it ourself
Don't compare India to Iran, 2 different countries with 2 different political and strategical ambitions.





Heck, we nearly came to blows with US at one time! You call this taking it up when your Shah was taking it from all over? And guess what? Your country was far better, far more peaceful
Yes, the truth must be told, the Shah bend over and took it also. This is a disgrace as a nation with so much civilization must getting dictated by a ''country'' like the US.

more peaceful ? wait a minute, is Iran at war now ? do bombs go daily off ? US sponsored terrorists might cause some trouble for us at the borders just 1,2 times per year. Iran is a peaceful country despite being in the middle of 2 war torn nations.


far more open and had a wonderful image at that time
Such as controlling our oil and gas assets ? i love that opening. Well the problem of the image is the sheep people who watch American propaganda channel rubbish about Iran, not our problem, we dont care.


Countries are just mass representations of people that need other people and countries at large if not for trade alone but also as exchange. Otherwise pride goes nowhere other than dustbin.
Life without pride is meaningless, then what is the difference between a animal and a human being ? we are here on earth to do something meaningful, TO DEFEND OUR RIGHTS, to defend justice and so on. I would rather die standing then dying on my knees.


So what's so different in your case? I will tell you. Your loose cannon of a president is the reason why Iranian regime shot on its foot when dealing with two big allies a few months back--- Russia and China.
You just proofed you know nothing about the Iranian politics and its structure. The president of Iran holds no official power. All the official stances are being made by the supreme leader, the president just implements them and represents Iran abroad. China however is playing a smart game, we are making money with them and at the other hand they support US. Russian ignorance towards Iran is because of Medvedev and his pro western cronies, but as time passes you will see that Russia will support Iran again when Putin wins the elections.





What you're talking about USA alone when you cannot even manage to keep your relations up with these two anti-US powers?
Russia and China anti US ? LOL



Isolating oneself is not bravery-- it is false pride that one needs to come out of.
I already explained this for you, look it up. I will put/ask this in a simple way for you. Your country, India opposes Zionist occupation of Palestine, the zionists pressure US into putting sanctions against India. And at the same time you are doing nuclear research, the US puts more sanctions on you because they want you to bend over and give up. Will you give up? Would you die kneeling to your master or standing tall on your feet ?

No one is worried about Iran. True nuclear energy is your right. NO denying. But why are your leaders averse to showing civil nuke plants to IAEA?
This story is getting so old now, till now IAEA has no proof that Iran is building a nuclear weapon,and the IAEA is monitoring 24 hours Iranian nuclear facilities through their installed cameras in the nuclear facilities, till now they found nothing that PROOFS that Iran is building a nuclear weapon. So here is your answer.

IAEA is a body that monitors everything civil and nuclear. Your leaders and you agree that you want nuke energy for development and rising demands of Iran isn't it?
LOL, first of all IAEA is a US controlled organization to controll other countries nuclear activities. Second, all our facilities are open to IAEA inspecors who happen to be sometimes covert CIA agent, but however we agree with the inspections, our foreign minister has confirmed this.

All Iranian nuclear sites open to inspections - minister: Voice of Russia






So why so averse to inspection by IAEA and then get clearance from them to conduct nuke trade?
Even if we open up our military compounds/research centers their demands will only get bigger. Nothing can please US, sorry i mean IAEA.
Here is a fact for you, do you know Iran is the only country that got the most visit from IAEI/UN inspectors ?





See, sometimes in international diplomacy, one has to be able to give to some extent as well. We had to say yes to some things in exchange of which we got the apple and were able to eat it as well.
Demanding a coutnry to stop all its nuclear activities just because that particular country is suspicious is not international diplomacy. this is piracy.




This we-won't-give-anything-bit-fight-the-world mentality is not going to get you anywhere in world politics. Trust me on that one. If you're thinking that the Clerics of your country are some shining beacon of "hope" against some insane tyranny, it is all in your head. US wants to be aggressive; I know that. But there are other means to keep them in check rather than saber rattling at everyone who's in US pockets but has done nothing directly to you.
Iran is not clerical anymore, it was in the 80's and 90's but after the fall of Saddamn, everything is now run by sepah pasdaran, the militia force that is controlling all of Iran including its economy. The only cleric that has power is Ali Khamenei.
Well, you know what India should do? not supporting the sanctions on Irans legitimate rights - uranium enrichment -
Iran has pretty good politicians. Look at Iraq, the baath party with its war mongering policies and its ignorance and lack of political understanding got their head of state hanged,their government dissolved by a foreign occupation force and their country occupied. This is what i call political failure. Not Iran, when they are using Arabs as canon fodder for its covert war with Israel. Iran remains safe while both Arabs and Jews smash each others head in. Smart strategy isnt it ? i know.



Iran had no issues historically with Israel until Khomenei came to power along with his clerical brigade
The Shah liked to bend over due to US pressure, so ofcourse we had to ties and support Israel.




trying to become an export factory of Islamic Revolution world over. Israel has no borders with you and has not done anything against you except now when you're on an intentional collision course with them.
Any nation with the right moral values will oppose the Zionists.




At one place, Iran despises Arabs and then on the other hand, suddenly the Islamic unity comes to the mind of clerics of Tehran. Why this two faced attitude?
Because Iran has a different Islam implemented by the Persians and that is the Shia Islam, Iran has its own version of Islam that is different to the other Arab states.


Then how come Israel can't be expected to stay two-faced for its own survival? If you had a border issue with them, some territorial conflict or they attacking you needlessly, I can understand.

Israel doenst need to survive, Israel needs to pack up and go somewhere else. They are a occupying force. We don't negotiate with people who cause death and misery.



But your blind hatred of Jews (they and Israel are the same to them) and this confusing political policy of one side palestine and one side anti-Arab mentality is causing your country to needlessly become isolated.
Stop repeating the old stuff. There is no blind hatred. Blind hatred is massacring more then 1000 palestinians in 1 week. That is blind hatred.



What has Israel done to Iran till now? Nothing. Whose going on the warpath now? Don't want to recognize them, fine, don't. But getting against them on a warpath will get you nowhere.
Since the Iranian revolutionaries came into power in 1979 the Israelis are spreading their hate against Iran and are creating Iranophobia in the world. And all the threats they make about bombing Iranian nuclear facilities (which is a dream that never ever gets realized)

In the world of politics, there is give and take where sometimes pride and ego has to be swallowed with a pinch of salt. It is called pragmatism for greater gain rather than going all bruhaa and then sitting alone in one corner of the world.
Nations with honour will not ignore their own very rights. Iran isnt going to swallow anything. But at the end we will see who is standing tall. Iran or the US and its puppets.

IN WHAT denomination? That's what we've been asking you.

- US$ =no
- EUR = no
- YEN= no
- INR = not possible
- TUM= not possible
There are dozens of options, Iran accepts euros aswel, btw, why not gold ?


Then in what? Apples? Oranges? Vegetables? International trade is based on reserves of a common trade currency like a macro aspect of people of one country having one currency for convenience sakes. Put this example and tell me: IN WHAT FORM do we pay you? You say money, but WHICH money?
The money that you are supposed to put in airplanes on a direct plane to Tehran
 
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Sure thing. Oil goes out, money comes in. That is the arithmetic of it all. Iran earns money through sale of oil. If it loses a major customer like India, Iran only stands to lose some income. Can Iran handle that?

Oil can be sold to china & other countries .. remember you need them but they don't
 
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IranZamin dude... India was paying money through all loops holes for the oil.. which even Iran understands... If the loop holes are closed Iran has to do trading some way? isnt ... If India defaults you can complain.. but India is not defaulting wantedly....

Secondly on isolation... Your argument is right on Iran's stand.. But you are developing Nuclear bomb targetting Saudi and Israel which is on offensive mode... If your Nuclear is for defensive mode like you have an enemy who is going to grab the land there will be no issue... which is a source of concern in international arena.. and they have absolutely have no confidence on your dictator....

Believe me Iran would have become a prosperous one a Middle East power than Saudi with your natural resource , knowledge better than all gulf and tradition... but you choose to isolate yourself because of Israel... Even those who have borders with them have settled for peace or trying to.. But in reality some how do you expect Israel to return the land back? they have got it by winning... similar to your rulers who won the battle in India and took its wealth back... no one can request to give the wealth back... A simple nature example 2 fox fighting for a meat... the one which wins get the meat right? even though the other managed to hunt.. the one which lost cant claim the meat even though it hunted it... this is nature..

Unless your dictator learns to live in group it is difficult to survive.. never ever a single tree can become a forest....
 
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I wouldn't like India paying Iran in gold. We need gold. Paper currency is cheap and has no real value. Find a way to pay them in paper currency even if it dollar/euro. By the way, where does India keep it's foreign reserve? Does it even have that money in cash? I cannot imagine the idea of flying 2 billion dollar on a plane...
 
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Oil can be sold to china & other countries .. remember you need them but they don't

On the contrary, India has been a strong diplomatic ally for Iran, even going so far as to defend it's right for development of Nuclear power. Recently under US pressure the ties had appeared strained but even now India looks to circumvent the US agenda of the economic blockade of Iran.
As far as selling to China goes, the only route Iran could use was the Asian Clearing Union (ACU) which even India was using. The US recently blocked that as well. India is looking for other ways to ensure that these ties are not broken. Only India, China and Russia can pull this kind of stunt off.
 
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The one who is suffering is IRAN. Flying money or gold in airplanes will be the last ditch option. I do no think India will be willing to go for this option so easily. india may try to prolong the issue with iran. But Iran should halt its oil supplies in case there is no payment from india. let india oil buy from saudi.

Among all the OPEC nations,Iran is among the select few where America does not hold sway. Which is why India imports 60-70% oil from Iran and will look to continue.
 
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Iran:India Oil Buyers Still Pay Into Joint Account Amid Dispute

LONDON -(Dow Jones)- Indian oil buyers have continued paying for their purchases of crude bought from Iran into an account shared by both parties, the National Iranian Oil Co. said Tuesday.

The statement suggests the two sides have a temporary payments mechanism, despite an Iranian letter warning that deliveries could be interrupted if no solution is found over an ongoing dispute.

In remarks posted on the NIOC website, Mohsen Ghamsari, director of international affairs at the state-owned company, said: "As a procedure in financial transactions, Indian oil buyers have constantly, including in recent months, deposited the money in the shared account and neither have avoided buying Iran's oil nor evaded their duties to pay the bills."

The news comes after India's oil minister Jaipal Reddy said earlier Tuesday the South Asian nation's government is "optimistic" of resolving the issue of clearing pending payments to Iran for crude oil purchases.

The comments from both sides follow the recent warning from National Iranian Oil Co. that it would stop crude supplies to India from August if its long- pending bills aren't cleared and a favorable mechanism for future payments isn't evolved.

Iran is the second-largest crude supplier to India--after Saudi Arabia-- accounting for about 13%-14% of the country's oil imports.

India and Iran are trying to negotiate a new payment mechanism after the Reserve Bank of India in December stopped trade-related payments through the Asian Clearing Union, a regional clearinghouse that the U.S. says is opaque and could be used by Tehran to finance its alleged nuclear weapons program.



Anyone suggesting carrying out of such trade transactions by transferring cash or gold by hand should know that such a process will open newer and bigger doors for the ruling party to flush out nation's funds and resources for the individual's personal purposes. Such practices have been rampant in the countries where a few elite individuals rule the nation while the mass suffers in spite of a growing economy.
 
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