Iran could be the first oversea client of Chinese AShBM system

[vi-va]

Oil highest usage is for automobile. If most automobile switch to EV, it will cause a massive revolution to oil industry. which is the reason why the decline of oil industry happening now.

EV need 5 years to gain market share, and 10 years to make significant impacts. 25 years to completely replace gas automobile.

 

[Philosopher]

Iran has already possessed its own anti-ship ballistic missiles for many years. In this area, the part China can aid Iran is the satellite technology needed to detect, track and target surface vessels. In missile technology Iran itself is one of the major players. Generally speaking, the defence sector that Iran needs to boost as much as possible is the air force sector. China can be a great help to Iran here.

 

[zestokryl]

Iran has already possessed its own anti-ship ballistic missiles for many years

But still, China is more advanced. Cooperation with China could enable missiles with both satellite and SAR guidance. China is definitely ahead in missile radar guidance. China also developed ram jet. Iran needs stronger strategic anti ship defence, meaning both detection and precise strike. Advanced airborne detection required

 

[Philosopher]

But still, China is more advanced. Cooperation with China could enable missiles with both satellite and SAR guidance.

Sure, that's why I said the area they can help in is the seeker systems, especially space based.

China also developed ram jet.

Ramjet is already developed in Iran. China can help Iran in the scramjet area.

Iran needs stronger strategic anti ship defence, meaning both detection and precise strike. Advanced airborne detection required

Soon you will see arrival of next generation Iranian anti-ship missiles in form of supersonic systems. I am certain Iran is also developing non-ballistic hypersonic systems. China can aid Iran here.

But, like I mentioned earlier, the major area Iran needs aid is airforce, this is where the focus needs to be the most in terms of Iran obtaining Transfer of Technology.

 

[zestokryl]

But, like I mentioned earlier, the major area Iran needs aid is airforce, this is where the focus needs to be the most in terms of Iran obtaining Transfer of Technology.

Agree. In addition, bit this is only IMO. The most important part of airforce should be UCAV. No iranian opponent can stand up to a combined UCAV missile strike

Iran definitely need new fighter, but in a role of fending off major aggression AA defence is more crucial. Fighters should be appointed to chase the aggressors on the way to their bases. AAD is the defence backbone deep inside mainland

 

[obj 705A]

Chinese ballistic missiles for Iran? Highly unlikely and the one and only reason why it's unlikely is because if China gives BMs to Iran.. then don't be surprised if the US retaliates by giving hundreds of very long range BMs to Taiwan that would cover all of mainland China.

Iran already has long range missiles that proved to be quite accurate, what Iran needs now is air defence , J-10 or Jf-17 plus HQ-9 is needed.

In the end frankly all of that won't be enough, what Iran needs is a nuclear deterrent.

 

[Philosopher]

Iran already has long range missiles that proved to be quite accurate, what Iran needs now is air defence , J-10 or Jf-17 plus HQ-9 is needed.

I understand the J-10 but HQ-9? Iran is producing some of the most advanced air defences today.

 

[obj 705A]

I understand the J-10 but HQ-9? Iran is producing some of the most advanced air defences today.

I know that Iran produces some air defence missiles , but some of the most advanced? To put it mildly that is probably not true, heck for air defence probably even HQ-9 won't be enough without AWAC, so add AWACs to the list of required weapons.

 

[HalfMoon]

The real question is will China sell Iran the J-10?

Yes. J-10D.

 

[Philosopher]

I know that Iran produces some air defence missiles , but some of the most advanced? To put it mildly that is probably not true, heck for air defence probably even HQ-9 won't be enough without AWAC, so add AWACs to the list of required weapons.

I will assume Iranian air defence is an area you have not followed with a greater level of interest relative to its missile forces. However let me assure you that Iran's air defence advancement are not much less impresisve than its missile program. For example, currently the Iranian Bavar-373's technical capabilities are above the S-300PMU2, but inferior to the S-400. Its Sevome Khordad is another very advanced system that has been used in practise as well (RQ downing). If you disbelieve my statement, then do refute them using technical data. Lets use the Bavar-373 for a moment, how many ground based many air defences can you name that have superior technical capabilities? If you want to learn more about the Bavar-373, read this article:

Iranian Bavar-373 long range air defence system- A quantum leap in Iran's air defence capability
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/iran...-leap-in-irans-air-defence-capability.670272/
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Regarding your comment on the AWACs, I consider that another part of the airforce that requires improvement. Airforce tends to play the biggest factor in people's mind when they think about a nation's military might, whether that is a correct way of thinking or not is another discussion. But given that Iran's airforce has seen the least and slowest improvement compared to rest of its military, this impacts how Iran's conventional military capability is seen even-though it has major capabilities in other general areas.

 

[FuturePAF]

The real question is will China sell Iran the J-10?

If Iran is willing to buy, China is willing to sell, although I would think the Iranians would be wiser to wait until the J-31/35 is ready and purchase that.

They maybe willing pay for all the bells and whistles so that their Air Force has a chance against the Arab nations across the gulf and any powers from further away. Considering their experience maintaining the Klimov engines on their MiG-29s, they have some knowledge to get the ball rolling if they go in that direction.

79 F-14s, 64 F-4s, 45 Mig-29s, 60 F-5s, 24 F-7s, and a number of their own domestic fighters round out the fleet that needs to be replaced; all told in the area of 300 planes; at 70 million each plus the costs to maintain and equip these planes, they will probably split the order between the J-31/35 and preferably the JF-17 (due to the common engine and lower cost) and if not that, then the J-10. IMHO, 200 J-31/35 and 200 JF-17 will allow them to have enough fighters ready to deal with a much larger force if they spend heavily on pilot training, and later in the other elements, EW and an integrated Air Defense network of modern radars and SAMs.

On the other hand, they may go for the J-10 over the JF-17 for the range and performance advantage though.

Pakistan may not be willing to “sell” to Iran or even help maintain Iranian fighters for fear of alienating Arab and western nations, so China may pay Pakistan to just ship parts to China or just pay Pakistan royalty for every JF-17 made.

 

[Muhammed45]

The thread has gone way Off topic. Its become indictor of differences between renewable energies and the fossil ones.

Ontopic
The possible superiority of Chinese AShBM could be its range. Iran has already targeted a ship at 2000 KM distance with outstanding accuracy. @Philosopher i don't think that satellites could give the exact coordination of a moving ship with under 10 meters accuracy, considering the temporal Resolution of satellites. However they could be of a great help to drones.

Our airforce is probably the candidate for Foreign cooperation.

 

[Philosopher]

Ontopic
The possible superiority of Chinese AShBM could be its range. Iran has already targeted a ship at 2000 KM distance with outstanding accuracy. @Philosopher i don't think that satellites could give the exact coordination of a moving ship with under 10 meters accuracy, considering the temporal Resolution of satellites. However they could be of a great help to drones.

Our airforce is probably the candidate for Foreign cooperation.

Iran possesses anti-ship ballistic missiles with 2000km range. This 2000km range is just a self imposed restriction image, we know Iranian missile in reality have longer actual ranges than this. Even going by this 2000km figure, yes China's anti-ship ballistic missile do have longer ranges than this (DF-26) but range is not a technical issue for Iran but a political one. That main issue is one of targeting and tracking the ships, hence why I brought out this matter of satellites. As long as satellite can given a rough estimation, other form of guidance can take over, for example missile's own terminal guidance. Moreover, do not forget that a missile's warhead does not have to be one a singular MaRVs, but can be of cluster nature. For example the Iranian Ghadr missile can carry up to 1400 bomblets and these can spread over an area of several KMs. This was one system Iran was planning to use against naval vessel in a potential conflict.

But yes, I agree that the biggest area of potential cooperation is the airforce. These other areas such as non-ballistic hypersonic and so on are secondary and not a necessity. The airforce is more or less a necessity.

 

[Muhammed45]

targeting and tracking the ships

rough estimation

Key words.

Well described brother. Thanks.

 

[FuturePAF]

Iran is doing what was predicted decades ago; allying with a rising superpower to challenge US hegemony in the region. They have always known they are on the list, and want to assure their national security, modest economic stability, and regime survival above all else.