Iran-backed militias recruiting Pakistanis, Afghans to fight in Syria

[Saif al-Arab]

Well, its only made up statements in the minds of the deniers. Sure, go ahead and recruit your camel friends, but nothing changes the fact that Iran is controlling Iraq. KSA has no history. The islamic contributions you talk about were made by Iranians and some Iraqis and some people of the levants. No one from KSA...

Its not your ancient semitic cultures. You are arab not Assyrian.... Nobody wants to compete with Arabs except for maybe daesh and al qaeda which is arab culture at it's finest. Its extra funny that you mention that arabs invented the beginning of writing when the one who invented arab grammar was Iranian.

Have a nice discussion with metonia about syria

Sure, whatever floats your boat. Iranian influence in tiny Southern Lebanon and a few militias in Iraq = Iran controls all 20 Arab countries and 500 million Arabs while having zero influence in 90% of all Arab countries. Nice joke.

Meanwhile this is the reality of Iran for the past 1400 years:

Iran has no history. It's entire pre-Islamic culture is a copy of Semitic civilizations and cultures originally from Arabia. For the past 1400 year they have been more Arab than Iranian. Almost completely Arabized.

Most scientists and famous Muslim figures were Arabs. That's a well-known fact.

Sure, Iranian camels and donkeys are such great that they are 100 times more Arabized than any Arab is Persinized.

Assyrians are just one Semitic people and their history is dwarfed by other Semitic peoples and besides that Assyrians and Arabs are closely related people (similar to Persians and stateless Kurds) and have the same origin.

LOL. Arab grammar was invented 1000 year prior to Islam. Do you know what a systematic system is or standardization? Sure, a supposed Persian who was taught by his Arab teachers and who was fully Arabized (as per his name) and who was born in Arab lands. He was probably as Persian as Khamenei is Arab today.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Most scientists and famous Muslim figures were Arabs. That's a well-known fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Musa_al-Khwarizmi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryam_Mirzakhani

 

[Metanoia]

Why is it that I have watched many videos from Syria where Mongoloid, Afghan, Pakistani-looking mercenaries have been arrested or either killed by FSA-like groups since at least 2013? Where did they jump down from? The sky? I did not see any shrines in sight.

That's far from concrete or credible proof. My post# 13 on page 1: The Pakistanis defending the Holy Shrines and the honour of the Shias are handful (Liwa Zainabiyoun). All the pictures posted in the opening post are those of the officially recognized and an official paramilitary Iranian force of Liwa Fatemiyoun which comprises of Afghans living in Iran.

Those "mongoloid" looking folks are members of Liwa Fatemiyoun.

BTW, once again, which are those "shrines" that you are talking about? From what I am aware of there is only 1 shrine. And whether it contains the remains is a big IF, as most scholars believe it is located in Cairo, Egypt.

Regardless, it's something which is revered by the Shias and they go there for pilgrimage. The salafis would have raised it to the ground similar to what they did in other parts of Syria and Iraq. Defence was necessary and sectarian religious conflicts transcends ethnicity and nationalities.

Turkey is bordering Syria directly. KSA is busy with Yemen (a much bigger conflict than anything the Turks are doing in tiny Afrin using mostly the FSA as foot soldiers). And who tells you that I am in favor of KSA carving up Syria like the likes of Russia, Iran and Turkey? I am not.

Bashar should go but you are supporting him? How does that makes any sense? BTW where have I supported Daesh or similar-minded groups to take over instead of Al-Assad? The answer is never. I think that you know my views by now. I want to see a strong and independent Syria that is part of the Arab family (regime, people will always be and are) and not hijacked by hostile regimes or shooting itself in the foot. Look, the Al-Assad regime can be allied/friendly with the Mullah's in Iran like prior to 2011 for all I care. Just like KSA had somewhat cordial relations with the Al-ASsad regime prior to 2011. Let me remind you of some facts. Syrian soldiers fought alongside Saudi Arabian soldiers when Kuwait was liberated. Al-Assad and House of Saud members have intermarried (yes, as shocking as it sounds), Bashar visited KSA and vice versa several times before the Syrian civil war, including opening KAUST back in 2009 along with other leaders etc.

Man my question was very straightforward. There are ON RECORD, blood of Turkish soldiers fighting besides FSA and Northern Syrian Arab Sunnis. The Turks have provided them with security and territory in the form of Euphrates Shield and now Olive Branch. With all due respect please stick to the main point, I don't care about intermarriages or KAUST....where's the GCC? You said that you personally want to see a "strong and independent Syria that is part of the Arab family (regime, people will always be and are) and not hijacked by hostile regimes or shooting itself in the foot". How do you reckon things will play out if GCC merely sits on their arse? Of course the Turks, the Iranians, the Russians are going to win. They are on the ground shedding their own blood as well, no matter how small the quantity.

Am I right in assuming that it is because of the absence of a father figure for the Syrian Arab Sunnis who would have played a remarkable role in leadership which led to the salafist groups filling that very vacuum causing the entire movement to fall apart? The only way to realize your highlighted vision is to directly involve yourself.

What happened to the "Arab NATO"? Saudia can mobilize countries such as Egypt, Sudan, UAE etc. for Yemen, but can't do the same for Syria where the people are yearning for them? Despite having US, Jordan and other countries which will readily support them both diplomatically and militarily? As you said Syria is majority Sunni, Saudi will not have any problem whatsoever in terms of manpower and on the ground support. What else do you need?! Go ahead and kick out the foreigners!! No need to carve up Syria.

 

[mangekyo]

Sure, whatever floats your boat. Iranian influence in tiny Southern Lebanon and a few militias in Iraq = Iran controls all 20 Arab countries and 500 million Arabs while having zero influence in 90% of all Arab countries. Nice joke.

Meanwhile this is the reality of Iran for the past 1400 years:

Iran has no history. It's entire pre-Islamic culture is a copy of Semitic civilizations and cultures originally from Arabia. For the past 1400 year they have been more Arab than Iranian. Almost completely Arabized.

Most scientists and famous Muslim figures were Arabs. That's a well-known fact.

Sure, Iranian camels and donkeys are such great that they are 100 times more Arabized than any Arab is Persinized.

Assyrians are just one Semitic people and their history is dwarfed by other Semitic peoples and besides that Assyrians and Arabs are closely related people (similar to Persians and stateless Kurds) and have the same origin.

LOL. Arab grammar was invented 1000 year prior to Islam. Do you know what a systematic system is or standardization? Sure, a supposed Persian who was taught by his Arab teachers and who was fully Arabized (as per his name) and who was born in Arab lands. He was probably as Persian as Khamenei is Arab today.

Nah, Iran doesnt control all arab countries, Iran controls Iraq, Syria and Lebanon. But, Iran have put a leash on all arab countries...

I dont know what you're blabbering about, why would Iran copy inferior arab culture where it was a standard for fathers to bury their daughters alive?

Only muslim countries with history is Iran and Turkey who 400 years ago came to an agreement to never wage war on each other again. Settling our borders once and for all, unlike arab countries that had its borders and fake countries made by the British. Even arab flags are designed by a british man.

Arab grammar was invented by :

Abū Bishr ʻAmr ibn ʻUthmān ibn Qanbar Al-Baṣrī (c. 760–796, Arabic: أبو بشر عمرو بن عثمان بن قنبر البصري‎), commonly known as Sībawayhor Sībawayhi[4] (سيبويه, an Arabized form or rather misreading of the Middle Persian name Sēbōē, modern pronunciation Sēbōya or Sībūye) was a Persian linguist and grammarian of Arabic language. His seminal work, Al-Kitāb, was the first written grammar of the language.[5] Despite his significance to the development of the Arabic language and linguistic tradition, Sibawayh was an ethnic Persian[6]and was not a native speaker of Arabic, having learned the language later in life. He has been referred to as the greatest of all Arabic linguists and one of the greatest linguists of all time in any language.[7]

 

[Saif al-Arab]

That's far from concrete or credible proof. My post# 13 on page 1: The Pakistanis defending the Holy Shrines and the honour of the Shias are handful (Liwa Zainabiyoun). All the pictures posted in the opening post are those of the officially recognized and an official paramilitary Iranian force of Liwa Fatemiyoun which comprises of Afghans living in Iran.

Those "mongoloid" looking folks are members of Liwa Fatemiyoun.



Regardless, it's something which is revered by the Shias and they go there for pilgrimage. The salafis would have raised it to the ground similar to what they did in other parts of Syria and Iraq. Defence was necessary and sectarian religious conflicts transcends ethnicity and nationalities.



Man my question was very straightforward. There are ON RECORD, blood of Turkish soldiers fighting besides FSA and Northern Syrian Arab Sunnis. The Turks have provided them with security and territory in the form of Euphrates Shield and now Olive Branch. With all due respect please stick to the main point, I don't care about intermarriages or KAUST....where's the GCC? You said that you personally want to see a "strong and independent Syria that is part of the Arab family (regime, people will always be and are) and not hijacked by hostile regimes or shooting itself in the foot". How do you reckon things will play out if GCC merely sits on their arse? Of course the Turks, the Iranians, the Russians are going to win. They are on the ground shedding their own blood as well, no matter how small the quantity.

Am I right in assuming that it is because of the absence of a father figure for the Syrian Arab Sunnis who would have played a remarkable role in leadership which led to the salafist groups filling that very vacuum causing the entire movement to fall apart? The only way to realize your highlighted vision is to directly involve yourself.

What happened to the "Arab NATO"? Saudia can mobilize countries such as Egypt, Sudan, UAE etc. for Yemen, but can't do the same for Syria where the people are yearning for them? Despite having US, Jordan and other countries which will readily support them both diplomatically and militarily? As you said Syria is majority Sunni, Saudi will not have any problem whatsoever in terms of manpower and on the ground support. What else do you need?! Go ahead and kick out the foreigners!! No need to carve up Syria.

Obviously I cannot post such videos nor do I bother looking for them but they exist there and are numerous. A simple Google search will confirm their many casualties across all of Syria. To believe that they are just guarding some shrine 24/7 is pretty naive, don't you think?

Also you are constantly writing "shrines". Which shrines are that? Please educate me here and viewers.

So you do not care about historical accuracy but prefer to worship imaginary and non-historical shrine and use that as an excuse for the consistent oppression, killing and destruction of Syria by the Al-Assad regime? Don't get your logic.

Just say Daesh or radical Jihadi groups. Branding 85% of the Syrian population and every anti-Al-Assad Syrian as a "Salafi" is not being honest. Likewise not all Salafis are Jihadists and for instance those in Egypt do not go around murdering Copts or targeting their churches. Ibn Taymiyyah was born in Syria. He was an Syrian Arab. Hanbalism and Salafi creeds always had a presence in Syria. That is why the niqab was worn by conservative Syrian Sunni women, even non-Arabs such as Turkmen and Chechens living in Syria.

At most 100 casualties. This is nothing.

Once again, KSA is involved in Yemen which is a 100 times bigger conflict and venture than Turkey's intervention in tiny Afrin (backed by mainly FSA foot soldiers) or Iran sending a few stateless Afghan refugees living in Iran or a few military advisers. KSA does not border Syria. KSA cannot be involved in both Yemen and Syria at the same time. No regional country can fight two wars at the same time. In recent time only the US did it (Iraq and Afghanistan).

Or maybe it could have something to do with the honest truth that Salafis usually are those that do the talking and dancing while most others are not like that? And no, I am not a Salafi, lol. Usually in armed conflicts in Muslim nations (if you notice) Jihadist momements will gain the upper hand just like in Afghanistan. Who is defending the Rohingya in Burma? Sufis or armed Jihadist like rebels?

Who was most vocal against the US occupation in Iraq? Same story.

Who tells you that I am in agreement with how the Syrian affair was handled? Every anti-Al-Assad country, Turkey included, made a mistake by not involving themselves from day one directly. People were sleeping until the Russian's turned up and changed the cause of the war using brute and indiscriminate force. US included. At least KSA had an excuse called Yemen (3 years) and tons of other things (important) happening. Same story with Turkey btw by large.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

Recently an Iranian politician spoke of controlling Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen. Iraqi foreign ministry replied, even the Badr brigades (led by Hadi al Ameri) replied against it. Iranians should stop expecting Iraqis to thank them as if they did major favor for supplying some arms in 2014. FYI Iraq supplied Iran with 50% of its air force in 1990.

Iran is not powerful, it is weak on many fronts including the military front. That said with such comments from Iranian officials the only thing you achieve is angering Iraqis which will be a problem for you in the future once again. If you think people in Iraq fear Iran or view it as grand-daddy you must be delusional, get rid of the ego.

In Syria Iran has little influence and the Shi'a militia's that saved Assad are nearly entirely Iraqis as well. Jomhuri Ye Eslami should not get too arrogant.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Nah, Iran doesnt control all arab countries, Iran controls Iraq, Syria and Lebanon. But, Iran have put a leash on all arab countries...

I dont know what you're blabbering about, why would Iran copy inferior arab culture where it was a standard for fathers to bury their daughters alive?

Only muslim countries with history is Iran and Turkey who 400 years ago came to an agreement to never wage war on each other again. Settling our borders once and for all, unlike arab countries that had its borders and fake countries made by the British. Even arab flags are designed by a british man.

Arab grammar was invented by :

Abū Bishr ʻAmr ibn ʻUthmān ibn Qanbar Al-Baṣrī (c. 760–796, Arabic: أبو بشر عمرو بن عثمان بن قنبر البصري‎), commonly known as Sībawayhor Sībawayhi[4] (سيبويه, an Arabized form or rather misreading of the Middle Persian name Sēbōē, modern pronunciation Sēbōya or Sībūye) was a Persian linguist and grammarian of Arabic language. His seminal work, Al-Kitāb, was the first written grammar of the language.[5] Despite his significance to the development of the Arabic language and linguistic tradition, Sibawayh was an ethnic Persian[6]and was not a native speaker of Arabic, having learned the language later in life. He has been referred to as the greatest of all Arabic linguists and one of the greatest linguists of all time in any language.[7]

LOL. You control tiny Southern Lebanon (in fact Hezbollah does) and some militias in Iraq that can easily be crushed. Nothing more and nothing less. If that is control of 500 million Arabs (LOL) and 20 + Arab countries to you, then I have to conclude that you are more insane than I thought or just trolling harder than usual.

@TheCamelGuy

There is no historical proof of that. In fact in pre-Islamic times Arab women and Semitic women had more rights than most others. This on the other hand is well-recorded. Just like Iranians marrying their own sisters is well-recorded and practicing incest (religiously sanctioned).

https://sonsofsunnah.com/2015/02/10/marrige-between-mother-son/

BTW if that was the case, there would be no Arab women left. Yet Arabs had more ancient queens than anybody in the region and some of the most famous in the world (Queen Sheba, Queen Zenobia), most located in Arabia.

People should not forget that some of the oldest recorded female rulers in the world (as well as some of the most famous - Queen Sheba and Queen Zenobia) emerged in Arabia and the Arab world. Arab queens/rulers such as Queen Sheba (almost 3000 years ago), Queen Shamsi (ruled almost 3000 years ago) Queen Zabibe (almost 3000 years ago), Queen Mavia (1600 years ago), Queen Yatie (almost 3000 years ago) and Queen Zenobia (1750 years ago).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_Sheba

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zabibe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mavia_(queen)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yatie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenobia

Even an Arab women became de facto the only Caliph in history during the Fatimid era. Sitt al-Mulk (1021-1036).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitt_al-Mulk

On the other hand, can you mention a single women ruler of Iran?

Once again, Arabic grammar existed 1000 years prior to Islam. In fact Semites gave you Persians an alphabet when you appeared in history some 2500 years ago. You had no alphabet prior to that and it was based on the Semitic Phoenician alphabet. Just like you use the Arabic alphabet today. Your Cyrus the Great made the Semitic Aramaic (closely related to Arabic) the lingua franca too, lol.

Yes, some fully Arabized scholar TAUGHT by Arab scholars, with an Arab name, born, breed and died in Arab lands made a book about Arabic grammar. Good. Shows the Arab influence that supposed Arabized Persians were contributing to the great Arabic language. Congratulations. Must be a honor.

BTW, not going to waste my time any longer. Have a nice day.

Recently an Iranian politician spoke of controlling Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen. Iraqi foreign ministry replied, even the Badr brigades (led by Hadi al Ameri) replied against it. Iranians should stop expecting Iraqis to thank them as if they did major favor for supplying some arms in 2014. FYI Iraq supplied Iran with 50% of its air force in 1990.

Iran is not powerful, it is weak on many fronts including the military front. That said with such comments from Iranian officials the only thing you achieve is angering Iraqis which will be a problem for you in the future once again. If you think people in Iraq fear Iran or view it as grand-daddy you must be delusional, get rid of the ego.

In Syria Iran has little influence and the Shi'a militia's that saved Assad are nearly entirely Iraqis as well. Jomhuri Ye Eslami should not get too arrogant.

Please don't insult MIGHTY ARYAN ERAAAN by stating some well-known facts! Iran controls the entire Arab world. That's why Iran has waged wars against all Arab countries and conquered the entire Arab world and Persianized it. We are all Majoosi today. While we speak they are invading Bahrain and tomorrow it will be Iraq's turn! Time to learn Persian. Persian using the Arabic alphabet and having 1000's of Arabic loanwords (huge percentage of the vocubularly) will help us though. Not sure about the accent though.



We must follow the Supreme Leader, God's representative on planet earth! Obey.

Good Arabic btw. Surprised. Good Iranian Arab.

 

[mangekyo]

Recently an Iranian politician spoke of controlling Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen. Iraqi foreign ministry replied, even the Badr brigades (led by Hadi al Ameri) replied against it. Iranians should stop expecting Iraqis to thank them as if they did major favor for supplying some arms in 2014. FYI Iraq supplied Iran with 50% of its air force in 1990.

Iran is not powerful, it is weak on many fronts including the military front. That said with such comments from Iranian officials the only thing you achieve is angering Iraqis which will be a problem for you in the future once again. If you think people in Iraq fear Iran or view it as grand-daddy you must be delusional, get rid of the ego.

In Syria Iran has little influence and the Shi'a militia's that saved Assad are nearly entirely Iraqis as well. Jomhuri Ye Eslami should not get too arrogant.

Had it not been for Iran, half your country would belong to Kurds and other half to Daesh. Have you already forgot that when your Arab army escaped from the battlefield and your cities were conquered one by one, It was Iran that armed you, funded you, organized you, trained you, and even sent martyrs protecting ungrateful people like you?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Had it not been for Iran, half your country would belong to Kurds and other half to Daesh. Have you already forgot that when your Arab army escaped from the battlefield and your cities were conquered one by one, It was Iran that armed you, funded you, organized you, trained you, and even Sendt martyrs protecting ungrateful people like you?

Do you even believe the utter nonsense that you are writing? Let me guess, your familiarity with Iraq and the Arab world most likely equals my familiarity with barber shops in Mashhad?

From not being anti-Arab and a user that one could have sane discussions with to going insane within a few weeks? What has happened with you?

Anyway, as usual this discussion started because some Iranian trolls were mentioning KSA out of nowhere, lol. Anyway I had to tell a few truths about the conflict in Syria and historical facts. Job well done. Mission accomplished.

 

[Metanoia]

Obviously I cannot post such videos nor do I bother looking for them but they exist there and are numerous. A simple Google search will confirm their many casualties across all of Syria. To believe that they are just guarding some shrine 24/7 is pretty naive, don't you think?

Also you are constantly writing "shrines". Which shrines are that? Please educate me here and viewers.

Ya Allah! Yes, of Liwa Fatemiyoun!!....an official paramilitary Iranian group comprising of Afghans settled in Iran, similar to the Gurkha regiments of Britain and India. They operate under a state mandate. Hezbollah, Iran, and Russia are operating in Syria as per treaties with the Syrian Regime. Whether you agree with it or disagree with it, they have a mandate. Therefore you'll find the in conflict all over Syria. Pakistani Shias who volunteered to go to Syria in the early days were for the protection of the Shrine and they operate under Liwa Zainabiyoun. You will not find Pakistani Shias engaged in Aleppo, Deir Ez Zour, Palmyra, Idlib etc. They don't have the mandate. I asked you to provide me with a proof of Pakistani Liwa Zainabiyoun in other conflicts of Syria and you can not because there is none.

My mistake, it's not shrines it is a Shrine.

Once again, KSA is involved in Yemen which is a 100 times bigger conflict and venture than Turkey's intervention in tiny Afrin (backed by mainly FSA foot soldiers) or Iran sending a few stateless Afghan refugees living in Iran or a few military advisers. KSA does not border Syria. KSA cannot be involved in both Yemen and Syria at the same time. No regional country can fight two wars at the same time. In recent time only the US did it (Iraq and Afghanistan).

I completely disagree with you on this. If the GCC wanna sit out Syria then they shouldn't be surprised or complain if the Iranians and the Russians come out on top. The shouldn't complain if the Syrian Arab Sunnis support Turkey rather than GCC. Syria is a major conflict man.

Or maybe it could have something to do with the honest truth that Salafis usually are those that do the talking and dancing while most others are not like that? And no, I am not a Salafi, lol. Usually in armed conflicts in Muslim nations (if you notice) Jihadist momements will gain the upper hand just like in Afghanistan. Who is defending the Rohingya in Burma? Sufis or armed Jihadist like rebels?

Who was most vocal against the US occupation in Iraq? Same story.

That's what I am talking about. Iran as a whole state get's involved in various theatres and bury their fallen with honour. Salafis are non-state, or third party actors. The fact for the Sunni states is that they never get involved in the plight for their own directly. Let's see how Yemen pans out in the future as it is the first time Sunni states have gotten involved to, then perhaps they will one day be able to focus on the Rohingyas, the Gazans, or the Kashmiris.

 

[mangekyo]

Do you even believe the utter nonsense that you are writing? Let me guess, your familiarity with Iraq and the Arab world most likely equals my familiarity with barber shops in Mashhad?

From not being anti-Arab and a user that one could have sane discussions with to going insane within a few weeks? What has happened with you?

Anyway, as usual this discussion started because some Iranian trolls were mentioning KSA out of nowhere, lol. Anyway I had to tell a few truths about the conflict in Syria and historical facts. Job well done. Mission accomplished.

Im not anti arab, I’m just stating the facts. A single search on google can give you the answers. Or you might want to do a random search on YouTube. Why is this even a discussion?
Take off your Saddam Hussein Arab ego glasses please

 

[TheCamelGuy]

Had it not been for Iran, half your country would belong to Kurds and other half to Daesh. Have you already forgot that when your Arab army escaped from the battlefield and your cities were conquered one by one, It was Iran that armed you, funded you, organized you, trained you, and even Sendt martyrs protecting ungrateful people like you?

Iran is the country that interfered politically in Iraq heavier than any other neighbour; the result was a country led by a man who was attempting to become a new dictator, Maliki. All he managed to do is burn the economy and create the most ineffective military there is and you want me to bow to you for a few arms supplied which were paid for.

Iran didn't do much in 2014, might as well not worship Americans for their air support? Here is what you don't seem to get, Iran did all it could to expand its influence which is not in our interest. Iraq's task is to balance between these sides until it is able to take a tougher stance, and that is what its policy has been. Iran organized dozens of militia's by the way, not the PMU. The PMU umbrella was declared by Baghdad to unify the command of these militias.

Also these who you call Basiji martyrs are the ones that would beat you up for not being Islamic. Besides there were 2 main foreign efforts in Iraq to restructure the armed forces, one of the coalition and Iran's. Iran's effort resulted in unprofessional militia's which fight without helmets and body-armor. I can go in more detail but it's clear.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

@mangekyousharingan

Below are the quantity and type of aircraft sent to Iran by Iraq, this is worth a lot more than what Iran supplied in 2014. Where is our thanks.

40 Su-22 Soviet Union
24 Su-24 Soviet Union
24 Mirage F-1 France
15 Ilyushin Il-76 Soviet Union
12 MiG-23 Soviet Union
7 Su-25 Soviet Union
4 MiG-29 Soviet Union
4 Su-7 Soviet Union
4 Su-17 S et Union
4 Su-20 Soviet Union

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Im not anti arab, I’m just stating the facts. A single search on google can give you the answers. Or you might want to do a random search on YouTube. Why is this even a discussion?
Take off your Saddam Hussein Arab ego glasses please

95% of your "historical" facts in this thread were a lie/inacurate as well as your nonsense claim that 20.000 big Daesh (maybe at their height let us say 40.000) and 5 million Kurds would control 35 million Iraqi Arabs. Not worth replying to IMO. Just shocking that you are serious and not trolling IMO.

Ya Allah! Yes, of Liwa Fatemiyoun!!....an official paramilitary Iranian group comprising of Afghans settled in Iran, similar to the Gurkha regiments of Britain and India. They operate under a state mandate. Hezbollah, Iran, and Russia are operating in Syria as per treaties with the Syrian Regime. Whether you agree with it or disagree with it, they have a mandate. Therefore you'll find the in conflict all over Syria. Pakistani Shias who volunteered to go to Syria in the early days were for the protection of the Shrine and they operate under Liwa Zainabiyoun. You will not find Pakistani Shias engaged in Aleppo, Deir Ez Zour, Palmyra, Idlib etc. They don't have the mandate. I asked you to provide me with a proof of Pakistani Liwa Zainabiyoun in other conflicts of Syria and you can not because there is none.

My mistake, it's not shrines it is a Shrine.



I completely disagree with you on this. If the GCC wanna sit out Syria then they shouldn't be surprised or complain if the Iranians and the Russians come out on top. The shouldn't complain if the Syrian Arab Sunnis support Turkey rather than GCC. Syria is a major conflict man.



That's what I am talking about. Iran as a whole state get's involved in various theatres and bury their fallen with honour. Salafis are non-state, or third party actors. The fact for the Sunni states is that they never get involved in the plight for their own directly. Let's see how Yemen pans out in the future as it is the first time Sunni states have gotten involved to, then perhaps they will one day be able to focus on the Rohingyas, the Gazans, or the Kashmiris.

Please, bro, who are you kidding? Don't you know that most of those Afghans, your compatriots etc. are people trying to survive day to day in Iran (living as illegal refugees without any rights), or recruited by local Mullah fanboys with intelligence ties to the Iranian regime later to be used as nothing more than mercenaries? As far as I am aware of mercenaries are not recognized as combatants in international law.

I cannot provide proof because I cannot post bloody videos but I already posted a video of a captured Hazara mercenary and my guess is that he was not guarding that single shrine 24/7, lol.

So a shrine, most likely a fake one, as the original is most likely based in Cairo, Egypt as per most scholars, is more important than 100's of destroyed mosques in Syria, 10.000's of (the Al-Assad regime has killed most Syrian civilians by far as per most statistics) civilian Syrians, standing with the truth, standing with something that righteous (actual Ahl al-Bayt) would be doing etc. Makes no sense.

Nobody is complaining (from the regimes). It is a deliberate move not to involve itself too much. I am talking from a personal perspective here. I would have helped the Syrian people initially (of the conflict) and made a transition or given power to another Al-Assad family member (if the Al-Assad family insisted to stay in power, doubtful if the people would ever accept them, they never did actually as they came to power by force under the disguise of democracy) and this way prevented this civil war from lasting 7 years as well as preventing Syria from turning into a Russian, Turkish, Kurdish, US etc. protectorate. Basically Syria is no longer Syria thanks to the greed of the Al-Assad regime. Yes or no?

Syrian Sunni Arabs are not supporting Turkey or anti-GCC or anti-Arab. They are doing what is best for them at the given moment in time depending where in Syria. In Southern Syria, KSA and Jordan are involved with humanitarian aid and arming locals (lightly). Just like KSA relief has reached Ghouta.

A young girl receives food aid. (Al-Ekhbariya)

A KSRelief kitchen in operation. (Al-Ekhbariya)

A girl receives food aid. (Al-Ekhbariya)

KSA hosts in total 2.5 million Syrians. They are not treated as refugees but as "Arab brothers in distress". Just like KSA is hosting 1 million Yemeni refugees. Just like KSA hosted almost 200.000 Iraqi Shia Arabs from the South that escaped across the border during the uprising in the South against Saddam Hussein in the early 1990's. A certain anti-KSA obsessed individual Nouri Al-Maliki was part of this group of people. 12 years later he repaid by damaging ties and destroying a lot for no real reason. Shocking behavior but as he was/is a Iran drone (Dawa'h party radical that also fought against his country on behalf of the Mullah's).

You should have known long ago (being familiar with KSA) that KSA does not operate using proxies like Iran. We interact with states. If KSA wanted (in theory) it would created some kind of Hezbollah somewhere in Ninawah or Anbar or anywhere in the Arab world with a bit of work as the truth is that KSA is way more influential in the Muslim world than Iran. However that has never been done and rightly so. Same story in Yemen.

This is why when KSA is reforming under MbS you will see this spread to other Muslim countries which is good. I know that you disagree with those reforms based on personal interaction just like you were against KSA allowing women in the military recently.

Read what Boris Johnson wrote in Arab News a few days ago.

Future of Saudi Arabia, Muslim world depends on success of Crown Prince

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1257801

Hard to disagree with his main points.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

As far as I know Iran supplied us with 6 million Kurdish animals, nothing to thank them for