Iran-backed groups exhume shrine of Muslim Caliph Omar bin Abdulaziz in Syria's Idlib

[bsruzm]

Or you could look at the tens of thousands of Pakistanis brutally massacred at the hands of the ‘Sunni/Wahabi/Deobandi’ TTP/LEJ/JuA etc in Pakistan.

As someone from a Shia family that’s has suffered its own losses in sectarian conflict, I know what ‘justice’ is, and it isn’t obtained by massacring innocents or rejoicing in the massacre of innocents of the opposite sect - justice is obtained by massacring those who committed the crimes or are part of the organizations that committed the crimes.

I am not interested in your sect but I am not going to ignore his histronics as well.

 

[QWECXZ]

There's your brotherhood. Shiites of Iran and supporters of its proxies are free to adore the Assad regime, mourn Solaimani in the streets and support their militias, meanwhile guilt-tripping Sunnis into feeling that we create a "structurally unbalanced Islam" - good, let's take that unbalance all the way.

LOL. Look what kind of cesspool PDF has turned into that someone can freely insult people of another nation and get away with it without any moderation. And he FIXED it! LOL

 

[Salmanov]

Hazrat Umar ibn Abdul Aziz RAA was the great grandson of Hazrat Umar ibn Al Khattab RA through his granddaughter named Fatima RAA.

• Umar bin Abdul Aziz was extremely pious and disdainful of worldly luxuries. He preferred simplicity to the extravagance that had become a hallmark of the Umayyad lifestyle, depositing all assets and finery meant for the caliph into the public treasury. He abandoned the Khalifal palace and instead preferred to live in modest dwellings. He wore rough linens instead of royal robes, and often went unrecognised.

• Though he had the people’s overwhelming support, he publicly encouraged them to elect someone else if they were not satisfied with him (an offer no one ever took him up on). Umar confiscated the estates seized by Umayyad officials and redistributed them to the people, while making it a personal goal to attend to the needs of every person in his empire. Fearful of being tempted into bribery, he rarely accepted gifts, and when he did he promptly deposited them in the public treasury. He even pressured his own wife – who had been daughter, sister and wife to three separate caliphs – to donate her jewellery to the public treasury.

https://www.islamiclandmarks.com/syria/tomb-of-umar-bin-abdul-aziz-ra

This is absolutely unacceptable.

Yes but they the anger if that’s true?! Since most of wahhabi salafist believe the shrines are haram and they themselves destroyed the shrine of imam Hassan and imam sadiq and the shrine of the sahabi zaid bin al khattab the brother of caliph unarmed and the great uncle of umar bin Abdulaziz

 

[Trango Towers]

This is as low as it gets if true. It warrants a response from arab countries and Turkey.

Yes arabs will have a meeting eats lots of goat and rice and that's that. The people doing this are worse than the devil himself. Even the devil has limits

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

When the same Iran recruits your people en masse, then it's safety to say that there is something wrong in Pakistan.

What is ‘en masse’?

Can you give me some credible sources illustrating the total number of Pakistanis recruited for Liwa Zainabiyoun by Iran?

 

[bsruzm]

First of all please don't jump into this you are Turkish & I love your country but I can out word you in 4 sentences.

I love yours as well, that is why I pointed out a tasteless situation.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I am not interested in your sect but I am not going to ignore his histronics as well.

He pointed out the crimes of a terrorist group - you chose to make a veiled threat against an entire community.

The histrionics & inflammatory comments are not on his end.

 

[ARMalik]

when person dies he is unaffected by such acts as he moves towards eternal life beyond control of people living in this world so such nefarious acts will have no effect on this one of the greatest personalities in Islamic history

Physical body is a vehicle in which you drive when you are living in this World. You experience this World, this realm in your physical body. Once you leave this World, there is no need for this vehicle because you have moved on, and that vehicle is damaged anyways. This incident shows how low humans have fallen that they like to desecrate even the dead.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

there were images of three years old shia Syrian girl beheaded because she would give birth to shia sons some decades later. imagine you are her father. if you didn't show mercy don't expect it. third pillar of shiasm is the justice.

The same goes for you - justice is served against those guilty of the crime, and not the extended community or anyone else.

Pakistanis who have suffered at the hands of terrorist groups in Pakistan, regardless of sect, will get their revenge from those groups and individuals, and not from innocents belonging to any faith or ethnic group.

 

[bsruzm]

What is ‘en masse’?

Can you give me some credible sources illustrating the total number of Pakistanis recruited for Liwa Zainabiyoun by Iran?

I can't give you an exact number but it is estimated over a thousand people. Iran proudly, and officially displays their banner. Why don't you ask an Iranian embassy in Pakistan formally? How many, and why?

 

[BHarwana]

I love yours as well, that is why I pointed out a tasteless situation.

Look the issue is that Syria is a mess. 90% news coming out of Syria is fake and fabricated to help some geopolitical agenda. Like this news of shrine is fake. I had read it in morning but I avoid Syria altogether cause no matter who is winning only Muslims are being killed there & that hurts. As a Mod it is my duty to assess the credibility of every news so I had to contribute. Now you are free to discuss it I am out of here.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I can't give you an exact number but it is estimated over a thousand people. Iran proudly, and officially displays their banner. Why don't you ask an Iranian embassy in Pakistan formally? How many, and why?

The number I have come across is around a thousand as well. That’s a drop in a bucket compared to the numbers that have fought against the Pakistani State and massacred innocents as part of the TTP or other groups allegedly supported by Afghanistan and India.

Pakistan has a Shia population estimated between 15-30% of the total population - again, 1000 recruits is nothing, relatively speaking.

Thread closed because it is based on unsubstantiated news.

Many times I bring up a crime to them and they call it "ISIS propaganda" or "fabricated".

First, these are anecdotal accounts.

Second, Someone not believing a crime was committed by Shia’s is not the same as condoning or supporting the crime.

Many Pakistanis, including many on this forum, refused to believe that ‘Pakistani Muslims’ could be involved in the terrorism committed by the TTP in Pakistan. I myself was involved in banging my head on the wall in many arguments with Pakistanis in this forum at the height of the TTP campaign.

Naïveté or a mental block preventing people from comprehending the fact that some members of their own community could be involved in violent, horrible crimes is not something limited to Shia alone.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Ladies and gentlemen, this news is unconfirmed/unverified and has been posted on the web before. As Bharwana pointed out, the territory this shrine is located in is not under the control of Iranian sponsored militias, rather it is under rebel control

At this point, given the war in Syria and the involvement of so many different competing groups and the related propaganda by each group against the other, there is no way to establish the veracity of any of the claims made or which side is responsible.

Since this issue is getting more and more visibility and is taking on sectarian tones, I am re-opening the thread for discussion & clarification.

At this point, I am adding the clarification that the shrine is actually in (non-Shia) rebel controlled territory to the OP. If anyone has information that argues differently, please let the mods know and we will update accordingly.

 

[El Sidd]

The shrine is 14 km from Turkish border & that area is under Turkish control not Iran. If someone wants to push geo political propaganda good for them don't bring it here. Iranian forces are 45 km away from the shrine. The news is good for people who are not aware of the situation at homes. This is a defence blog here people know too much.

Do you have proof that this alleged incident happened under Turkey's watch?

I have been banned on this forum for saying Turkey and Iran have conflicting goals in the coming decade.

At this point, I am adding the clarification that the shrine is actually in (non-Shia) rebel controlled territory to the OP.

Is there any proof whatsoever in this?

And who has distributed Syria into Shia and Non Shia and why is this relevant now which sect has control? Are you not just fueling the sectarian war you want to stop whilst being strategic Iran in nature?

 

[BHarwana]

Do you have proof that this alleged incident happened under Turkey's watch?

I have been banned on this forum for saying Turkey and Iran have conflicting goals in the coming decade.



Is there any proof whatsoever in this?

And who has distributed Syria into Shia and Non Shia and why is this relevant now which sect has control? Are you not just fueling the sectarian war you want to stop whilst being strategic Iran in nature?

I only know it happened in rebel held area not militia held area. whose watch it happened under I don't know. already proven which area it is. check previous posts. Secondly I am also not sure it happened or not. cause the source news is only Turkish & no one else reported it on MSM. So i would wait before pointing figures. For some credible evidence.