Invigilators strip two Dalit girls in exam hall

[RazPaK]

Well said. Now are invigilators supposed to check the caste certificate of the candidate first before they decide to take action against cheating. Anyways I am waiting for a clearer picture about the 'stripping part'. I don't think the invigilators had them remove all their clothing in front of the class.

Lmao now the invigilators are supposed to check the caste certificate before STRIP SEARCHING them?



The f.uck is wrong with you dude? They were fifteen years old.

 

[Tshering22]

Lmao now the invigilators are supposed to check the caste certificate before STRIP SEARCHING them?



The f.uck is wrong with you dude? They were fifteen years old.

Well caste is being highlighted by masala media. The bottomline is that two girls were dishonored. But the media won't get TRPs if it posts the facts without adding a bit of fuel.

This is shameful and is against humanity. I wish the invigilators get castrated without anesthesia.

 

[SQ8]

Well caste is being highlighted by masala media. The bottomline is that two girls were dishonored. But the media won't get TRPs if it posts the facts without adding a bit of fuel.

This is shameful and is against humanity. I wish the invigilators get castrated without anesthesia.

And that .. is the bottom line.
TRP's.
Blowing up an event beyond proportions.. that leads to all sorts of jabs from all sides.

 

[harpoon]

The candidates taking board exams should have the balls the size of foot ball to to protect their and others honour.. I am deeply sadden to witness a secularist defending humiliating act of invigilators against two female candidates..

I am not defending anything..either the alleged dishonour of the girls or the alleged cheating by the girls

Well caste is being highlighted by masala media. The bottomline is that two girls were dishonored. But the media won't get TRPs if it posts the facts without adding a bit of fuel.

This is shameful and is against humanity. I wish the invigilators get castrated without anesthesia.

You realize that they are women.

Also how much checking leads to 'stripping' needs to be clarified.

Lmao now the invigilators are supposed to check the caste certificate before STRIP SEARCHING them?



The f.uck is wrong with you dude? They were fifteen years old.

It still needs to be clarified how much 'stripping' actually was done.

 

[oFFbEAT]

Conversion is a way out for these people.......

ok, so you think conversion is the solution....

Now tell me, in which sect they sould convert to ...i.e should they become Shia or Sunni....

you are suggesting, they should reject caste based discrimination and embrace sect based discrimination.....

Think of the Shias in Pakistan, 'In the last two decades, as many as 4,000 people are estimated to have died in sectarian fighting in Pakistan'
Sectarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Think of the Shia population of Iraq during Saddam's rule.....


The dalits can atleast stay in their own country....but different muslim sects need their own countries...they can't co-exist...
just look at the list of muslim countries in the below link......
List of Muslim-majority countries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
....either they are sunni majority or shia majority.....One of the sects become the minority group due to mass killing by the more powerful opposite sect.

If you think logically, you will find that, there is no basic difference between the Hindu caste system, Muslim sectaniasm, Racism in the west etc....
All of them are tools in the hands of powerful,rich people to suppress the weak and poor.....

Any kind of segregation/discrimination based on cast,creed,race etc is despicable....all humans are born equal.....

Thus, if you are denouncing one form of discrimination and appreciating the other, then you are a hypocrite......

Therefore, before suggesting someone to convert to Islam.....make Islam free of sectarianism......

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

There are 300 million dalits in India and daily they are going to be victims of some crime or the other... what's that got to do with being dalit???

 

[53fd]

Terrible ordeal for the girls. Hope the MP government brings the perpetrators to justice, rather than merely just investigating/looking into the matter.

 

[IndoCarib]

National shame. Cant believe this happens even now. Some Indian states are still in stone ages

 

[lem34]

National shame. Cant believe this happens even now. Some Indian states are still in stone ages

You guys should campaign to make this evil dissapear

This is shameful and is against humanity. I wish the invigilators get castrated without anesthesia.

I thought the invigilators were women??

 

[oFFbEAT]

You guys should campaign to make this evil dissapear....

we have already done that......and the result is, the Indian constitution has abolished the caste system....any caste based discrimination is punishable under IPC.....

BUT, laws can never guarantee that a particular crime would naver happen.....it only decreases the crime rate....
Thus, one or two stray incidents might happen here and there....but over all, they are well protected......
As a counter measure of social discrimination.....they enjoy more priviledges from the govt. than the "general" caste people....


Now let me ask you, what you guys are doing against another form of discrimination(sectarianism).....against your minority Shia brother..........what you guys are doing to stop their mass killing......

http://www.defence.pk/forums/curren...ersecution-shias-ahmadis-pakistan-pervez.html
http://tribune.com.pk/story/345377/run-for-your-life/

 

[oFFbEAT]

2 girls Stripped in front of 40 boys, thats disgusting.. I hope government will take strict actions.

keeping the dalit issue aside.....

I think, the incident wouldn't have created so much fuss.....if a boy was strip searched....

Now tell me.....why can't boys and girls be treated EQUALLY....

 

[Shardul.....the lion]

It was a shameless, unethical approach adopted by two women teachers. Since women searched the girls, I would expect they would have maintained a level of decency. But media has blown this out of proportions.

This news has nothing do with dalit issue.

Pakistanis are having a dream run here by talking about dalit issue in India where in Pakistan itself thousands and thousands of ahmadis, qaddanis, hindus, christians, shias are facing huge amount of discrimination. Then there are blasphemy cases.
Then their was one guy or girl who pronounced some religous sermon wrongly and was punished badly.

Thinking bad of India makes Pakistan looks like a Utopian land. Good for you, Keep pointing towards neighbours and ignoring own problems.

 

[fallstuff]

This is not an isolated or a one off that should be brushed under the carpet as some our Indian friends have suggested. The Hindu a newspaper this to say on Saturday in its opinon page:

Why have we banished our own brethren?
Shura Darapuri

On the eve of the moving of the Draft Constitution in 1949, Dr. Ambedkar expressed his insurmountable fear over the existing inequalities in Indian society. He observed:

“On 26th Jan 1950 we are going to enter a life of contradictions. In politics we will have equality and in social and economic life we will have inequality. In politics we will be recognising the principle of one man and one vote, one value. In our social and economic life we shall by reason of our social and economic structure continue to deny the principle of one man, one value.”

Dr. Ambedkar was well aware of the discrimination faced by Dalits due to the institutionalised caste system. He said: “On the social plane, we have an India based on the principles of graded inequality, which means elevation of some and degradation of others. On the economic plane, we have a society in which there are some who have immense wealth as against many who live in abject poverty.”

Dr. Ambedkar's observations were true, made on the basis of some of his own painful experiences, when way back in 1918 in spite of attaining high educational qualifications he was not allowed to drink water from a pot ‘reserved' for the high caste professorial staff at Sydenham College of Commerce and Economics in Mumbai. Dr. Ambedkar realised then that education had not succeeded in bringing out the desired attitudinal change in most of the “upper” caste people towards Dalits. “Upper caste” in village or city even with the highest degrees shared the same mindset when issues of Dalits emerged.

Only recently, on 15 February 2012, at Daulatpur village in Haryana's Uklana region, a Dalit youth had to face the wrath of an upper caste when in a bid to quench his thirst he drank water from a pot located on his premises. Once his caste became known, his hand was chopped off with a sickle. Even though we are living in the 21 century and make claims of having the world's largest democracy, there is little change in the attitude of the upper caste towards Dalits, literate or illiterate.

Surveys* show that 27.6% of Dalits are still prevented from entering police stations and 25.7% from entering ration shops. Thirty-three per cent of public health workers refuse to visit Dalit homes, and 23.5% of Dalits still do not get letters delivered in their homes. Segregated seating arrangements for Dalits are found in 30.8% of self-help groups and cooperatives, and 29.6% of panchayat offices. In 14.4% of villages, Dalits are not permitted even to enter the panchayat building. In 12% of villages, they are denied access to polling booths or forced to form a separate line.[/B]

In 48.4% of villages, Dalits are still denied access to common water sources. In 35.8%, they are denied entry into village shops. They are supposed to wait at some distance from the shop, the shopkeepers keep the goods they bought on the ground, and accept their money similarly without direct contact. In teashops, again in about one-third of the villages, Dalits are denied seating and are required to use separate cups. In as many as 73% of the villages, they are not permitted to enter non-Dalit homes, and in 70% of villages non-Dalits do not eat together with Dalits.In more than 47% villages, bans operate on wedding processions on public (arrogated to upper caste) roads. In 10 to 20% of villages, Dalits are not allowed even to wear clean, bright or fashionable clothes or sunglasses. They are not allowed to ride their bicycles, unfurl their umbrellas, wear sandals on public roads, smoke or even stand without the head bowed.

Restrictions on temple entry average as high as 64%, ranging from 47% in Uttar Pradesh to 94% in Karnataka. In 48.9% of the surveyed villages, Dalits are barred from access to the cremation grounds.

In 25% of the villages, Dalits are paid lower wages than other workers. They are often subjected to much longer working hours, delayed wages, verbal and even physical abuse, not just in ‘feudal' States like Bihar but also notably in Punjab. In 37% of the villages, Dalit workers are paid wages from a distance, to avoid physical contact.

In 35% of villages, Dalit producers are still barred from selling their produce in local markets. Instead, they are forced to sell it in the anonymity of distant urban markets where caste identities somewhat blur, imposing additional burdens of costs and time, and reducing their profit margin and competitiveness.

Just because they happen to be born in the “wrong community,” Dalit families are subjected to some of the extreme forms of humiliation and degradation generation after generation. They are treated as worse than animals. So much so, now most of them have internalised discrimination as their fate and they dare not raise voice against their tormentor for fear of punishment. For, they know even if they protest they have no hope of getting justice. That is because a majority of the positions in the government set-up are occupied by the “upper castes.”

And even if with great difficulty a lower caste person tries to make it to those positions, he is kept out through shrewd manipulations. Between 1950 and 2000, 47% of Chief Justices and 40% of judges were of Brahmin origin, according to a parliamentary committee report. In order to continue their monopoly over important positions, upper caste people have fought tooth and nail using all possible means to keep Dalits from even dreaming of aspiring for those positions.

To break the domination of upper castes, it became necessary to introduce affirmative action for and positive discrimination of Dalits, as part of the policy of the government. But implementing positive discrimination has not been an easy task and many seats reserved exclusively for Dalits still remain vacant, again because of the shrewd manipulations of the dominating castes.

In spite of traditions of high educational qualifications, many feign ignorance of the constitutional laws; rather they do not want to understand them because of their vested interests. In spite of glaring atrocities against Dalits, they are reluctant to share with them positions their families have been holding for ages. Complicity of the state makes situation worse, allowing crime against Dalits continue. Equality remains on paper.

Even today, given a chance many still do not hesitate to shift all the blame on the colonial regime for most of the ills existing in Indian society, especially for dividing the country. The British government even today is being accused of making a mockery of civilisation and its principles by its hypocritical actions. But now their place is taken over by our own country brethren, the only difference being ‘hypocritical action' is directed against their own countrymen.

Some of the “upper castes,” it seems, are bent on leaving behind Britishers when it comes to the issues of oppression. Dalits are targeted most because the perpetrators are aware that they are not empowered. On July 11, 1997, sub-inspector M.Y. Kadam left General Dyer of Jallianwalabagh massacre behind, when he fired shots at his own countrymen and co-religionist Dalit protesters, above the waist, who had gathered in Ramabai colony in Mumbai in protest against desecration of Dr Ambedkar's statue.

Moral and ethical issues and democratic values get subordinated in the face of corruption perpetuated by the oppressive caste system. There is not even the remotest desire to make democracy more functional. The caste system with graded inequality remains popular amongst those whose privileges are associated with it. For the same reason, the idea of egalitarian society fails to gain currency in their quarters. Lessons like, “United we stand and divided we fall” are hard to learn and even if by mistake they are learnt, they become hard to implement. Caste is meant to divide, not unite. A nation which lost its freedom on that account should be cautious, lest its divisions drive it to a state of subservience to an alien rule again. What ‘hidden pride' lies in discriminating against and oppressing one's own countrymen and co-religionists is hard to discern.

* (The details of the surveys have been sourced from the book, Untouchability in Rural India, authored by Ghanshyam Shah, Harsh Mander, Sukhadeo Thorat, Satish Deshpande and Amita Baviskar published by SAG

Seems like apartheid all over to me

This tells me the Indian posters have no clue about what their country is really like. I would assume these are all high caste privilaged as the way they scoff and label dalits as vote banks.

 

[scholseys]

What does the word dalit mean?

 

[Roybot]

Surveys* show that 27.6% of Dalits are still prevented from entering police stations and 25.7% from entering ration shops. Thirty-three per cent of public health workers refuse to visit Dalit homes, and 23.5% of Dalits still do not get letters delivered in their homes. Segregated seating arrangements for Dalits are found in 30.8% of self-help groups and cooperatives, and 29.6% of panchayat offices. In 14.4% of villages, Dalits are not permitted even to enter the panchayat building. In 12% of villages, they are denied access to polling booths or forced to form a separate line.

* (The details of the surveys have been sourced from the book, Untouchability in Rural India, authored by Ghanshyam Shah, Harsh Mander, Sukhadeo Thorat, Satish Deshpande and Amita Baviskar published by SAG

This tells me the Indian posters have no clue about what their country is really like. I would assume these are all high caste privilaged as the way they scoff and label dalits as vote banks.

Its nothing like that. Those figures are from a book published in 2006, which in turn uses data from an NGO Survey(conducted by Action Aid and funded by Christian Aid) from the year 2000.

Most of the Indians here were kids 12 years ago. I was a 13 year old teenager myself. Secondly, hardly anyone here is from a rural area so they have never seen anything as such.

Coming back to discrimination, I won't say it doesn't exist, but it has certainly gone down and with more and more people getting education, it will decrease even further.

The only sign of any discrimiation that I have seen when I go to my village is that people from "lower" castes won't sit on the same level as me, even if I insist them to sit on the same "charpai" or a chair next to me. But something like that is not limited to India, its the same in Pakistan too, anyone denying it will be lying to himself.

tl;dr Caste based discrimination exists but not to the extent its made out to be. It has gone down from what it was 10, 20, 30 years ago and it will go further down, education and urbanization is the key here. Such discrimination doesn't exist in Urban areas at all.

The survey mentioned is outdated and the findings over hyped (i mean look at the funding source!).