Iran-backed militias recruiting Pakistanis, Afghans to fight in Syria

[SALMAN F]

First of all there was an agreement by the name of Algeria agreement in 1975 that addressed border disputes that should have been respected...
Secondly Shah as you described is the one whom saved Saddam a$$ back in 1978 by informing him of a military coup within Iraq by Soviet Union:
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So what was the problem?

Khomeini did a great job by not accepting ceasefire:
1. there was no real meaningful peace plan which in the invader, compensation and returning to international borders would have been guaranteed till 598...
2. Saddam started the war consequently if he wanted "peace" simply he could have withdraw from Iranian territories to international recognized borders not only he didn't , he stayed in Iranian territories and called for ceasefire. silly ...
3. We couldn't trust a person like Saddam whom teared off an agreement recognized by the itself and the UNSC before the cameras and then he started the war...
4. His occupation of Kuwait proved Iran stance to not trust a maniac like him who attacked his people and also Iranian by CW ...

Moreover Iran-Iraq war had nothing to do with Iran Iraq problems it was a plot hatched by American and others :

And I am telling you those who like your post are the same guys whom bankrolled Iran Iraq war and later on cheered up the US invasion of Iraq and "oil-for-food programme" causing hundred thousands of Iraqi children death during 90s ..
if you wanna team up with somebody find someone that worth it ...

The shah himself supported a coup against Iraq in 1970

 

[Metanoia]

But you still didn't answer the question if the imam wants you to protect his grave in what's the point if going to him to ask for help how come you ask the imam to protect you while he needs you to protect his grave?

Imams and good dead people can't give protection or help only god can

Sir you're mixing two issues over here, one is completely theological(aqeedah) and the other is just worldly common sense(for a lack of a better word). It is evidently clear that only Allah helps and provide...we shall ask Allah for help or any of our needs. Imams only preserved the message of Tawheed and Unity better than anyone else.

Protecting the shrine does not translate to the Imams seeking protection from their Shia. Not at all. Imagine someone very close and dear to you is buried somewhere and you know for a fact that a group of thugs are going to utterly destroy his grave. Won't you protect it?

ISIL (Da'ash) Destroy Hazrat Younus A.S. Shrine

We can not stop shirk by blowing things up and killing people. If there's shirk taking place at the Shrines of the Imams and other Islamic personalities then it should be fought with a balanced approach. Education and harshness where applicable. Leaving the Shrines to be or destroying them, or letting them be destroyed by a third party is definitely not the solution.

 

[Aramagedon]

Mate, talking to wall is better then talking to that dog.

Sir you're mixing two issues over here, one is completely theological(aqeedah) and the other is just worldly common sense(for a lack of a better word). It is evidently clear that only Allah helps and provide...we shall ask Allah for help or any of our needs. Imams only preserved the message of Tawheed and Unity better than anyone else.

Protecting the shrine does not translate to the Imams seeking protection from their Shia. Not at all. Imagine someone very close and dear to you is buried somewhere and you know for a fact that a group of thugs are going to utterly destroy his grave. Won't you protect it?

ISIL (Da'ash) Destroy Hazrat Younus A.S. Shrine

We can not stop shirk by blowing things up and killing people. If there's shirk taking place at the Shrines of the Imams and other Islamic personalities then it should be fought with a balanced approach. Education and harshness where applicable. Leaving the Shrines to be or destroying them, or letting them be destroyed by a third party is definitely not the solution.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Sir you're mixing two issues over here, one is completely theological(aqeedah) and the other is just worldly common sense(for a lack of a better word). It is evidently clear that only Allah helps and provide...we shall ask Allah for help or any of our needs. Imams only preserved the message of Tawheed and Unity better than anyone else.

Protecting the shrine does not translate to the Imams seeking protection from their Shia. Not at all. Imagine someone very close and dear to you is buried somewhere and you know for a fact that a group of thugs are going to utterly destroy his grave. Won't you protect it?

ISIL (Da'ash) Destroy Hazrat Younus A.S. Shrine

We can not stop shirk by blowing things up and killing people. If there's shirk taking place at the Shrines of the Imams and other Islamic personalities then it should be fought with a balanced approach. Education and harshness where applicable. Leaving the Shrines to be or destroying them, or letting them be destroyed by a third party is definitely not the solution.

Shrines are not "Lambda" graves...
Shrines lead to "worshipping"... for X reasons...

Messenger of Allah didn't want neither have "Shrines"... That's tell you a lot about it...
And therefore it's a form of "Shirk"...

Then tell me...What is Karbala for you? What does that say?

 

[Metanoia]

Mate, talking to wall is better then talking to that dog.

Dude come on, why would you call him a dog? It's not how a follower of Ahlul Bayt would address someone/anyone.

Shrines are not "Lambda" graves...
Shrines lead to "worshipping"... for X reasons...

Not necessarily...for X reasons. It's not a hundred percent probable outcome that a shrine or mausoleum would lead to worshipping the relic or the personality associated with that particular place.

 

[Aramagedon]

Dude come on, why would you call him a dog? It's not how a follower of Ahlul Bayt would address someone/anyone.

He’s a wahhabi.

Dude come on, why would you call him a dog? It's not how a follower of Ahlul Bayt would address someone/anyone.



Not necessarily...for X reasons. It's not a hundred percent probable outcome that a shrine or mausoleum would lead to worshipping the relic or the personality associated with that particular place.

God orders to build a Shrine over bodies of Ashab al Kahf:

Thus did We make their case known to the people, that they might know that the promise of Allah is true, and that there can be no doubt about the Hour of Judgment. Behold, they dispute among themselves as to their affair. (Some) said, "Construct a building over them": Their Lord knows best about them: those who prevailed over their affair said, "Let us surely build a Masjid over them." [18:21]

 

[Metanoia]

He’s a wahhabi.

Assuming he's a wahabi, no problem. Engage with him in dialogue. Tell him why you differ from him politically or some theological perspective. Imams used to engage with quite a few hostile subjects without name calling.

 

[Aramagedon]

Assuming he's a wahabi, no problem. Engage with him in dialogue. Tell him why you differ from him politically or some theological perspective. Imams used to engage with quite a few hostile subjects without name calling.

Ok

 

[SALMAN F]

Sir you're mixing two issues over here, one is completely theological(aqeedah) and the other is just worldly common sense(for a lack of a better word). It is evidently clear that only Allah helps and provide...we shall ask Allah for help or any of our needs. Imams only preserved the message of Tawheed and Unity better than anyone else.

Protecting the shrine does not translate to the Imams seeking protection from their Shia. Not at all. Imagine someone very close and dear to you is buried somewhere and you know for a fact that a group of thugs are going to utterly destroy his grave. Won't you protect it?

ISIL (Da'ash) Destroy Hazrat Younus A.S. Shrine

We can not stop shirk by blowing things up and killing people. If there's shirk taking place at the Shrines of the Imams and other Islamic personalities then it should be fought with a balanced approach. Education and harshness where applicable. Leaving the Shrines to be or destroying them, or letting them be destroyed by a third party is definitely not the solution.

For me the existence of the shrines is useless mosques should be for worship only and they should be separated from shrines.

What I said is still clear they believe the imam have superpower and he can protect them but at the same time they want to protect the one who they believe he can protect them just reminds of the clowns who say they are defending god from the infidels which is insane because god created everything include the Muslims and the infidels how come god the creator of the universe ask his creatures to protect him from his other creatures?!

 

[HannibalBarca]

Not necessarily...for X reasons. It's not a hundred percent probable outcome that a shrine or mausoleum would lead to worshipping the relic or the personality associated with that particular place.

Consuming Alcohol will not necessarily lead to drunkenness/Losing yourself... and yet it's forbidden.
Why? Humans are not perfect... Humans and middle ground are not best friends...

 

[SALMAN F]

Assuming he's a wahabi, no problem. Engage with him in dialogue. Tell him why you differ from him politically or some theological perspective. Imams used to engage with quite a few hostile subjects without name calling.

These retarded takfiris accuse anyone that's doesn't agreed with them as Wahhabi
Just like how they accused adnan Ibrahim and hasan farhan al Maliki of shiasm they also accuse the likes of ali shariati as Wahhabis

 

[Metanoia]

Messenger of Allah didn't want neither have "Shrines"... That's tell you a lot about it...
And therefore it's a form of "Shirk"...

See this is a very vital issue. The issue of shirk. It is the number 1 most gravest sin and I am not talking about you in particular, but people throwing around this word as if it's nothing is ignorance and arrogance of the highest order. Mistakenly labelling an individual or a group of individuals as Mushrik leads to devastating consequences.

Does shirk takes place at the tombs? Yes. Is maintaining or marking a grave of a revered personality equivalent to shirk? No. Is sending peace or blessings upon those revered personalities equivalent to shirk? No.

Is asking help or prostrating to their graves shirk? Yes. No matter the intention it's borderline shirk. Education and a balanced approach in terms of applicable harshness is the way to go to eradicate malpractices.

Humans and middle ground are not best friends...

Correct, yet it is the best way. Gotta try harder and harder as there are no short-cuts.Short cuts lead to disasters.

 

[Aramagedon]

Masjid is mentioned in Quran for 21 times.

www.tanzil.net/#search/quran/%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AC%D8%AF

Masjid are places to become close to Allah.

The best Masjids are shrines of Ahlulbayt.

Shrine of Prophet Muhammad (S):

Shrine of Salman al Farsi in Maida Iraq:

 

[Metanoia]

For me the existence of the shrines is useless mosques should be for worship only and they should be separated from shrines.

What I said is still clear they believe the imam have superpower and he can protect them but at the same time they want to protect the one who they believe he can protect them just reminds of the clowns who say they are defending god from the infidels which is insane because god created everything include the Muslims and the infidels how come god the creator of the universe ask his creatures to protect him from his other creatures?!

God wants his subject to struggle in His name for their own sake. This is a temporary life. An illusionary fleeting life. Hereafter is where we'll ultimately end therefore there's no rest for the weary.

 

[HannibalBarca]

See this is a very vital issue. The issue of shirk. It is the number 1 most gravest sin and I am not talking about you in particular, but people throwing around this word as if it's nothing is ignorance and arrogance of the highest order. Mistakenly labelling an individual or a group of individuals as Mushrik leads to devastating consequences.

Does shirk takes place at the tombs? Yes. Is maintaining or marking a grave of a revered personality equivalent to shirk? No. Is sending peace or blessings upon those revered personalities equivalent to shirk? No.

Is asking help or prostrating to their graves shirk? Yes. No matter the intention it's borderline shirk. Education and a balanced approach in terms of applicable harshness is the way to go to eradicate malpractices.

I will not take your first comment personally...
Where did I call "A group" of being Mushrik?
But what I call "Shirk" is the practice of Worshipping... other than ALLAH...

When someone take the time to ask " Something" in a shrine instead of asking ALLAH is shirk...
And what is happening in those Shrine MOST of the time is such practice...
Shrines Invite many to fall in shirk...

And with time...it become "Normal" and part of the tradition... Many don't know they are doing something Haram... Till someone/thing reminds them...

And last... shrine have no meaning to exist... When prophet themselves do not have it...no Normal Man/Woman should either... if ofc you think yourself as Muslim...