Iran backed Zainebiyoun brigade composed of Pakistani Shia guarding the Baghdad Damascus highway

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You divide the Indian subcontinent based on religion, but that's not necessarily true historic wise. The subcontinent existed before Islam but for some reason you think that the world came to existence after Islam. Even after Islam, is Gujarat a part of Pakistan? We had trade with that region since the 10th century at least. Going back in history, what about Vedic India? What about the fact that even the name Hindustan was given to the Indian subcontinent by us as they were a part of the Achaemenid empire?

Confused man you are. Land does not change due to borders. Pakistan area was the part closest culturally and linguistically to Iran.

We ruled Western Gujurat also, Junagarh was the home of Bhuttos.

I find your obsession with polytheism interesting, reminds me of Arabs too.

You are messing up with the demographics of Afghanistan by killing Persians in Afghanistan and turning Afghanistan into a Pashto-dominant country. Not to mention that Hazaras in Afghanistan are under constant threat for their lives.

Taliban includes Non-Pukhtoons also. It is truly a national movement now.

Your rhetoric has failed on Afghans.

Our main problem with Pakistan is that your country is unstable and there are some Wahhabi elements who have infiltrated top ranks in your government and army that are loyal and obedient to the Saudis. That's the problem.

Also false.

And as for your threats that were added after I was writing this message, I can tell you that we are very confident that we can handle you with no problem. We have first hand intelligence inside Pakistan and we are aware of the intentions and sentiments of particular fractions inside Pakistan. And we did handle you when you sided with MBS against Iran. It took us exactly 2 weeks to respond. So, feel free to do anything you can, but don't get surprised when you receive the response for your actions against Iran. Pakistan must stay neutral in the Saudi-Iran conflict in the region if she wants neutral relations with Iran.

Come try, you will get a Swift Retort TM.

So you think that Pakistan executing MBS threat to bring war into Iran is not backstabbing, but Iran siding with India against you that backstabbed us two weeks earlier without provocation is backstabbing? What kind of logic is that?

Ahmadinejad too was demonized as anti-Sunni by many Arabs and pro-Arab members here on PDF. Iran entered the Syrian Civil War during Ahmadinejad's presidency. Iran was accused of creating chaos in Bahrain during Ahmadinejad's presidency.

False allegation like that requires evidence for me to take you seriously.

It is just rhetoric.

Do you know we cut off transmission of Saudi FM speech when he was badmouthing Iran?

We did not involve ourselves in Yemen, and earned Arab Gulf anger.

We kept ties to Iran, despite threats and pressure to boycott Iran.

Ungrateful you are, for all the help we provided you in your worst time during Iran-Iraq war.

 

[QWECXZ]

Confused man you are. Land does not change due to borders. Pakistan area was the part closest culturally and linguistically to Iran.

We ruled Western Gujurat also, Junagarh was the home of Bhuttos.

I find your obsession with polytheism interesting, reminds me of Arabs too.

Taliban includes Non-Pukhtoons also. It is truly a national movement now.

Your rhetoric has failed on Afghans.

Also false.

Come try, you will get a Swift Retort TM.

You can claim Gujarat as a part of Pakistan, but the majority of the world will disagree with you. The name Hindustan historically precedes the name Pakistan. It's a fact.

Again, when you talk about polytheism, it shows that you think of countries as religious entities. So what if they practiced or practice polytheism? Are you suggesting that countries should side with each other based on religion and "heavenly" ideas?

Taliban is not a nationalist movement. The Afghan resistance against the Soviets was a nationalist movement that you helped derail with the help of the Saudis and the Americans.

Anyway, I told you what you need to know: Do not side with the Saudis on Iran if you want neutral/good relations with Iran. Think whatever you want, but try to understand that point well because it's very important for you guys to understand it. I know that Imran Khan understood it. And that stopped our relations from going downhill. It was a wise move.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You can claim Gujarat as a part of Pakistan, but the majority of the world will disagree with you. The name Hindustan historically precedes the name Pakistan. It's a fact.

Junagarh acceded to Pakistan, but was invaded by India.

 

[QWECXZ]

False allegation like that requires evidence for me to take you seriously.

It is just rhetoric.

Do you know we cut off transmission of Saudi FM speech when he was badmouthing Iran?

We did not involve ourselves in Yemen, and earned Arab Gulf anger.

We kept ties to Iran, despite threats and pressure to boycott Iran.

Ungrateful you are, for all the help we provided you in your worst time during Iran-Iraq war.

OK. Did you read what I wrote? Who do you think was behind the 2018 Chabahar attacks and the 2019 attack on the IRGC bus?

I told you that there are some fractions inside Pakistan that preserve Saudi interests. Do you disagree that Pakistan has fractions like that?

You initially accepted the Saudi invitation in Yemen, but then your parliament voted against it. The head of the Saudi coalition was supposed to be a Pakistani general. As for your support during the Iraq-Iran war, we beg to differ. Just the same day that Iraq started the invasion of Khuzestan in Iraq, you sent 40,000 troops to Saudi Arabia to protect them from the war. You stayed neutral in the war.

Junagarh acceded to Pakistan, but was invaded by India.

Don't quote me too quickly. Wait for me to finish before you write a new post

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Again, when you talk about polytheism, it shows that you think of countries as religious entities. So what if they practiced or practice polytheism? Are you suggesting that countries should side with each other based on religion and "heavenly" ideas?

Pakistani Non-Muslim ancestors, mostly Buddhist, converted to Islam due to Sufi sheikhs. It does not make our claim to our land magically dissappear. Neither does it erase our heritage as IVC, Aryans, and various Iranics like Saka, Kushan, and Hepthalites.

You watching too much Bollywood.

Anyway, I told you what you need to know: Do not side with the Saudis on Iran if you want neutral/good relations with Iran. Think whatever you want, but try to understand that point well because it's very important for you guys to understand it. I know that Imran Khan understood it.

We never took sides between KSA and Iran, and we earned anger of both. India is ally of both and reaps economic benefit from both. Pakistan stuck to its principles, we will be proven correct. Sectarianism is a curse.

We are proud to support Turkey, they also have the same ideology. We see no difference between Sunni and Shia, as long as both are loyal to the state.

 

[QWECXZ]

Pakistani Non-Muslim ancestors, mostly Buddhist, converted to Islam due to Sufi sheikhs. It does not make our claim to our land magically dissappear. Neither does it erase our heritage as IVC, Aryans, and various Iranics like Saka, Kushan, and Hepthalites.

You watching too much Bollywood.

We never took sides between KSA and Iran, and we earned anger of both. India is ally of both and reaps economic benefit from both. Pakistan stuck to its principles, we will be proven correct. Sectarianism is a curse.

We are proud to support Turkey, they also have the same ideology. We see no difference between Sunni and Shia, as long as both are loyal to the state.

Bollywood isn't really popular in Iran. Iran is not Pakistan that people watch Bollywood movies.

Our assessment from the 2018 Chabahar attack was that Pakistan is not happy with our deal with Indians to develop Chabahar and they were trying to make it unsafe. Our assessment from the 2019 Zahedan attack on the IRGC bus was that Pakistan is trying to send a signal that it can side with the Saudis if we don't reduce our ties with India. Our overall assessment of your behavior from 2017 to 2019 was that Pakistan was getting closer to the Saudis. I believe the assessments of our intelligence organizations to be true. They acted based on self interest to show you that we will bear no ill will because letting the 2018 Chabahar attacks go unanswered had been most likely seen as a signal of Iran's weakness by rogue elements in the Pakistani system. 2 weeks after the attack on the IRGC bus, you changed your mind and Imran Khan asked for an unscheduled travel to Iran to sign a pact for border security. We interpret that as a sign of understanding the situation by the Pakistani government.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

OK. Did you read what I wrote? Who do you think was behind the 2018 Chabahar attacks and the 2019 attack on the IRGC bus?

All allegations, none proven. Pakistan condemned all attacks and pushed for cooperation.

Instead we got deeply worrying threatening postures against us. Your 27 soldiers are nothing to out 75,000 Pakistanis who died in WoT due to your Indian friends. Did we ever accuse you of that before Yadav fell into our hands?

I told you that there are some fractions inside Pakistan that preserve Saudi interests. Do you disagree that Pakistan has fractions like that?

Ahle Hadees do not have that influence in Pakistan. We have Shias also at all levels of ISI, military. And government, do they also have KSA tendencies?

You see the problem with vague accusations.

You initially accepted the Saudi invitation in Yemen, but then your parliament voted against it. The head of the Saudi coalition was supposed to be a Pakistani general. As for your support during the Iraq-Iran war, we beg to differ. Just the same day that Iraq started the invasion of Khuzestan in Iraq, you sent 40,000 troops to Saudi Arabia to protect them from the war. You stayed neutral in the war.

Pakistan called back Pakistani soldiers who served with KSA when they went into Yemen. We did not approve their actions. All sects of Pakistan condemned it, all political parties. We still condemn it, Yemen is our brotherly country.

Raheel Sharif was part of KSA Muslim army, yes, he functioned as an employee. He is an ex-general. I don't know if he is still there.

KSA was under threat from Iraq too. We have an alliance with them and offer them protection. We never went against Iranian interests during Iran-Iraq war, actually we sent medicine, food, and supplies to Iranians. We allowed Iranians to use Pakistan to import more.

You are so forgetful.

Bollywood isn't really popular in Iran. Iran is not Pakistan that people watch Bollywood movies.

Our assessment from the 2018 Chabahar attack was that Pakistan is not happy with our deal with Indians to develop Chabahar and they were trying to make it unsafe. Our assessment from the 2019 Zahedan attack on the IRGC bus was that Pakistan is trying to send a signal that it can side with the Saudis if we don't reduce our ties with India. Our overall assessment of your behavior from 2017 to 2019 was that Pakistan was getting closer to the Saudis. I believe the assessments of our intelligence organizations to be true. They acted based on self interest to show you that we will bear no ill will because letting the 2018 Chabahar attacks go unanswered had been most likely seen as a signal of Iran's weakness by rogue elements in the Pakistani system. 2 weeks after the attack on the IRGC bus, you changed your mind and Imran Khan asked for an unscheduled travel to Iran to sign a pact for border security. We interpret that as a sign of understanding the situation by the Pakistani government.

Your intelligence has ulterior motives. If that is their assessment, then they are more evil than I or any Pakistani realized. Sulemani was truly a devil.

Pakistan relied on an inactive border in Balochistan to be able to fight against India, but Iranian hostile actions will have to be neutralized.

You will see a more hostile Pakistan and less sympathy for Iran in Pakistan in general, Sunni and Shia both.

We already have major problems with you using our citizens as terrorists Liwa Zanabiyoun against Syrian Sunnis. More crackdown of Iranian agents and their enablers will continue.

Iran is not Pakistan that people watch Bollywood movies

We are more into Turkish serials these days.

I brought up Bollywood because your love of Vedic history. Its good you don't watch the Islamophobic, vulgar content of your friendly allied Mushrik country.

 

[QWECXZ]

All allegations, none proven. Pakistan condemned all attacks and pushed for cooperation.

Instead we got deeply worrying threatening postures against us. Your 27 soldiers are nothing to out 75,000 Pakistanis who died in WoT due to your Indian friends. Did we ever accuse you of that before Yadav fell into our hands?

You do know that Iran suffered from Baluch insurgency since at least late 1990s?
I'm telling you that the suicide bomber who carried out the 2019 attack on the IRGC bus and the planner of the attack were proven to be Pakistani nationals and you say they're accusations. lol In that case, your Yadav thing is nothing more than an accusation either.

Ahle Hadees do not have that influence in Pakistan. We have Shias also at all levels of ISI, military. And government, do they also have KSA tendencies?

You see the problem with vague accusations.

You can call them accusations, but it's not like Pakistan is another continent and we don't have internal intelligence in Pakistan. You don't have to be an intelligence officer to get a gist of the general Pakistani sentiments. You just need to talk to some of them like people here on PDF.

KSA was under threat from Iraq too. We have an alliance with them and offer them protection. We never went against Iranian interests during Iran-Iraq war, actually we sent medicine, food, and supplies to Iranians. We allowed Iranians to use Pakistan to import more.

How was KSA under threat from Iraq? KSA was the main sponsor of the Iraqi warfare machine against Iran during the Iraq-Iran war. Iraq turned against them after the Iraq-Iran war because Saddam believed they were stunting the recovery of the Iraqi economy. Did you send those products for free? Or were you paid for them? Since when seizing an economic opportunity is a sign of supporting Iran? I said you were neutral in the war. I never said you sided with Iraq. Did I?

Your intelligence has ulterior motives. If that is their assessment, then they are more evil than I or any Pakistani realized. Sulemani was truly a devil.

Pakistan relied on an inactive border in Balochistan to be able to fight against India, but Iranian hostile actions will have to be neutralized.

You will see a more hostile Pakistan and less sympathy for Iran in Pakistan in general, Sunni and Shia both.

We already have major problems with you using our citizens as terrorists Liwa Zanabiyoun against Syrian Sunnis. More crackdown of Iranian agents and their enablers will continue.

I believe our intelligence officers have good reasons for those assessments. Many people in Pakistan believed Iran was in a weak position after Trump had reimposed sanctions. Pakistan saw Chabahar as a competitor for Gwadar. Pakistan wanted Iran to reduce her ties with India. All of these hypotheses are further strengthened when you read the comments of Pakistani people on PDF. You guys are freely expressing your opinions here and believe me, your opinions aren't pleasant to read in most cases and sometimes they are extremely radical. We have a good grasp of the fiber of the Pakistani society. Intelligence agencies assess the situation based on years of information collected on people working in top positions of a country. For example, when we believe that Ashraf Ghani is an anti-Iran/anti-Persian asset, we say that because we have intelligence on him since when he was in the University of Kabul. It's not just out of the blue.

We are more into Turkish serials these days.

I brought up Bollywood because your love of Vedic history. Its good you don't watch the Islamophobic, vulgar content of your friendly allied Mushrik country.

The reason we don't watch Bollywood movies is not because they are infidels. The quality of their cinema is not high enough yet. They produce too many movies but too few high quality movies. We are more into American movies and TV series.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Pakistan took concrete action and arrested affiliated people of Daesh.

Here you go:

According to Lt. General Asim Saleem Bajwa, the former official spokesperson of the Pakistani military’s media wing, 309 ISIS members have been arrested by Pakistani law enforcement and paramilitary forces. The detained include foreign nationals from Afghanistan, Syria, and Iraq. Despite these numbers, the Lt. General denies claims of an official, organized presence in Pakistan. Rather, he claims that “the group now operates on the Afghan side of the border.”

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org...islamic-state-in-pakistan-growing-the-network

well you seems cant understand difference between ISIS and Zeynabioun.
Pakistan told Its national not to join ISIS you never told your national not to join Zeynabioun

27th February incident when India attacked our country, the Afghani and Iranian side seemed to be on the Indian side.

at the time terrorrist on from pakistan side of the border entered Iran and attacked our security forces. have you forgot that . and we didn't side with India . we asked you to secure your side of the border or let us do it.

I was one of the most pro-Iran Pakistanis here, until Sulemani did his threats and provocations while India attacked from the East.

he issued a warning when terrorist from Pakistan attacked our security forces and killed 27 of them.
wonder what you guys would have done if an Iranian suicide bomber killed 27 of your army

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

I have checked posts from earlier days on PDF as well. Even when Ahmadinejad was the President of Iran, there were some Pakistanis who loathed Iran. Ahmadinejad was popular in Pakistan because they admired his public speeches against Israel and the USA.He had the balls to challenge Zionist lies in the media.

You divide the Indian subcontinent based on religion, but that's not necessarily true historic wise. The subcontinent existed before Islam but for some reason you think that the world came to existence after Islam. Even after Islam, is Gujarat a part of Pakistan? We had trade with that region since the 10th century at least. Going back in history, what about Vedic India? What about the fact that even the name Hindustan was given to the Indian subcontinent by us as they were a part of the Achaemenid empire?

And if all you understood from my post was about Afghanistan, I feel sorry for you. What do you mean by we failed to neutralize Taliban? The US removed the Taliban from power in 2001. Since then, the Taliban are fighting only the US troops in Afghanistan and it is no longer a threat to Iran. It has even tried to approach Iran to fight the US on several occasions. The issue is not Taliban. You are messing up with the demographics of Afghanistan by killing Persians in Afghanistan and turning Afghanistan into a Pashto-dominant country. Not to mention that Hazaras in Afghanistan are under constant threat for their lives. Our main problem with Pakistan is that your country is unstable and there are some Wahhabi elements who have infiltrated top ranks in your government and army that are loyal and obedient to the Saudis. That's the problem.

And as for your threats that were added after I was writing this message, I can tell you that we are very confident that we can handle you with no problem. We have first hand intelligence inside Pakistan and we are aware of the intentions and sentiments of particular fractions inside Pakistan. And we did handle you when you sided with MBS against Iran. It took us exactly 2 weeks to respond. So, feel free to do anything you can, but don't get surprised when you receive the response for your actions against Iran. Pakistan must stay neutral in the Saudi-Iran conflict in the region if she wants neutral relations with Iran.

With all due respect to Pakistani members - please don't try to teach this guy your version of subcontinent's history. His history and geography knowledge about our region is perfect to the T.

 

[Safriz]

I am trying to understand your line of thinking here. You are using broad brush strokes to paint a majority as criminals who are demanding their rights from a minority that rules them who wasn't voted into power and book them extra judicially? How is this any different from Kashmir? Lets call a spade a spade here.

By this logic, hypothetically, if SA was to somehow be governed by Shias; and they called in Shias from Iran to subjugate the majority Sunnis, would that be OK? Lets not whitewash tyranny here.

@AgNoStiC MuSliM there you go.
For example read this guy's comments.
People like him will even malign Pakistani historical claim on Kashmir and support for Kashmiri people to justify the actions of their holy Iran.
These snakes lurk among us.

 

[QWECXZ]

@AgNoStiC MuSliM there you go.
For example read this guy's comments.
Shia like him will even malign Pakistani historical claim on Kashmir and support for Kashmiri people to justify the actions of their holy Iran.
These snakes lurk among us.

That's not what he did. He drew an analogy for you to understand your hypocrisy. Sadly it didn't work.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

@Safriz @Enigma SIG
What the Bahraini protesters did was not wrong, but neither were the actions of the Pakistani government. The GoP entered into an official agreement with the internationally recognized Bahraini government to provide manpower for law enforcement. This was legal and completely above board.

The Iranian and Pakistan Govt have no such agreement on providing manpower for conflicts in a third country.

That said, Bahraini protesters were not in the wrong either, as long as they were acting peacefully.

The comparison with Kashmir is flawed because Kashmir is occupied by an external force (India). The Bahraini situation is more of an internal conflict.

Also. Safriz - a users identity and faith have absolutely no bearing on the discussion. Debate the argument, not the posters faith.

 

[Safriz]

@Safriz @Enigma SIG
What the Bahraini protesters did was not wrong, but neither were the actions of the Pakistani government. The GoP entered into an official agreement with the internationally recognized Bahraini government to provide manpower for law enforcement. This was legal and completely above board.

The Iranian and Pakistan Govt have no such agreement on providing manpower for conflicts in a third country.

That said, Bahraini protesters were not in the wrong either necessarily, as long as they were acting peacefully.

The comparison with Kashmir is flawed because Kashmir is occupied by an external force (India). The Bahraini situation is more of an internal conflict.

Also. Safriz - a users identity and faith have absolutely no bearing on the discussion. Debate the argument, not the posters faith.

You like many Pakistani are still living in denial.
If person's sect or ethnicity has nothing to do with what views they write here, then why only certain ethnicity support PTM and only certain sect support Iran and whatever Iran does anywhere in the world is as holy to them as religious text?
Of course those views come from ethnic and sectarian background.

Unless we start calling a spade a spade and name and Shame them. These matters won't be resolved.

This Israeli type approach isn't correct in which whatever you say against Israeli actions and violence committed by Israelis is straight away branded anti semitism and shunned.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

You like many Pakistani are still living in denial.
If person's sect or ethnicity has nothing to do with what views they write here, then why only certain ethnicity support PTM and only certain sect support Iran and whatever Iran does anywhere in the world is as holy to them as religious text?
Of course those views come from ethnic and sectarian background.

Unless we start calling a spade a spade and name and Shame them. These matters won't be resolved.

This Israeli type approach isn't correct in which whatever you say against Israeli actions and violence committed by Israelis is straight away branded anti semitism and shunned.

Someones race, ethnicity, religion, sect etc have no bearing on the arguments being made in the forumsphere - here we discuss & debate ideas, argument, counterargument etc.

Just because you claim someone is X sect or Y ethnicity does not automatically debunk or validate their arguments.

You support or refute a claim with evidence, sources, logical arguments etc. not by saying that someone is Sunni, Shia, Iranian, Saudi or Pashtun.