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Iran and Turkey's secret talks on Syria revealed

Plan envisaged ceasefire, national unity government and elections under UN supervision but collapsed over worries about Assad’s role, says report

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Turkish foreign minister Ahmet Davutoğlu, left, with Iranian foreign minister Mohammad Javad Zarif in 2013, when diplomacy was taking place over Syria. Photograph: Anadolu Agency/Getty Images


Iran and Turkey held secret talks on peace proposals for Syria in 2013 and as recently as this year, but the talks broke down amid mutual suspicions, according to a new report to be published on Tuesday.

The report on the Iran-Turkey relationship by the International Crisis Group (ICG), is based on interviews with top officials. It is being published as pro-regime forces, including Iranian-led militias, storm the last rebel-held districts of Aleppo amid reports of massacres.

The report is the latest of a series of accounts of failed diplomacy throughout the nearly six years of the Syrian conflict, which has cost the lives of up to half a million people. It says that in September 2013, three months after the election of pragmatist president Hassan Rouhani, Tehran presented Ankara with a peace proposal that had been formulated in consultation with Qassem Suleimani, the head of the powerful Quds Force of the Revolutionary Guard.

The plan envisaged a ceasefire followed by a national unity government and constitutional reform aimed at constraining presidential powers. Most importantly, there would then be presidential and legislative elections under UN supervision. The plan was the subject of several months of shuttle diplomacy between the Iranian foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, and his Turkish counterpart, Ahmet Davutoğlu, but it eventually collapsed over the future role of the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad.

“We agreed on every detail, except a clause in the final phase of the plan which called for UN-monitored elections. Turkish leaders wanted Assad barred,” Zarif is quoted as saying in the report. “I noted that this should not be a concern in an internationally monitored election, particularly if, as Turkey holds, Assad has a dreadful record and a minority constituency. But Davutoğlu refused... and our efforts came to naught.”


According to the report, titled Turkey and Iran: Bitter Friends, Bosom Rivals, the Turkish government did not believe that Assad would accept any transition process that would weaken his grip on power and Ankara still thought his military defeat was inevitable.

The Turkish president at the time, Abdullah Gül, told the ICG “our government did not pursue an agreement with Iran because it thought Assad would be toppled in a few months”.

“From Ankara’s perspective, Assad’s battlefield losses would remove need to compromise or at least improve a deal’s terms,” the report said.

The ICG said a second opening for a Tehran-Ankara deal presented itself after the abortive military coup in Turkey in July this year, when Iran promptly stated its support for president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, creating a temporary thaw in relations and a resumption of talks on Syria. At the same time, military advances by Kurdish YPG forces in northern Syria had led to a simultaneous reconciliation between Ankara and Moscow.

Although the Iranians and Turks still disagreed on Assad’s fate, they focused their discussion on other issues, including whether there should be a presidential or parliamentary system and how power should be shared in general. After two high-level rounds, the report says, the talks got mired in mutual distrust heightened by Turkey’s decision to intervene directly in Syria, in an operation codenamed Euphrates Shield, to prevent the YPG securing all the border zone for the Kurds.

“Iranian officials expressed surprise Turkey had not notified them of the operation despite the presence of a senior Iranian official in Ankara the day before. Turkey may have feared that Iran would tip off the YPG,” the report suggests.
 
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Iran and Turkey's secret talks on Syria revealed

Plan envisaged ceasefire, national unity government and elections under UN supervision but collapsed over worries about Assad’s role, says report

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Turkish foreign minister Ahmet Davutoğlu, left, with Iranian foreign minister Mohammad Javad Zarif in 2013, when diplomacy was taking place over Syria. Photograph: Anadolu Agency/Getty Images


Iran and Turkey held secret talks on peace proposals for Syria in 2013 and as recently as this year, but the talks broke down amid mutual suspicions, according to a new report to be published on Tuesday.

The report on the Iran-Turkey relationship by the International Crisis Group (ICG), is based on interviews with top officials. It is being published as pro-regime forces, including Iranian-led militias, storm the last rebel-held districts of Aleppo amid reports of massacres.

The report is the latest of a series of accounts of failed diplomacy throughout the nearly six years of the Syrian conflict, which has cost the lives of up to half a million people. It says that in September 2013, three months after the election of pragmatist president Hassan Rouhani, Tehran presented Ankara with a peace proposal that had been formulated in consultation with Qassem Suleimani, the head of the powerful Quds Force of the Revolutionary Guard.

The plan envisaged a ceasefire followed by a national unity government and constitutional reform aimed at constraining presidential powers. Most importantly, there would then be presidential and legislative elections under UN supervision. The plan was the subject of several months of shuttle diplomacy between the Iranian foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, and his Turkish counterpart, Ahmet Davutoğlu, but it eventually collapsed over the future role of the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad.

“We agreed on every detail, except a clause in the final phase of the plan which called for UN-monitored elections. Turkish leaders wanted Assad barred,” Zarif is quoted as saying in the report. “I noted that this should not be a concern in an internationally monitored election, particularly if, as Turkey holds, Assad has a dreadful record and a minority constituency. But Davutoğlu refused... and our efforts came to naught.”


According to the report, titled Turkey and Iran: Bitter Friends, Bosom Rivals, the Turkish government did not believe that Assad would accept any transition process that would weaken his grip on power and Ankara still thought his military defeat was inevitable.

The Turkish president at the time, Abdullah Gül, told the ICG “our government did not pursue an agreement with Iran because it thought Assad would be toppled in a few months”.

“From Ankara’s perspective, Assad’s battlefield losses would remove need to compromise or at least improve a deal’s terms,” the report said.

The ICG said a second opening for a Tehran-Ankara deal presented itself after the abortive military coup in Turkey in July this year, when Iran promptly stated its support for president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, creating a temporary thaw in relations and a resumption of talks on Syria. At the same time, military advances by Kurdish YPG forces in northern Syria had led to a simultaneous reconciliation between Ankara and Moscow.

Although the Iranians and Turks still disagreed on Assad’s fate, they focused their discussion on other issues, including whether there should be a presidential or parliamentary system and how power should be shared in general. After two high-level rounds, the report says, the talks got mired in mutual distrust heightened by Turkey’s decision to intervene directly in Syria, in an operation codenamed Euphrates Shield, to prevent the YPG securing all the border zone for the Kurds.

“Iranian officials expressed surprise Turkey had not notified them of the operation despite the presence of a senior Iranian official in Ankara the day before. Turkey may have feared that Iran would tip off the YPG,” the report suggests.
Good old turkish "zero problems" foreign policy in action:sarcastic: [gobble,gobble]:omghaha:
 
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Good old turkish "zero problems" foreign policy in action:sarcastic: [gobble,gobble]:omghaha:
We've never had friendship with our neighbours. I hope it stays that way. We are clearly culturally different to you guys. Problems in the ME will never go away.
 
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All rats finally left East Aleppo, Aleppo liberated!
Erdogan can play further wannabe sultan, nobody cares.
Russia have them on leash in Syria, if Erdogan dont behave he will be slapped
oh, by the way, Sultans most advanced Leopard-2A4 tanks get fried by Kornets.
some days ago turkish F-16 was downed.
Next station -> Palmyra!
 
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Neither Iran nor Turkey or anybody else has the right to decide on anything for Syria and Iraq.

These 2 countries should decide the fate of themselves.

Elections under the supervision of UN. period.
 
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Elections under the supervision of UN. period.

Under the supervision of the Zionist whorehouse called "UN"?

You think if Assad win an election the west will say
"Ok, the people voted for Assad, we dont want to overthrow him"

cmon ;)

Beside, the majority of syrians are for Assad, the west and the so called main stream media just fake everything...
 
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Neither Iran nor Turkey or anybody else has the right to decide on anything for Syria and Iraq.

These 2 countries should decide the fate of themselves.

Elections under the supervision of UN. period.

After this point where nearly every single country in the Middle East is involved. Secondly, Aleppo for example, the fight was between SAA and Rebels but when table to negotiation was set, it was Turkey and Russia who sat on table to come into terms. I assume its the same for Iran, US, EU...etc. None of us, at least Turks, should take one step back from our national interests in Syria and Iraq. But that doesn't cover the fact that in Aleppo everyone lost his sense of humanity at some place near the streets where the battle is fought, actually particularly in any kind of war. Its just that mostly it is Syria's Aleppo that makes it to CNN headlines to deliver us the brutality.
 
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We've never had friendship with our neighbours. I hope it stays that way. We are clearly culturally different to you guys. Problems in the ME will never go away.

You sound like a fool!!!!!!!!!! With delusions of grandeur!!!! Go read a little about your own history and heritage then come here and spout nonsense!!!!!!! And if I was you for reality to become clear I would start at 300 AD and move backwards!
 
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You sound like a fool!!!!!!!!!! With delusions of grandeur!!!! Go read a little about your own history and heritage then come here and spout nonsense!!!!!!! And if I was you for reality to become clear I would start at 300 AD and move backwards!
What does this mean? Turks clearly have nothing in common with you guys.
Just maybe same faith. That is all.
And on your request. I just checked my history and heritage. and I still maintain we have nothing in common with you fine folks.
 
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Neither Iran nor Turkey or anybody else has the right to decide on anything for Syria and Iraq.

These 2 countries should decide the fate of themselves.

Elections under the supervision of UN. period.

Under the supervision of people that place a Saudi Prince as the head of the UN Human Right Council!!!!!!! That's absurd!

Best way forward is if Assad remains the commander in Chief of the Military with veto over foreign policy matters as president for the next 10 years + elections to 1st create a parliament monitored by more than just the corrupt UN!!!!!!!!!
Parliament picks a prime minister that in charge of everything except for the military can make foreign policy but Assad will have veto powers over it! Then in 10 year Syrians can again vote for another president!

Each poll booth will need to be monitored by 1 U.N. official, 2 Pro Assad official & 2 opposition official. Iran, Turkey, EU & Russia will also be allowed to put a 1 monitor at each booth.

It needs to be known from the beginning that every voter needs to be able to prove that they & their parents are Syrian citizens! No refugee or foreigners will be allowed to participate in the elections!

There should be one day for registration to give out a pictured voter registration card and they'll need digital fingerprints both during registration & voting to make sure their is no cheating & no one votes twice!!!!!!!
 
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What does this mean? Turks clearly have nothing in common with you guys.
Just maybe same faith. That is all.
And on your request. I just checked my history and heritage. and I still maintain we have nothing in common with youfine folks.

Go read proper history books. Turks were culturally educated by the Persians. That means when you guys left your yurts and started to engage with true civilizations. Go read about the Samanids, Ghaznavids, Seljuks, influence of Persian poetry on Turkish poetry, mass conversion of Turks to Islam under guidance of Samanid Persians, Persian cultural influence on the Ottomans, architecture, music, etc.

You may think that many of your cultural elements today are uniquely Turkish, but that is only because of sheer ignorance.
 
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All rats finally left East Aleppo, Aleppo liberated!
Erdogan can play further wannabe sultan, nobody cares.
Russia have them on leash in Syria, if Erdogan dont behave he will be slapped
oh, by the way, Sultans most advanced Leopard-2A4 tanks get fried by Kornets.
some days ago turkish F-16 was downed.
Next station -> Palmyra!

Where do you get your news sources gypsy? From press TV? I thought you had a agreement with Syria that nobody can go in their country? Our forces are in Syria and I don't see Iran doing anything.
 
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Go read proper history books. Turks were culturally educated by the Persians. That means when you guys left your yurts and started to engage with true civilizations. Go read about the Samanids, Ghaznavids, Seljuks, influence of Persian poetry on Turkish poetry, mass conversion of Turks to Islam under guidance of Samanid Persians, Persian cultural influence on the Ottomans, architecture, music, etc.

You may think that many of your cultural elements today are uniquely Turkish, but that is only because of sheer ignorance.

Turks dominated you for thousands of years. You just need to look at the your region in the last 1000 years and see who was there. We dominated every region we went to, the locals don't matter its all about the ruling class and they were always Turks. This is another subject though and I don't want to carry it on here..
 
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Neither Iran nor Turkey or anybody else has the right to decide on anything for Syria and Iraq.

These 2 countries should decide the fate of themselves.

Elections under the supervision of UN. period.

Agree however if we don't decide or at least take part then you think others won't? US, Russia, Europe won't somehow get involved and create a situation in there best interests? The best scenario is for every country to defend these two countries unity, create a ceasefire, assad to step down until there is a proper election under the supervision of UN as you said.
 
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Go read proper history books.

I know what I know about my own culture. I don't need any help from the likes of your kind.

Turks were culturally educated by the Persians.

Keep telling yourself that. Reality is a lot different though. We share absolutely nothing with Persians.

That means when you guys left your yurts and started to engage with true civilizations.

Oh, so Nomads became civilized because of Persians? What kinda nonsense is this. Stop reading your bias history of the world. Persians might have had influence on Hindus, Arabs or whatever, but not to Turks.

influence of Persian poetry on Turkish poetry

Examples?

Persian cultural influence on the Ottomans, architecture, music, etc.

Oh, so now our Music is influenced by Persians? Please prove this to me.

You may think that many of your cultural elements today are uniquely Turkish,

Turks share more in common with Arabs, culturally they influenced us more, though that doesn't mean we're friendly with them. Same goes for Greeks. We share nothing if you folks now. So this zero problems with all nonsense to begin with.
 
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