Iran-backed militias recruiting Pakistanis, Afghans to fight in Syria

[SALMAN F]

It's compensation is a leader for Iraq from Nujaba party, in the same way that Hezbollah guaranteed safety of Lebanon against Saudi Israeli funded terror groups, they can save Iraq from sedition I mean saving both Shia and Sunni from American designed plots. Otherwise, with no complement, just like Syria and other Arab countries, they would suffer from own mistakes. Our friend camel guy looks for Saudi friends, it's only way is insulting Iran and Iranian.


What is, please tell us more, apparently you know Shias more than me

Yes I do I don't try to hide the truth by using taqqyyia

You can't deny the fact the Shias consider the followers of other religions najis

He is an atheist.

And a racist Kurd, Iranian, Turk hater.

Not am atheist

And look who is talking about racism didn't you yourself attacked arabs and turks many times and had racial war with @Berkant??!

@2800

He is talking just like wahabis, is there a newly designed wahabi Shia designed by Saudi Takfirists?


More like wahabis

Critizing the nonesense of the Shias which was criticized by many others like kamal al haidari and ahmed al Kateb and and doesn't make me Wahhabi you clown


Sunnis also have adnan Ibrahim and hassan farhan al Maliki who both accused of being Shias because of Critizing if Sunni fundamentals

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Yes I do I don't try to hide the truth by using taqqyyia

You can't deny the fact the Shias consider the followers of other religions najis


Not am atheist

And look who is talking about racism didn't you yourself attacked arabs and turks many times and had racial war with @Berkant??!


Critizing the nonesense if the Shias which was criticized by many others like kamal al haidari and ahmed al Kateb and and doesn't make me Wahhabi you clown


Sunnis also have adnan Ibrahim and hassan farhan al Maliki who both accused of being Shias because of Critizing if Sunni fundamentals

Their job was to derail the thread in order to cover up the facts that I, @TheCamelGuy and you wrote.

BTW the great noble Sheikh Hassan Farhan Al-Maliki (from KSA) is one of the most knowledgeable clerics of today and one of my favorites.

One of the wisest Muslim scholars. He puts most Muslim clerics to shame today.

 

[SALMAN F]

Their job was to derail the thread in order to cover up the facts that I, @TheCamelGuy and you wrote.

BTW the great noble Sheikh Hassan Farhan Al-Maliki (from KSA) is one of the most knowledgeable clerics of today and one of my favorites.

One of the wisest Muslim scholars. He puts most Muslim clerics to shame today.

Indeed he is great reformer in Iraq there is ayad jamal Al din and ahmed al qobanchi and ahmed al katib and many others

As for adnan Ibrahim the only thing I don't like about him when he use weak or invented hadiths in Sunni to Critize the ummayyads for example

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Indeed he is great reformer in Iraq there is ayad jamal Al din and ahmed al qobanchi and ahmed al katib and many others

As for adnan Ibrahim the only thing I don't like about him when he use weak or invented hadiths in Sunni to Critize the ummayyads for example

Many good scholars that are knowledgeable across all fields (even science) like in the old days were Muslim clerics where required to study philosophy, numerous sciences, morals, ethics and even ancient philosophies and other religions before they even became relevant. Today the standard is appalling in many Muslim countries where clerics even struggle with Quranic Arabic thus distorting Islam! You still have many Arab clerics belonging to the "old school" but they are dying in this day and age where our attention span lasts 10 minutes and where barking is easier and more effective for the masses.

#MBSShouldMakeSheikhHassanFarhanAlMalikiGrandMuftiofKSA

Clerics should be elitists like in the old days. Not every Tom, Dick and Harry should be allowed to be a relevant cleric.

 

[Metanoia]

Their Shrines??? Who give authority to Shias to declare Ahle Bayeth as their own? The majority of Muslims, the Sunnis, love and adore Ahle-Bayeth as much as you Shias do...

Yes, their Shrines. Majority of the visitors going visiting these Shrines are Shia and not Sunnis for whatever reasons. Which is fine, Sunnis have their own thing and Shias have their own. I don't believe in any sect.

If you are ok with Pakistani shias going to Syria to fight proxy battles of Iran then why you guys make noise when Pakistanis want to send forces into KSA....Then you guys chant for "neutrality" , blame people of "slave mentality" "lovers of Riyal"

Double standards? Iranians are creating trouble from Yemen to all the way up to Syria...They used Pakistani shia to spy for them in Germany...And you then blame people when they get pissed off at Iran...

Sir you're basing your post against conjecture. Please read the entirety of the discussion between myself and Saif and you'll find out exactly the scope of involvement of Pakistani Shias. You're jumping on the bandwagon by believing Pakistani Shias are a proxy for Iran. With all due respect you have no information of the inner workings/politics involving Shias. Majority of the Pakistanis are not pro-Vilayat, they're in the Sistani camp. Iran does not use Pakistani Shias and Iran does not need Pakistani Shias, Iran is a regional player with far more potent options.

Not a single Pakistani regardless of sect will ever resist or dispute sending Pakistani Armed forces under a legal mandate to defend the Holy sites. Heck if the Pakistani Sunnis feel like their specific Holy Sites are being threatened and the honour of their brethren, women, children is under threat then the should immediately seek action.

I have nothing against Shias. I don't like them when they abused our Sahabas (Radhi Allahu Tallah Anho)

Cursing is not part of the character of the Prophet(PBUH) and the Ahlul Bayt(as). Shias have quite a few exaggerators and extremists amongst them (The Ghulat sect) who curse, but believe you me cursing is the least of their shortcoming as compared to the other things they are involved in. Imam Ali(as) had Abdullah ibn Saba' burned due to this very reason.

That been said, history is not as rosy as it seems and there were some major issues in terms of succession and property. Shias believe in the Imamate of Ali(as) and his successors and NOT BELIEVING IN THE CALIPHATE of Abu Bakr(ra) or Umar(ra) DOES NOT MAKE ONE A NON-MUSLIM.

I would advise you to read, read and read from both, Shia sources and Sunni sources and non-Muslim sources to ascertain the Islamic history. That way you'll have a better understanding of the history and politics. Never ever, in your life, believe in hearsay and stories.

 

[Aramagedon]

@waz @Zaki @Irfan Baloch @Horus and others this @Saif al-Arab is just banned under this account @sharif al-hijaz aka @bilad al-haramain

Making multiple ids is against forum’s law. He’s been permanently banned for several times.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

@waz @Zaki @Irfan Baloch @Horus and others this @Saif al-Arab is just banned under this account @sharif al-hijaz aka @bilad al-haramain

Making multiple ids is against forum’s law. He’s been permanently banned for several times.

LOL. No permanent bans (unlike you) and no double user. My only second account has been merged after I recovered this profile (password). Already done by a moderator.

@SALMAN F

Quit the crying my Arab-obsessed keyboard warrior.

BTW, I don't care about bans. I was away for almost 1 month and in the past 2 days I have had time to be online. From tomorrow on no longer. So afraid of a ban, lol. Shaking just thinking about it. The horror of being banned from PDF.

 

[SALMAN F]

@waz @Zaki @Irfan Baloch @Horus and others this @Saif al-Arab is just banned under this account @sharif al-hijaz aka @bilad al-haramain

Making multiple ids is against forum’s law. He’s been permanently banned for several times.

Why you are making ht personal can you leave the person alone and discuss his ideas

Personal attacks used by people who can't win a discussion so they use cheap and dirty trick to run

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Why you are making ht personal can you leave the person alone and discuss his ideas

Personal attacks used by people who can't win a discussion so they use cheap and dirty trick to run

This individual and his friends are yet to successfully argue against any of my posts on PDF throughout the years. There is no comparison. It's like comparing Sheikh Hassan Farhan al-Maliki with this Iranian Mullah joke of a cleric below;

Take a look at all those Iranian adherents listening to such crap.

BTW let him and his friends bark. Historical facts won't change due to this nor is anyone taking anti-Arab keyboard warriors that are barking online seriously. Even remotely. So let him continue. Great entertainment. Like that Iranian user based in Norway that scored some incredibly own goals in this thread by posting utter nonsense in relation to Iraq.

 

[Metanoia]

@Saif al-Arab Have you heard of Sheikh Hamza Yusuf? He's a Maliki scholar.

 

[500]

Zionist pig in action. Yes there are Pakistanis in those brigades who are actively fighting the ISIS and Al Qaeda so further generations can stay safe. I know it hurts since it's very difficult for Mossad to train ISIS pigs who are easily killed by these volunteers.

They are fighting for Khamenai empire. Since Iranians don't want to die for Khamenai, they are recruiting these poor refugees without any rights.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

@Saif al-Arab Have you heard of Sheikh Hamza Yusuf? He's a Maliki scholar.

I have heard about him and I have watched a few of his lectures once many years ago. I got a good impression of him as he seemed as a learned person to me. He has a very good command of Classical Arabic too and history. No political biases either.

I don't follow any clerics blindly but I do prefer some (those I consider knowledgeable) over others.

However I also have watched theological and existential discussions between Muslim scientists, scholars and atheists as well as thinkers in general.

For instance I like this physicist

and he had a discussion about religion and the probability of a God with a well-known scholar from the UK of Arab origin whose name I cannot remember. A very interesting discussion.

Anyway when it comes to clerics I like people such as Farhan Hassan Al-Maliki and similar Saudi Arabian and Arab and Muslim clerics. I hope that more such people will gain influence among the public compared to other clerics.

As long as the cleric is learned he has my support. Just like as long as a scientist is learned, he has a support and I will read his work. Same view about rulers and politicians.

They are fighting for Khamenai empire. Since Iranians don't want to die for Khamenai, they are recruiting these poor refugees without any rights.

The Al-Assad regime is to be blamed for destroying Syria and enabling such crimes to occur for the sake of greed and staying more years in power. I would like to reach the insides of the brains of pro-Assadist Syrians (or at leasget an opportunity to see them scanned to spot any abnormalities) to understand their reasoning or lack of it.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Yes, their Shrines. Majority of the visitors going visiting these Shrines are Shia and not Sunnis for whatever reasons. Which is fine, Sunnis have their own thing and Shias have their own. I don't believe in any sect.



Sir you're basing your post against conjecture. Please read the entirety of the discussion between myself and Saif and you'll find out exactly the scope of involvement of Pakistani Shias. You're jumping on the bandwagon by believing Pakistani Shias are a proxy for Iran. With all due respect you have no information of the inner workings/politics involving Shias. Majority of the Pakistanis are not pro-Vilayat, they're in the Sistani camp. Iran does not use Pakistani Shias and Iran does not need Pakistani Shias, Iran is a regional player with far more potent options.

Not a single Pakistani regardless of sect will ever resist or dispute sending Pakistani Armed forces under a legal mandate to defend the Holy sites. Heck if the Pakistani Sunnis feel like their specific Holy Sites are being threatened and the honour of their brethren, women, children is under threat then the should immediately seek action.



Cursing is not part of the character of the Prophet(PBUH) and the Ahlul Bayt(as). Shias have quite a few exaggerators and extremists amongst them (The Ghulat sect) who curse, but believe you me cursing is the least of their shortcoming as compared to the other things they are involved in. Imam Ali(as) had Abdullah ibn Saba' burned due to this very reason.

That been said, history is not as rosy as it seems and there were some major issues in terms of succession and property. Shias believe in the Imamate of Ali(as) and his successors and NOT BELIEVING IN THE CALIPHATE of Abu Bakr(ra) or Umar(ra) DOES NOT MAKE ONE A NON-MUSLIM.

I would advise you to read, read and read from both, Shia sources and Sunni sources and non-Muslim sources to ascertain the Islamic history. That way you'll have a better understanding of the history and politics. Never ever, in your life, believe in hearsay and stories.

Thanks for such detailed post.

However, I disagree that Iran doesn't use Shias as proxy...Ever heard about Parachinar and Iran's involvement in it...

There was a rumor/news that there is a camp of Pasdaran-e-Inqilab in Parachinar.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

Have you paid Iran-Iraq war compensate?

Iran-Iraq war started as a result of provocations initiated by Iran under the Shah which was the superior military power, they decided to show their military might with aggression and intimidation towards Iraq. The story that you push that Saddam out of nowhere decided to invade Iran is a lie. There we occasional fire exchanges on the borders.

 

[Metanoia]

Thanks for such detailed post.

However, I disagree that Iran doesn't use Shias as proxy...Ever heard about Parachinar and Iran's involvement in it...

There was a rumor/news that there is a camp of Pasdaran-e-Inqilab in Parachinar.

Sure you can disagree, no issue.

Yes I have heard of Parachinar, and I suggest you take out some time to visit the place as well to clear misconceptions. Basically the Shia community is in an extremely tough position as it is right on the border with Afghanistan where they face constant attacks and bombings by TTP, ISIS and other extremist groups. It is surrounded by other hostile forces as well. Iranian involvement is extremely limited and for defensive purpose only because of the dire situation which arose at one point. Pakistan has a population of 220 million with 80-85% of total Muslims being Sunni. The vast majority of Shias, i.e. 15% are residing in Punjab and Sindh. It is completely illogical for the Iranian regime to invest in NEGLIGIBLE(but brave) few lakhs folks from Parachinar to gain any kind of political influence or clout. It's a laughable idea to be honest. Iran did send some supplies including arms and ammunitions akin to Pakistan sending ATGMs to the Bosnian Muslims in 1995 because of the genocide and rape of Muslims.

I mentioned in one of my posts here that religious issues transcends borders and nationalities. Iran will naturally step in to help the Shias of Pakistan if the government of Pakistan was incompetent. Likewise, I encourage and wish to see Sunnis take concrete step and lay their lives for Kashmiris and Rohingyas.

The following are the casualties and the onslaught faced by people of Parachinar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomb_blasts_in_Parachinar_since_2007