Iran-backed militias recruiting Pakistanis, Afghans to fight in Syria

[Saif al-Arab]

That's your opinion, no problem.

However, the shrines exist, the personalities buried there exists, the Shia faith exists...these are the facts. Ba'athi secular regime is being helped by the state of Iran and the state of Russia as per the agreements between them. The only involvement of Pakistani Shias in Syria is for the defence of the Holy Shrines as they were attacked via suicide bombings. You will not find the involvement of Liwa Zainabiyoun in the Battle of Aleppo or the Battle of Palmyra or the Battle of Deir Ez-Zour. All of these battles were fought and won by the SAA and their official allies. Turkey has helped the Northern Syrian Sunni Arabs by getting directly involved in the conflict and sacrificing it's own soldiers by shedding blood. No one is stopping Saudi or the UAE to do the same.

Pakistani Shias also volunteered for Iraq (Karbala and Najaf) when ISIS were upon the gates of Baghdad. They did not participate in reconquering the Northern Iraqi territory from ISIS. That was done purely by the Iraqi Shias, Sunnis etc.

You not believing in Shia theology is completely fine, you don't have to or need to defend the Shrines or other Shias. It's a non-issue on part of the Shia volunteers as to what the Sunnis think of their Shrines or revered personalities.

Which shrines are those exactly? Are you talking about that 1 SINGLE shrine supposedly located in Syria while in reality it is located in Cairo, Egypt?

Recently built by Iranian Mullah's and financed by them in order to have a growing link to Syria and the Al-Assad regime by flooding it with Iranian pilgrims and obviously agents at the same time?

You are kidding yourself. Those so-called "holy Shia warriors" from the other end of the planet (they have no business in Syria nor are they even Arabs) are actively taking part in the systematic massacres and oppression (well-recorded and don't bother arguing about it) of the Al-Assad regime since 2011 (not even talking about the policy state before that).

Let them fight against Daesh but Daesh and similar groups do not equal the Syrian opposition or people. They are like a drop in the ocean. Fact of the matter is that those people are aiding an horrible oppressor who is not even a religious person or a Shia due to geopolitical reasons (being told so by the Iranian Mullah's). That is why mostly impoverished poor Afghan refugees in Iran that live worse off than any expat worker in the GCC, living in basements or as homeless people, are offered money and a passport to go die defend your "imaginary" Shia honor.

When former leading Hezbollah members tell it like it is, you have a huge problem with your arguments.

A Shia Arab from Southern Lebanon (co-founder of Hezbollah) tells the truth:

BTW, I am not even that religious. Let's make that clear. I am just picking your nonsense (with all due respect) arguments apart.

Tell me, what is it that Shia Muslims supposedly mourn during Muharram? What was Hussein ibn Ali (ra) fighting against? Would he have been supporting the oppressor (Al-Assad regime) against the Syrian people? Would he have been supporting what the Syrian regime has been doing to 10.000's of civilian Syrians (torturing them to death), killing and mutilating teenagers due to writing anti-Al-Assad graffiti on the walls back in 2011.

Hamza Ali Al-Khateeb is a martyr not a bunch of terrorists/mercenaries from abroad that are fighting for money on behalf of a Iranian Mullah regime and worse, the Al-Assad regime.



BTW they are treated like trash by all parties in the conflict.

Nobody has any respect for them and rightly so.

Here are more masterpieces of those "holy warriors":

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/world/asia/afghanistan-iran-syria-revolutionary-guards.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/30/opinion/sunday/iran-afghanistan-refugees-assad-syria.html

 

[mangekyo]

Somehow every second Iranian on PDF is somehow a Sunni while the statistics show than around 10-15% of all Iranians are Sunnis. We had an Iranian user in this thread (whose posts I quoted) that used to claim to be a Sunni until his head-covering fell off.

Honestly I am sunni because of my ancestry, but personally I dont give a Fuack. However. I do enjoy seeing 80 million population of Iran toying with almost 500 million arabs. And I dont care if they are shia, sunni, atheist, pig worshiper or whatever

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Honestly I am sunni because of my ancestry, but personally I dont give a Fuack. However. I do enjoy seeing 80 million population of Iran toying with almost 500 million arabs.

Apparently my factual comments hurt you deeply as you have now taken a u-turn from "Arabs and Iranians are brothers and need to cooperate" to writing nonsense comments (fantasy) of 80 million Iranians toying with 500 million Arabs. There is no toying anywhere other than supporting Hezbollah (Arabs last time I checked, not Iranians) in tiny Southern Lebanon (funded by local Arabs to begin with that sought help from the Iranian regime) and supporting the Al-Assad regime while Russia calls all the shots nowadays. 99% of all the fighting is done by local Arabs too in Syria.

It's not the Arab world that is sanctioned and has stagnated for the past 40 years on most fronts. Not the Arab world that has an economy smaller than UAE and Qatar put together.

 

[mangekyo]

Apparently my factual comments hurt you deeply as you have now taken a u-turn from "Arabs and Iranians are brothers and need to cooperate" to writing nonsense comments (fantasy) of 80 million Iranians toying with 500 million Arabs. There is no toying anywhere other than supporting tiny Southern Lebanon (funded by local Arabs to begin with that sought help from the Iranian regime) and supporting the Al-Assad regime while Russia calls all the shots nowadays.

It's not the Arab world that is sanctioned and has stagnated for the past 40 years on most fronts. Not the Arab world that has an economy smaller than UAE and Qatar put together.

Your comments cant hurt me because I dont give a fuack about what you say. I simply dont care. Only thing I hate is racism and fascism. You can insult shias how much you want and even sunnis, it doesn't matter to me. Iranians toying with Arabs is amusing to me at a neutral level, because you have to appreciate it when a single country with 80 million population scares the shiiit out of (rough guess) 20 arab countries and 500 million arabs.

It is toying because Iran is KSA worst nightmare. Iran interferers in arab countries, in arab world. You look at Iran as a fake shia, kafir, wannabe arab country, meanwhile Iranian influence in the arab world is growing every singe day and you cant do anything about it.

Irans economy, sanctions etc is a different discussion. What would KSA be if it was sanctioned? Only a desert

 

[Metanoia]

Which shrines are those exactly? Are you talking about that 1 SINGLE shrine supposedly located in Syria while in reality it is located in Cairo, Egypt?

Recently built by Iranian Mullah's and financed by them in order to have a growing link to Syria and the Al-Assad regime by flooding it with Iranian pilgrims and obviously agents at the same time?

You are kidding yourself. Those so-called "holy Shia warriors" from the other end of the planet (they have no business in Syria nor are they even Arabs) are actively taking part in the systematic massacres and oppression (well-recorded and don't bother arguing about it) of the Al-Assad regime since 2011 (not even talking about the policy state before that).

Let them fight against Daesh but Daesh and similar groups do not equal the Syrian opposition or people. They are like a drop in the ocean. Fact of the matter is that those people are aiding an horrible oppressor who is not even a religious person or a Shia due to geopolitical reasons (being told so by the Iranian Mullah's). That is why mostly impoverished poor Afghan refugees in Iran that live worse off than any expat worker in the GCC, living in basements or as homeless people, are offered money and a passport to go die defend your "imaginary" Shia honor.

When former leading Hezbollah members tell it what it is, you have a huge problem with your arguments.

A Shia Arab from Southern Lebanon (co-founder of Hezbollah) tells the truth:

BTW, I am not even that religious. Let's make that clear. I am just picking your nonsense (with all due respect) arguments apart.

Tell me, what is it that Shia Muslims supposedly mourn during Muharram? What was Hussein ibn Ali (ra) fighting against? Would he have been supporting the oppressor (Al-Assad regime) against the Syrian people? Would he have been supporting what the Syrian regime has been doing to 10.000's of civilian Syrians (torturing them to death), killing and mutilating teenagers due to writing anti-Al-Assad graffiti on the walls back in 2011.

Hamza Ali Al-Khateeb is a martyr not a bunch of terrorists/mercenaries from abroad that are fighting for money on behalf of a Iranian Mullah regime and worse, the Al-Assad regime.



BTW they are treated like trash by all parties in the conflict.

Nobody has any respect for them.

Here are more masterpieces of those "holy warriors":

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/world/asia/afghanistan-iran-syria-revolutionary-guards.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/30/opinion/sunday/iran-afghanistan-refugees-assad-syria.html

Swathes of territory under salafist groups, even presently (Idlib and Ghouta), and you call them a "drop". Interesting logic on your part. FSA only exists up North and have survived due to direct Turkish support, unlike the Saudis or the UAE (with all due respect).

Brother you're calling my arguments as nonsense, please do provide a source as to where are these Pakistani Shias(Liwa Zainabiyoun) in Aleppo, Dier Ez Zour, Palmrya, Hamma, Homs etc.? Anything credible.

I clearly believe that the Syrian demonstrations had a 100% genuine beginning which then turned a 100% political and sectarian. No minority supports an alternative to Assad at the moment because they knew which direction the country was going to go.

And if you don't mind, I can't help but notice that you have dodged my question twice now so I'll repeat it again. Bashar Al Assad is a tyrant who has killed his own people, while the Turks have shed their own blood in Northern Syria in order to support the Northern Syrian Sunni Arabs (and to serve their own interest as well of course, it's only logical). So far they have directly confronted SAA via aerial and artillery strikes. What's stopping the Saudi government? or the GCC? You have expressly stated their political clout and their military might, which obviously exists considering the amount of investment in equipment and training coupled with the experience gained from Yemen. Go ahead and stop Bashar, take meaningful action for the sake of your brothers. How can Iran, a non-Arab country afford to send it's manpower and material etc. while Saudi can not despite being nearer to Syria and having far more powerful and potent allies such as Jordan, Egypt, USA.

Wallah I agree, Bashar should go, and believe you me he will go. But what are you (as in the GCC) doing?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Your comments cant hurt me because I dont give a fuack about what you say. I simply dont care. Only thing I hate is racism and fascism. You can insult shias how much you want and even sunnis, it doesn't matter to me. Iranians toying with Arabs is amusing to me at a neutral level, because you have to appreciate it when a single country with 80 million population scares the shiiit out of (rough guess) 20 arab countries and 500 million arabs.

It is toying because Iran is KSA worst nightmare. Iran interferers in arab countries, in arab world. You look at Iran as a fake shia, kafir, wannabe arab country, meanwhile Iranian influence in the arab world is growing every singe day and you cant do anything about it.

Irans economy, sanctions etc is a different discussion. What would KSA be if it was sanctioned? Only a desert

Likewise I do not care about your propaganda and twisting of words. What I am writing are solely facts. Being against the Al-Assad regime (which is not even Shia but Alawite) has nothing to do with being against Shias. Being critical of the Iranian Mullah regime has nothing to do with being against Shias. Shia Islam originated in KSA not Iran. The Islamic holy sites are in KSA and Al-Quds, not Iran. Shia Islamic figures (all of them) were Arabs from modern-day KSA not Iran. More Shia Muslims live in the Arab world than Iran. As for being against "Sunnis" what are you talking about? Once again I am not particularly religious to the extend that I hate specific sects.

Your fantasy talk does not impress anyone. If you want to live in a fantasy world where somehow a sanctioned entity (with deep divided inside its own country as recently seen) with an economy smaller than that of UAE and Qatar combined, is somehow toying with Arabs (despite having a presence in 4 Arab countries out of 20 +), is your own imagination speaking and quite frankly hilarious and sad at the same time. Whatever floats your boat when you are confronted with the truth and facts that don't fit your agenda.

Which Iranian influence? Supporting a few Arab proxy terrorists groups who adopt nothing Iranian? It's the other way around.

Better off than the desert that is Iran, as we would not have such moronic leaders to begin with. KSA is one of the most resource rich and strategically located countries on the planet moreover the center of ISlam (Makkah and Madinah). We would be fine, just like the history of the Arabs and Semites (unparalleled) is a clear sign of. People from KSA funded the largest empires of any people in the region and had the most influential empires. Our legacy is evident on all fronts in the Muslim world and the Arab world is our physical legacy. Few people can say anything remotely similar. We have no need to state the obvious.

Swathes of territory under salafist groups, even presently (Idlib and Ghouta), and you call them a "drop". Interesting logic on your part. FSA only exists up North and have survived due to direct Turkish support, unlike the Saudis or the UAE (with all due respect).

Brother you're calling my arguments as nonsense, please do provide a source as to where are these Pakistani Shias(Liwa Zainabiyoun) in Aleppo, Dier Ez Zour, Palmrya, Hamma, Homs etc.? Anything credible.

I clearly believe that the Syrian demonstrations had a 100% genuine beginning which then turned a 100% political and sectarian. No minority supports an alternative to Assad at the moment because they knew which direction the country was going to go.

And if you don't mind, I can't help but notice that you have dodged my question twice now so I'll repeat it again. Bashar Al Assad is a tyrant who has killed his own people, while the Turks have shed their own blood in Northern Syria in order to support the Northern Syrian Sunni Arabs (and to serve their own interest as well of course, it's only logical). So far they have directly confronted SAA via aerial and artillery strikes. What's stopping the Saudi government? or the GCC? You have expressly stated their political clout and their military might, which obviously exists considering the amount of investment in equipment and training coupled with the experience gained from Yemen. Go ahead and stop Bashar, take meaningful action for the sake of your brothers. How can Iran, a non-Arab country afford to send it's manpower and material etc. while Saudi can not despite being nearer to Syria and having far more powerful and potent allies such as Jordan, Egypt, USA.

Wallah I agree, Bashar should go, and believe you me he will go. But what are you (as in the GCC) doing?

Sure, that was the case in 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014 as well, right? Funny how that is forgotten. As if Islamists, regardless of sect, are any different, lol, or much to begin with.

Why is it that I have watched many videos from Syria where Mongoloid, Afghan, Pakistani-looking mercenaries have been arrested or either killed by FSA-like groups since at least 2013? Where did they jump down from? The sky? I did not see any shrines in sight.

BTW, once again, which are those "shrines" that you are talking about? From what I am aware of there is only 1 shrine. And whether it contains the remains is a big IF, as most scholars believe it is located in Cairo, Egypt.

That's fake and scare-mongering. The majority (Syrian Sunni Arabs, almost 80% of the population) used to rule Syria since time immortal and minorities were respected and rarely if ever targeted. Assyrian, Christian, Turkmen etc. have all been a part of the Syrian opposition. Like with the Al-Assad regime and allies there are different factions in the Syrian opposition. It is not a unified body.

And who started this conflict/civil war by mass-killing his own population? Please tell me again. Who is carpet bombing his own country? Who is inviting every Tom, Dick and Harry into Syria and basically having helped divide that country forever, if not the Al-Assad regime? Which regime used an martial law for almost 50 years in a row prior to 2011?

Turkey is bordering Syria directly. KSA is busy with Yemen (a much bigger conflict than anything the Turks are doing in tiny Afrin using mostly the FSA as foot soldiers). And who tells you that I am in favor of KSA carving up Syria like the likes of Russia, Iran and Turkey? I am not.

Bashar should go but you are supporting him? How does that makes any sense? BTW where have I supported Daesh or similar-minded groups to take over instead of Al-Assad? The answer is never. I think that you know my views by now. I want to see a strong and independent Syria that is part of the Arab family (regime, people will always be and are) and not hijacked by hostile regimes or shooting itself in the foot. Look, the Al-Assad regime can be allied/friendly with the Mullah's in Iran like prior to 2011 for all I care. Just like KSA had somewhat cordial relations with the Al-ASsad regime prior to 2011. Let me remind you of some facts. Syrian soldiers fought alongside Saudi Arabian soldiers when Kuwait was liberated. Al-Assad and House of Saud members have intermarried (yes, as shocking as it sounds), Bashar visited KSA and vice versa several times before the Syrian civil war, including opening KAUST back in 2009 along with other leaders etc.

What I cannot forgive is how many fellow Syrians that he has murdered for the sake of staying in power and for his destruction of Syria and forcing millions of innocent Syrians to migrate abroad, including KSA. Or the fact that his policies have turned Syria into a Swedish buffet for every Tom, Dick and Harry. Unforgivable.

BTW you ignored the remaining parts of my post.

 

[mangekyo]

Likewise I do not care about your propaganda and twisting of words. What I am writing are solely facts. Being against the Al-Assad regime (which is not even Shia but Alawite) has nothing to do with being against Shias. Being critical of the Iranian Mullah regime has nothing to do with being against Shias. Shia Islam originated in KSA not Iran. The Islamic holy sites are in KSA and Al-Quds, not Iran. Shia Islamic figures (all of them) were Arabs from modern-day KSA not Iran. More Shia Muslims live in the Arab world than Iran. As for being against "Sunnis" what are you talking about? Once again I am not particularly religious to the extend that I hate specific sects.

Your fantasy talk does not impress anyone. If you want to live in a fantasy world where somehow a sanctioned entity (with deep divided inside its own country as recently seen) with an economy smaller than that of UAE and Qatar combined, is somehow toying with Arabs (despite having a presence in 4 Arab countries out of 20 +), is your own imagination speaking and quite frankly hilarious and sad at the same time. Whatever floats your boat when you are confronted with the truth and facts that don't fit your agenda.

Which Iranian influence? Supporting a few Arab proxy terrorists groups who adopt nothing Iranian? It's the other way around.

Better off than the desert that is Iran, as we would not have such moronic leaders to begin with. KSA is one of the most resource rich and strategically located countries on the planet moreover the center of ISlam (Makkah and Madinah). We would be fine, just like the history of the Arabs and Semites (unparalleled) is a clear sign of. People from KSA funded the largest empires of any people in the region and had the most influential empires. Our legacy is evident on all fronts in the Muslim world and the Arab world is our physical legacy. Few people can say anything remotely similar. We have no need to state the obvious.

Man, I dont care where the islamic holy sites are, where shia islam originated, where they live, or whatever. Iran is the only Shia power in the world and its existence itself is threatening KSA. The fact is, all arab countries wants Iran gone, yet they cant do anything about it. Even though you are almost 20 countries. You do not look at Iranian shias as real shias, you have said so yourself many times. Im not saying you are against sunnis, Im saying you can insult sunnis too, and I still wouldnt care. Im not here to push any agendas. I dont get paid, I just tell what I believe. And that is Iran is controlling Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and scaring the shiiit out of KSA and all arab countries in Persian Gulf.

I believe the entire world except for you and some other retard arabs agree that Iran has a much richer history than KSA.

Just for fun...

Abū Bishr ʻAmr ibn ʻUthmān ibn Qanbar Al-Baṣrī (c. 760–796, Arabic: أبو بشر عمرو بن عثمان بن قنبر البصري‎), commonly known as Sībawayhor Sībawayhi[4] (سيبويه, an Arabized form or rather misreading of the Middle Persian name Sēbōē, modern pronunciation Sēbōya or Sībūye) was a Persian linguist and grammarian of Arabic language. His seminal work, Al-Kitāb, was the first written grammar of the language.[5] Despite his significance to the development of the Arabic language and linguistic tradition, Sibawayh was an ethnic Persian[6]and was not a native speaker of Arabic, having learned the language later in life. He has been referred to as the greatest of all Arabic linguists and one of the greatest linguists of all time in any language.[7]

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Man, I dont care where the islamic holy sites are, where shia islam originated, where they live, or whatever. Iran is the only Shia power in the world and its existence itself is threatening KSA. The fact is, all arab countries wants Iran gone, yet they cant do anything about it. Even though you are almost 20 countries. You do not look at Iranian shias as real shias, you have said so yourself many times. Im not saying you are against sunnis, Im saying you can insult sunnis too, and I still wouldnt care. Im not here to push any agendas. I dont get paid, I just tell what I believe. And that is Iran is controlling Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and scaring the shiiit out of KSA and all arab countries in Persian Gulf.

I believe the entire world except for you and some other retard arabs agree that Iran has a much richer history than KSA.

They can't even beat Israel let alone Iran. Israel population 8 million. Iran population 80 million. Plus, Iran is not even Semitic like Israel and Arab countries.

 

[mangekyo]

They can't even beat Israel let alone Iran. Israel population 8 million. Iran population 80 million. Plus, Iran is not even Semitic like Israel and Arab countries.

I know, but Israel is protected by USA AKA arab masters. Iran is not protected by anyone. Which makes it even more amusing

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Man, I dont care where the islamic holy sites are, where shia islam originated, where they live, or whatever. Iran is the only Shia power in the world and its existence itself is threatening KSA. The fact is, all arab countries wants Iran gone, yet they cant do anything about it. Even though you are almost 20 countries. You do not look at Iranian shias as real shias, you have said so yourself many times. Im not saying you are against sunnis, Im saying you can insult sunnis too, and I still wouldnt care. Im not here to push any agendas. I dont get paid, I just tell what I believe. And that is Iran is controlling Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and scaring the shiiit out of KSA and all arab countries in Persian Gulf.

I believe the entire world except for you and some other retard arabs agree that Iran has a much richer history than KSA.

No, you only care about writing nonsense and fantasy statements that have nothing remotely to do with the ground realities.

Iran, threatening KSA? Nice joke.

Sure, more made up statements from your part. How surprising.

Sure, of course. If the Arab world was a united entity, Iran would have been crushed within a few weeks. Don't have any illusions. Your influence is limited to tiny proxy groups in war torn Arab countries. Congratulation and what an achievement. Just like it is very easy for Arabs to meddle in your cousins lands, Eastern Afghanistan and Tajikistan. Big deal.

@TheCamelGuy this self-proclaimed Azeri Sunni (lol) and half Assyrian, is barking that Iran controls Iraq. I guess the Iraqi government having cordial and nowadays booming ties with KSA is all part of the greater "Iranian plan".

No such region as "Persian Gulf". It's called the Arabian Peninsula. Just like there is nothing called the Arabian Sea or Sea of Oman region (seas that Iran borders and named by Arabs).

Sure, expect for the fact that KSA (Arabia) has a much older history, older recorded ancient civilizations and the ancestors of Saudi Arabians shaping the world much more. The Islamic contribution alone dwarfs anything that Iran has been able to do in its history. Not to say that the influence is much greater the other way around. Iran and Iranians are heavily influenced by those historical events but the Arabs have close to no influence the other way around. This says it all.

BTW, when it comes to history (pre-Islamic Iranian culture is mostly a copy of our ancient Semitic cultures) Iran cannot compete with Arabs. Nobody can. Historical facts speak for themselves once again (oldest civilizations, oldest cities, most famous ancient civilizations, most famous ancient heritage sites, inventing the beginnings of what we use mostly today across all fields, writing, science, agriculture, urbanization, architecture, wheel, maths, psychics and you name it).

Anyway I was having an discussion with @Metonia about Syria. Not interested in your drivel with all due respect.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

I know, but Israel is protected by USA AKA arab masters. Iran is not protected by anyone. Which makes it even more amusing

Iran is protected by Russia. Iran is Russia's biggest client state. Iran is oil rich, is very close to Russia geographically, is vital to Russia's national security.

If Arabs invade Iran like they did in the 600s, Russia would heavily arm Iran with military hardware.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Persia

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Iran is protected by Russia. Iran is Russia's biggest client state. Iran is oil rich, is very close to Russia geographically, is vital to Russia's national security.

If Arabs invade Iran like they did in the 600s, Russia would heavily arm Iran with military hardware.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Persia

1 single Arab country (Iraq) harmed Iran more than Iran has harmed the Arab world in the past 1400 years and that was less than 40 years ago.

They can't even beat Israel let alone Iran. Israel population 8 million. Iran population 80 million. Plus, Iran is not even Semitic like Israel and Arab countries.

Just like Iran cannot invade a single Arab country. They cannot even invite tiny Bahrain. Lame logic. What has Iran done against Israel other than barking for 40 years straight? They can't do shit either. At least the Arabs tried against all odds and inflicting the most casualties against Israel than any other people.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

1 single Arab country (Iraq) harmed Iran more than Iran has harmed the Arab world in the past 1400 years and that was less than 40 years ago.



Just like Iran cannot invade a single Arab country. They cannot even invite tiny Bahrain. Lame logic. What has Iran done against Israel other than barking for 40 years straight? They can't do shit either.

Saddam was not able to beat Iran despite support from America. Saddam was a dog America lost control of.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Saddam was not able to beat Iran despite support from America. Saddam was a dog America lost control of.

The US supported both sides. Read about the Iran-Contra affair. Even Israel supported the Mullah's during the war. 1.5 year prior to the conflict, the biggest Western lapdog in the region was the Shah. He was fully supported by the US and Israel. The US and Israel helped kickstart the Iranian nuclear program that they here 40 years after are yet to complete. They did 90% of the work. Yet Iran could not defeat 2.5 times smaller Iraq and 2 times less populous Iraq that had a conflict in the north with the Kurds and the South during the war. Weak. Very weak. Always easier for the defender to defend itself at home than for the aggressor to invade.

BTW read about the Iranian Arabs and their role in this conflict for another surprise.

 

[mangekyo]

No, you only care about writing nonsense and fantasy statements that have nothing remotely to do with the ground realities.

Iran, threatening KSA? Nice joke.

Sure, more made up statements from your part. How surprising.

Sure, of course. If the Arab world was a united entity, Iran would have been crushed within a few weeks. Don't have any illusions. Your influence is limited to tiny proxy groups in war torn Arab countries. Congratulation and what an achievement. Just like it is very easy for Arabs to meddle in your cousins lands, Eastern Afghanistan and Tajikistan. Big deal.

@TheCamelGuy this self-proclaimed Azeri Sunni (lol) and half Assyrian, is barking that Iran controls Iraq. I guess the Iraqi government having cordial and nowadays booming ties with KSA is all part of the greater "Iranian plan".

No such region as "Persian Gulf". It's called the Arabian Peninsula. Just like there is nothing called the Arabian Sea or Sea of Oman region (seas that Iran borders and named by Arabs).

Sure, expect for the fact that KSA (Arabia) has a much older history, older recorded ancient civilizations and the ancestors of Saudi Arabians shaping the world much more. The Islamic contribution alone dwarfs anything that Iran has been able to do in its history. Not to say that the influence is much greater the other way around. Iran and Iranians are heavily influenced by those historical events but the Arabs have close to no influence the other way around. This says it all.

BTW, when it comes to history (pre-Islamic Iranian culture is mostly a copy of our ancient Semitic cultures) Iran cannot compete with Arabs. Nobody can. Historical facts speak for themselves once again (oldest civilizations, oldest cities, most famous ancient civilizations, most famous ancient heritage sites, inventing the beginnings of what we use mostly today across all fields, writing, science, agriculture, urbanization, architecture, wheel, maths, psychics and you name it).

Anyway I was having an discussion with @Metonia about Syria. Not interested in your drivel with all due respect.

Well, its only made up statements in the minds of the deniers. Sure, go ahead and recruit your camel friends, but nothing changes the fact that Iran is controlling Iraq. KSA has no history. The islamic contributions you talk about were made by Iranians and some Iraqis and some people of the levants. No one from KSA...

Its not your ancient semitic cultures. You are arab not Assyrian.... Nobody wants to compete with Arabs except for maybe daesh and al qaeda which is arab culture at it's finest. Its extra funny that you mention that arabs invented the beginning of writing when the one who invented arab grammar was Iranian.

Have a nice discussion with metonia about syria

Iran is protected by Russia. Iran is Russia's biggest client state. Iran is oil rich, is very close to Russia geographically, is vital to Russia's national security.

If Arabs invade Iran like they did in the 600s, Russia would heavily arm Iran with military hardware.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Persia

Maybe it is now, Im not going to say yes or no. I dont know, But It wasn't 10 years ago.