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Iran-backed militias recruiting Pakistanis, Afghans to fight in Syria

Shrines are not "Lambda" graves...
Shrines lead to "worshipping"... for X reasons...

Messenger of Allah didn't want neither have "Shrines"... That's tell you a lot about it...
And therefore it's a form of "Shirk"...

Then tell me...What is Karbala for you? What does that say?
Do Sunnis religious figures have shrine?

But you still didn't answer the question if the imam wants you to protect his grave in what's the point if going to him to ask for help how come you ask the imam to protect you while he needs you to protect his grave?

Imams and good dead people can't give protection or help only god can

First don't protect Kabba , isn't God able to protect his house?
And how Jesus made dead people alive after being dead for a long time?
 
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Yes, I will be perfectly fine if an Iranian volunteerily joins Pak Army or get paid to fight Pakistan's wars. Because that's what he/she has decided. I wouldn't beat myself up about it.

Don't know whether you are serious or not...

Iran did send some supplies including arms and ammunitions akin to Pakistan sending ATGMs to the Bosnian Muslims in 1995 because of the genocide and rape of Muslims.

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I mentioned in one of my posts here that religious issues transcends borders and nationalities. Iran will naturally step in to help the Shias of Pakistan if the government of Pakistan was incompetent. Likewise, I encourage and wish to see Sunnis take concrete step and lay their lives for Kashmiris and Rohingyas.

The following are the casualties and the onslaught faced by people of Parachinar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomb_blasts_in_Parachinar_since_2007

So, if Pakistan raise voice for Iranian Sunnis...You're sure Iranians will like it?

Pakistan helped Bosnians and then ended the aid. We don't have any relations with those groups who we helped at one time. We have relations with their government..

Unlike Iranians we don't have relations with groups/individuals...We go for relations with governments...Iranians bypass government and establish relations with groups, turn them into proxy and use it for her own advantage....Just like Houthis of Yemen. No country will allow her citizens to directed/manipulated by other power...Tomorrow if war happens b/w Iran and Pakistan, assume it for a moment...where will those manipulated Shias side with?

Iranians don't help Shias...They destroy the credibility of Shias by making them suspected in their own country...People start doubting on loyalty and patriotism of Shias....

Shias are being manipulated by Iranians under banner of Shia card...
 
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Of course God needs people to protect his house.

Pakistan committed to protect Al Haramain Sharifain, COAS Gen. Bajwa tells Saudi King Salman
https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/hea...es-security-situation-with-saudi-king-salman/

Pakistan capable of protecting holy sites: Imam-e-Kaa’ba
https://tribune.com.pk/story/137909...rding-sacred-islamic-sites-says-imam-e-kaaba/
It just shows their hypocrisy, as if they don't know there are many Sunni shrines ...

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And the only one that couldn't have been tolerated was shrine of household of the prophet which was destroyed by the same animals who were destroying and attacking shrines in Syria and Iraq :
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But about what you said:
Sure he is able to do so but what is our duty?
Sure God could feed all hungers but what is our duty?
Sure God could stop bad from spreading but what is our duty?
Sure God could protect his holly shrines of his Prophet (pbuh&hh) and his household but what is our duty?
 
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So, if Pakistan raise voice for Iranian Sunnis...You're sure Iranians will like it?

Pakistan helped Bosnians and then ended the aid. We don't have any relations with those groups who we helped at one time. We have relations with their government..

Unlike Iranians we don't have relations with groups/individuals...We go for relations with governments...Iranians bypass government and establish relations with groups, turn them into proxy and use it for her own advantage....Just like Houthis of Yemen. No country will allow her citizens to directed/manipulated by other power...Tomorrow if war happens b/w Iran and Pakistan, assume it for a moment...where will those manipulated Shias side with?

Iranians don't help Shias...They destroy the credibility of Shias by making them suspected in their own country...People start doubting on loyalty and patriotism of Shias....

Shias are being manipulated by Iranians under banner of Shia card...

Hypothetically, if the Iranian Sunnis in any part of Iran are being massacred and their blood being shed, it will be incumbent/mandatory/duty/responsibility upon Pakistan or any other Sunni country to reach out to them and help with with all possible means. Sir this what common sense dictates. If the Iranian govt. is ineffective in stopping the massacre or whatever...it shouldn't matter for the Sunnis!! The obligation of helping out your brethren in faith far surpasses the validation of any particular regime or international body.

Brother, this man was an ex-Ismaeli who later converted to Twelver Shiaism. He fought for a separate homeland for a Muslim majority who did not share his belief and later on abandoned him. Would you like to guess as to which Muslim sect did the entities or political parties belonged to who opposed the creation of Pakistan? Food for thought in terms of Pakistani Shias and their loyalty.

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Another food for thought brother in terms of loyalty to Pakistan, which sect does those people belong or at least profess to belong to who constantly blow themselves up and kill our soldiers on behest of foreign non-Muslim powers?

No "Structure" should be build upon a mud/Dirt grave... NONE.
Shrine in Islam is by definition not allowed...

But you see that's what you believe, and you must have reached this conclusion by your own research etc. which is completely fine. However, I can tell you with certainty that the Shias, or any other sect who does not see anything wrong with Shrines have done their own exhaustive research, have their own take on history of centuries to come to a different conclusion. You may disagree with it or agree with it, it's your prerogative.

Building a shrine will give an "Holiness" to that particular "entity"
It will give an opportunity to "some" people to engage in shirk... By thinking to get "Something"...

Again, the shirk does take place, but that shirk has no basis in any religious scriptures or texts. it stems from utter deviation and ignorance. Also, as I have previously mentioned, the scale of shirk actually taking place can not be determined.

"Holiness" to a particular "entity" is very subjective. In Shiism, the Imams are considered the vicegerents of Prophet(PBUH). Shias have to strictly remain and work within the framework of what the Prophet(PBUH) and the Imams(as) have prescribed. Suffice to say the Prophet and the Imams were perfection of balance, therefore if one is to follow their teachings there shall be no deviation, let alone shirk. Shirk has to be fought...shirk is the chief problem. Shirk does not stem from Shrines etc.

You can pay your respect and send your blessing to someone...without "Visiting" his grave...and if you do, it will be the standard "Visit" of a grave... that every Human do...

You're correct, but then again, it's a matter of belief and different school of thought. There will always be variations in some aspects. If the Shias have authentic, verified traditions from their Imams to visit the resting place of the Imams who were martyred and pay their respects to them, then who is to stop them. Those who don't believe in the Imams shall not visit. Imams have also showed the way as to how to offer respect properly. all these prostrations before an image of Imam Ali(as) or prostrating on the graves, or asking directly from the Imams have been explicitly forbidden. You can raise the shrine, all that'll do is push the shirk inside of their mushriks' private gathering, far from even putting a dent on this curse.

I would highly recommend you, if you have time, to immerse yourself for a while in reading Islamic history and traditions from the earliest of sources, Shia and Sunni both.
 
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The so called shrine whose being used by the Iranians and its stooges and cannon fodders in Pakistan and others as an excuse to "defend it" is a bile of bs to say the least. Everyone knows the excuse was just to defend the despotic Assad regime and fight "Wahabis" (Sunnis)) not any shrine. Now the Iranian regime is enforcing Israeli style ethnic cleansing and the violation of the sanctity of human life thats is being perpetuated in Syria, is far more severe than the desturction of the Kaabah itself, let alone a fake majoosi pagan shrine.
 
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The so called shrine whose being used by the Iranians and its stooges and cannon fodders in Pakistan and others as an excuse to "defend it" is a bile of bs to say the least. Everyone knows the excuse was just to defend the despotic Assad regime and fight "Wahabis" (Sunnis)) not any shrine. Now the Iranian regime is enforcing Israeli style ethnic cleansing and the violation of the sanctity of human life thats is being perpetuated in Syria, is far more severe than the desturction of the Kaabah itself, let alone a fake majoosi pagan shrine.
Seriously saying dude, with these kinds of words, pagan, majoos or whatever, one day you will force us to shake the earth beneath youth feet in Riyadh.

The ISIS seed that your sectarian mofos planted in Syria is on backfire mode. Except for holy Hijaz, we are allowed to raze any spot on peninsula, so please stop playing with our nerves. Kiss Israeli balls, we don't give a flying fk about you unless we are forced to turn our face from Israel to your Abdul Wahab made land.
 
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Hypothetically, if the Iranian Sunnis in any part of Iran are being massacred and their blood being shed, it will be incumbent/mandatory/duty/responsibility upon Pakistan or any other Sunni country to reach out to them and help with with all possible means. Sir this what common sense dictates. If the Iranian govt. is ineffective in stopping the massacre or whatever...it shouldn't matter for the Sunnis!! The obligation of helping out your brethren in faith far surpasses the validation of any particular regime or international body.

Brother, this man was an ex-Ismaeli who later converted to Twelver Shiaism. He fought for a separate homeland for a Muslim majority who did not share his belief and later on abandoned him. Would you like to guess as to which Muslim sect did the entities or political parties belonged to who opposed the creation of Pakistan? Food for thought in terms of Pakistani Shias and their loyalty.

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Another food for thought brother in terms of loyalty to Pakistan, which sect does those people belong or at least profess to belong to who constantly blow themselves up and kill our soldiers on behest of foreign non-Muslim powers?

hmm...All I want to say that as easy the history appears , things are quite complex :)

I am getting your point...But I think jamate islami repented their opposition to Pakistan by siding with Pak army in Bangladesh...
 
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This Salamn F guy has some serious mental issue.A year ago I was having debate with him.He was criticizing the sunnis which I did not like and I confronted him.He told me that he was an ex shia muslim but it was visible from his posts that he still has soft corner for his former sect.But fast forward to 2018 he is making fun of shia shrines.That does not make sense.He seems a pretty confused guy.

unless we are forced to turn our face from Israel
Seriously bro ,what is your problem with Israel ? Last time I checked Israel has occupied a sunni Muslim majority land.It does not involve shia Muslims. Its not like that you have a love lost for Sunnis (and vice versa) you are collaborating with a regime which is responsible for the deaths of Syrian Sunnis.So why this support for Palestinian Sunnis ?
 
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This Salamn F guy has some serious mental issue.A year ago I was having debate with him.He was criticizing the sunnis which I did not like and I confronted him.He told me that he was an ex shia muslim but it was visible from his posts that he still has soft corner for his former sect.But fast forward to 2018 he is making fun of shia shrines.That does not make sense.He seems a pretty confused guy.


Seriously bro ,what is your problem with Israel ? Last time I checked Israel has occupied a sunni Muslim majority land.It does not involve shia Muslims. Its not like that you have a love lost for Sunnis (and vice versa) you are collaborating with a regime which is responsible for the deaths of Syrian Sunnis.So why this support for Palestinian Sunnis ?
They have Syrian blood on their hands too, there is no difference between Muslim lives, everyone of them matters.

But the truth, those terrorists that are supported by USA The supporter of Israel, are receiving cash and equipment from Israel and NATO members to keep on slaughtering Syrians. So the killer of Palestinians and Syrians are the same, one of them is using Jewish laws, the other one has abused Islamic slogans as a cover.

Most importantly, Palestinians Sunnis are exceptional, they are religious and indeed one of the bests of Muslim masses. They refuted the suggestion of Imperialists to leave Quds and settle down in Jordan. They are standing for first Qibla bare handedly, while they had been offered land and wealth in Jordan. They are exceptional Muslims, like Hezbollah that never bowed down to Americans and fought for freedom of Lebanon,

In that area, you have no Shia, no Sunni, they are fighting for one reason, hand in hand to liberate the holy Quds, there is no division among Muslims. A beautiful and a holy war is ongoing there, we are not gonna drop them for economic or political reasons. That's all
 
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It's compensation is a leader for Iraq from Nujaba party, in the same way that Hezbollah guaranteed safety of Lebanon against Saudi Israeli funded terror groups, they can save Iraq from sedition I mean saving both Shia and Sunni from American designed plots -
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...I remember innocently asking at one of these meetings if the March 14 movement had considered taking the parliament building by force as Serbian activists had in Belgrade when they ousted Slobodan Milosovic from power.

Everyone in the room wanted to do it. But they didn’t dare. “There will be blood in the streets,” Asma Andraos told me. They weren’t worried the Syrians would kill them. They were worried Hezbollah fighters might storm out of the dahiyeh and massacre the liberals on behalf of Damascus.
 
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...I remember innocently asking at one of these meetings if the March 14 movement had considered taking the parliament building by force as Serbian activists had in Belgrade when they ousted Slobodan Milosovic from power.

Everyone in the room wanted to do it. But they didn’t dare. “There will be blood in the streets,” Asma Andraos told me. They weren’t worried the Syrians would kill them. They were worried Hezbollah fighters might storm out of the dahiyeh and massacre the liberals on behalf of Damascus.
You are so funny, where did you get this non sense?
 
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You are so funny, where did you get this non sense?
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MICHAEL J. TOTTEN is a contributing editor for World Affairs, The Tower magazine, and a Middle East Forum writing fellow. He has reported from the Middle East, the Balkans, and the former Soviet Union, and he is the author of seven books, including The Road to Fatima Gate, which won the Washington Institute Silver Book Prize in 2011. His work has also appeared in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, The Atlantic and numerous other publications. He lives in Oregon and is a former resident of Beirut...
 
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