Iran could be the first oversea client of Chinese AShBM system

[925boy]

China don't need so much oil and oil business is less and less critical as we moved into green energy.

So that means what Chinese govt REALLY invested in IS future uncontrolled access to the large, lucrative Iranian domestic market that still needs alot of development, technology and products...well, its a smart business move by CHina- large economies like US and China need larger and larger economic "projects" in order to satisfy their domestic financial needs, demands and wishes.

The real question is will China sell Iran the J-10?

yes or probably, but if yes, then that will happen in a few years not now.....or at the minimum the manufacturing designs and ToT, which will lead to a surprising Iranian "fighter aircraft that looks like the J-10"..

Not quite sure if it can be true as China is also interested in maintaining good relationship with Saudi and Israel. Of course the key point is the Americans. If they keep going extreme China will definitely help Iran build up capability to effectively control the strait and therefore sacrifice Saudi and Israel.

Iran has done some initial work on anti-ship ballistic missiles. China can transfer better sensor technology and even provide satellite services. I have a strongly feeling that the stealth CH-7 could also be exported to Iran to enable near real time sea target tracing to help the missiles.

This kind of combination is more useful than only having J-10.

Iran already controls the strait TODAY, if you know you know...no western warship has tested Iran on that yet, and thats because they know they will lose crews and naval equipment in any clash and that will be unstoppable.

Oil highest usage is for automobile. If most automobile switch to EV, it will cause a massive revolution to oil industry. which is the reason why the decline of oil industry happening now.

but automobile is still just 1 of many many uses of oil(even our toilet seats called PVC have are made from oil, our plastics are oil...etc)...oil has soo many uses...and at the end of the day, if China really doesnt need oil then why are you buying daily??? your demand doesnt match your talk here...US and China will continue to be the largest oil consumers for at least 1-2 more decades....no way out of that...India also consumes alot of oil daily ..

 

[R Wing]

1,More important than oil: De-dollarization. From the oil business with Iran, Yuan also becomes Oil Yuan like Oil Dollar. In other words, other countries can buy oil from Iran by using Yuan instead of dollar.

This trade is also an experiment for Yuan as an transnational currency. It will set an example for other countries. Which would encourage them to adopt Yuan as their payment currency.

2, A revenge for all US provocations to China. If US can not stop this deal, it will lose face in front of whole world. It proves US is not the boss any more. It's also a warning to US. If US walks too far, worse things will come to it. China has the power to hurt US.

Down with the petro-dollar!

Also a great way to break America's death grip on the Gulf States --- China should cultivate Iran to maintain influence in the ME. All the other regressive monarchies are essentially US puppets.

 

[serenity]

Some inaccuracies. J-10C and any J-10 sale to Iran would be hard for China. AShBM technology is difficult for different reason. AShBM details are still quite secret unless better technology can be developed. There are spies everywhere. Even in China many are spying for Americans.

J-10 sale or any offensive weapon unlike air defence SAM will be considered move against Saudi Arabia and Israel. China's relations with these countries are neutral to positive just like with Iran. So this may be difficult and unlikely to happen.

On Taiwan receiving US ballistic missiles? Please. This already been offered in 20th century multiple times and Taiwanese reject. Very simple answer why. Just like Korea eventually reject American offer of THAAD because they also know it becomes a target of PLARF when the Chinese side showed Koreans anger with THAAD. THAAD positions in Korea gives early warning and much more intelligence information on PLAAF and rocket and HGV tests.

If Taiwan accept so many American ballistic missiles to be positioned there, they may receive heavy first strike. It's always double sided. At the moment, Taiwan's position has changed from 20th century of wanting to take all of mainland, to nowadays just holding status quo and at most declare independence. They will unlikely have war with mainland even if SCS becomes warzone with USA and China. Any Taiwanese offensive weapons will be targets of first strike. Taiwan does not want to give further reason to be bigger ballistic missile targets.

 

[nahtanbob]

Some of the rumors around the internet in China nowadays, indicate the China-Iran's 25 year pact is more than just about economy, and the depth is beyond what many may have think about.

It seems that the details involves hundreds of billions investment from China, and export of Chinese machinery and industrial products, as well as weapons.

And Iran will provide China with stable oil supply.

Weapons are not just your usual fighters and tanks, but also China's Access-denial system, including early warning system, long range UAV and other supporting network to search, locate and track ships in the high sea, and of cause the AShBMs to make the final strike.

I think due to international pact, the range of AShBMs will still be limited to 300 km or so, but the entire early warning, search and tracking network is even more important than the AShBM itself.

If the rumors are true, it is a good move for China, Iran is in a strategic position in the world, control one of the busiest trading routine, if they has the capability to take out enemy ships at high sea, it will be a very good move to lead to the eventually end of the oil and pronzi scheme dollar system.

https://lt.cjdby.net/thread-2635682-1-1.html

Taking on USA alone is one thing. Taking on Saudi Arabia & its allies is another

Down with the petro-dollar!

Also a great way to break America's death grip on the Gulf States --- China should cultivate Iran to maintain influence in the ME. All the other regressive monarchies are essentially US puppets.

if those monarchies go down you are looking at 3 million unemployed Pakistanis and loss of $20 billion in remmitances

 

[R Wing]

Taking on USA alone is one thing. Taking on Saudi Arabia & its allies is another



if those monarchies go down you are looking at 3 million unemployed Pakistanis and loss of $20 billion in remmitances

Better governments there would suddenly not understand the value of relatively cheap and skilled (in construction, etc.) labor?

And China cultivating Iran doesn't necessarily mean that the monarchies have to "go down."

Thanks for your 2c though.

 

[nahtanbob]

Better governments there would suddenly not understand the value of relatively cheap and skilled (in construction, etc.) labor?

And China cultivating Iran doesn't necessarily mean that the monarchies have to "go down."

Thanks for your 2c though.

it is easy or fashionable to bash the monarchies when they are the ones feeding you

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

it is easy or fashionable to bash the monarchies when they are the ones feeding you

ah I see, so you as an American, with a constitution that specifically forbids acceptance of titles from and is directly opposed to monarchy, is now defending absolute monarchies. Awesome.

 

[nahtanbob]

ah I see, so you as an American, with a constitution that specifically forbids acceptance of titles from and is directly opposed to monarchy, is now defending absolute monarchies. Awesome.

nope. just pointing out to pakistanis that they live off the largess of monarchies they claim to despise

 

[R Wing]

it is easy or fashionable to bash the monarchies when they are the ones feeding you

Demeaning comments don't help. My point is that a more progressive / open regime that isn't a puppet of NATO interests in the region would still see the value in cheap labor from South Asia. The monarchies aren't doing us a favor out of their inherent generosity, I can assure you.

Perhaps the US should stop bullshitting about democracy / freedom while selling billions in arms to and keeping various regressive monarchies in power in the Gulf.