Investigations under way to recover Chinese nationals from Quetta

[surya kiran]

When a terrorist KY caught red handed from Balochistan and India moves to ICJ to save the terrorist as an asset

Yes. A trial carried out by a court which refuses to provide proof. Talking about proof and dossiers which your government supposedly submitted got thrown out by everyone, saying they were speculations and had no concrete evidence whatsoever. So spare me for not believing in your 'courts'. Did you chaps even bother trying him in a court of law? NO. You know why? Because your chaps know, your 'evidence' will not stand scrutiny.

So like I said, keep us out of this discussion. You chaps are not able to control your provinces. Do not blame every kidnapping or nonsense on us. Gross incompetence of your government and of your so called 'security forces'. The record of your DG ISPR is utter rubbish as far as acceptance of the truth is concerned.

 

[khail007]

Yes. A trial carried out by a court which refuses to provide proof. Talking about proof and dossiers which your government supposedly submitted got thrown out by everyone, saying they were speculations and had no concrete evidence whatsoever. So spare me for not believing in your 'courts'. Did you chaps even bother trying him in a court of law? NO. You know why? Because your chaps know, your 'evidence' will not stand scrutiny.

So like I said, keep us out of this discussion. You chaps are not able to control your provinces. Do not blame every kidnapping or nonsense on us. Gross incompetence of your government and of your so called 'security forces'. The record of your DG ISPR is utter rubbish as far as acceptance of the truth is concerned.

If so, it is better for you to leave this thread and stay out. Here, Pakistanis consider KY as terrorists and will favour his execution. It will be very painful for Indians.
So please stay out else your feelings and sympathy for a terrorist will continue to hurt.

 

[Musafir117]

We are only 'morally' supporting them. Rest is hogwash as usual by you DGISPR due its inability to control your Baloch population.

Heck, nobody in the world accepts your version. Except the Pakistani 'awam' which believes that PA was not involved in Kargil, Osama was not in Pakistan, 1971 was Indian aggression, Kasab was some Hindu, PA is sitting on Siachen and on and on and on. Btw, even those caught were gunmen not terrorists. Poor Balochis are being turned militants because of excesses of the PA. Terrorists they are not. Militants probably, fighting the decades of blatant oppression by the Pakistani state.

See how this discussion will go? So please spare us the nonsense. Continue your discussions and don't pull India into this discussion. Please stick to known facts of the case.

Tumhare chache mame lagte hai keya you want to morally supporting them? Indian involvement in Baluchistan is a naked truth you guys funding rats to below up and make unrest.

 

[haviZsultan]

Yeah .. that's what I want : Equal importance to balochistan and that is why I'm here .

A lot of the problems in Pakistan are related to the fact that the 2 ethnic groups at the top of the hierarchy are unwilling to admit that we have an elevated status in Pakistan. I have some possible but unproven pashtun background too but as an urdu speaker I recognize the status my language urdu has in Pakistan. Its the language of barely 8% but has a high status in the country. The problem is Balochi and to an extent Pashto is barely taught in schools all over Balochistan. Local people deserve to learn in their own language. Also even if Balochi is taught it does not offer many opportunities. Even I have never seen anyone in my family receive education even in urdu as it does not offer many career opportunities and where available these opportunities are available the problem is low pay. Now if this is the situation with urdu what will be the case of smaller languages which do not have state patronage like Balochi and Brahvi.

He was the educational secretary . Abdullah Jan . He was kidnapped months ago , I haven't come across of his release news .

https://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&...Ke6QThzMFzezr3pmA&sig2=euIEaQKm56iNnoyfxqvE3A

Oh yeah. I heard. Just forgot. Guess its been some time that's why. Though dunno why I remembered Saba Dashtiari and others.

This all is just disgusting, it makes quetta look like Some afghanistan .

Yes.

I had a class fellow whose father was also education minister taahir shafeeq mahmood khan , he was also kidnapped and then was martyred by the bloody terrorists. What a good man he was , everywhere in quetta in many places you see the development done by his funds and that's what these terrorists doesn't want . They don't want development, they don't balochistan to become educated . Our hindu teacher manoj kumaar was also kidnapped but then was released when given them money .

Its our divisions that are a problem too. I have noticed the Jamalis and Zehris of Balochistan are extremely patriotic. Some from other parts are more inclined towards seeking their rights. Others want independence though being from Balochistan you would know they are a tiny minority.

I don't think Balochs seeking their rights are a problem as the Punjabi elite treats them. Its everyones basic right to have a Pakistan that is equal. But I think patriotism is also an important thing. We should have a national outlook too. If we did not for example we wouldn't think about the damage terrorist parties like MQM have done to Pakistan which my ethnic group votes for without thinking. Balochistan's predicament is also the fact that it is divided between Pashtuns and Balochs. Pashtuns vote Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party and Baloch vote is divided though among Karachis Baloch community I have witnessed support for PPP which I honestly despise. But hey who am I to question the core reasons for voting PPP.

What the hell man , islamabad should realise we aren't colony of pakistan. We deserve that equal security and development you give to other parts of country .

Agreed.

Balochistan is one hell of a place

Sure must be. Never been there. But am keen to learn. Which party you or your family vote for and what is your tribe? I like BNP and student groups like BSO Pajjar. Mengal is one hell of a leader.

I'm scared as hell for the Chinese too .
I continually prayed for their and the secretarys release . May Allah keep them all safe .
Allah sub ko apne hufz o amaan me rakhay or jld rehaai de . Aameen.

Aameen. Good talking to you.

 

[Clutch]

We are only 'morally' supporting them. Rest is hogwash as usual by you DGISPR due its inability to control your Baloch population.

Heck, nobody in the world accepts your version. Except the Pakistani 'awam' which believes that PA was not involved in Kargil, Osama was not in Pakistan, 1971 was Indian aggression, Kasab was some Hindu, PA is sitting on Siachen and on and on and on. Btw, even those caught were gunmen not terrorists. Poor Balochis are being turned militants because of excesses of the PA. Terrorists they are not. Militants probably, fighting the decades of blatant oppression by the Pakistani state.

See how this discussion will go? So please spare us the nonsense. Continue your discussions and don't pull India into this discussion. Please stick to known facts of the case.

Everyone on the other side believes their support of their terrorist is only for "moral" purposes.

 

[Well.wisher]

A lot of the problems in Pakistan are related to the fact that the 2 ethnic groups at the top of the hierarchy are unwilling to admit that we have an elevated status in Pakistan. I have some possible but unproven pashtun background too but as an urdu speaker I recognize the status my language urdu has in Pakistan. Its the language of barely 8% but has a high status in the country. The problem is Balochi and to an extent Pashto is barely taught in schools all over Balochistan. Local people deserve to learn in their own language. Also even if Balochi is taught it does not offer many opportunities. Even I have never seen anyone in my family receive education even in urdu as it does not offer many career opportunities and where available these opportunities are available the problem is low pay. Now if this is the situation with urdu what will be the case of smaller languages which do not have state patronage like Balochi and Brahvi.






Its our divisions that are a problem too. I have noticed the Jamalis and Zehris of Balochistan are extremely patriotic. Some from other parts are more inclined towards seeking their rights. Others want independence though being from Balochistan you would know they are a tiny minority.

I don't think Balochs seeking their rights are a problem as the Punjabi elite treats them. Its everyones basic right to have a Pakistan that is equal. But I think patriotism is also an important thing. We should have a national outlook too. If we did not for example we wouldn't think about the damage terrorist parties like MQM have done to Pakistan which my ethnic group votes for without thinking. Balochistan's predicament is also the fact that it is divided between Pashtuns and Balochs. Pashtuns vote Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party and Baloch vote is divided though among Karachis Baloch community I have witnessed support for PPP which I honestly despise. But hey who am I to question the core reasons for voting PPP.



u.

Thanks for enlightening the language opportunities .

In my opinion , balochistan people voting for PPP is because PPP preserves the rights of baloch amd doesn't discriminate or pressurise their language or rights , that is why and because bilawal has often came to balochistan and addressed , benezir bhutto has a very higher importance in the uneducated parts of balochistan. but these naive people forget that PPP did nothing good for balochistan because it had leaders like aslam raisaani .
I can't think about other reasons .

I personally favor abdul malik baloch as the cm , he was a very good person that balochistan lost .
He knew the importance of education and no one except abdul malik worked for education in balochistan.

A lot of the problems in Pakistan are related to the fact that the 2 ethnic groups at the top of the hierarchy are unwilling to admit that we have an elevated status in Pakistan. I have some possible but unproven pashtun background too but as an urdu speaker I recognize the status my language urdu has in Pakistan. Its the language of barely 8% but has a high status in the country. The problem is Balochi and to an extent Pashto is barely taught in schools all over Balochistan. Local people deserve to learn in their own language. Also even if Balochi is taught it does not offer many opportunities. Even I have never seen anyone in my family receive education even in urdu as it does not offer many career opportunities and where available these opportunities are available the problem is low pay. Now if this is the situation with urdu what will be the case of smaller languages which do not have state patronage like Balochi and Brahvi.



Oh yeah. I heard. Just forgot. Guess its been some time that's why. Though dunno why I remembered Saba Dashtiari and others.



Yes.



Its our divisions that are a problem too. I have noticed the Jamalis and Zehris of Balochistan are extremely patriotic. Some from other parts are more inclined towards seeking their rights. Others want independence though being from Balochistan you would know they are a tiny minority.

I don't think Balochs seeking their rights are a problem as the Punjabi elite treats them. Its everyones basic right to have a Pakistan that is equal. But I think patriotism is also an important thing. We should have a national outlook too. If we did not for example we wouldn't think about the damage terrorist parties like MQM have done to Pakistan which my ethnic group votes for without thinking. Balochistan's predicament is also the fact that it is divided between Pashtuns and Balochs. Pashtuns vote Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party and Baloch vote is divided though among Karachis Baloch community I have witnessed support for PPP which I honestly despise. But hey who am I to question the core reasons for voting PPP.



Agreed.



Sure must be. Never been there. But am keen to learn. Which party you or your family vote for and what is your tribe? I like BNP and student groups like BSO Pajjar. Mengal is one hell of a leader.


Aameen. Good talking to you.

I'm from jaffarbad, my tribe is jamot, also called bhangar .
I've never voted as I was too young and didn't have cnic, but now I have it and I'm in favor of imran khan , I would like to see imran khan ruling us .
My father also likes imran khan .
But I can't say about my other relatives in the village , I've seen them doing what their leader tell them to do . If thrir lwadera tell them to vote for PPP, they'll vote without thinking . There's not much education and awareness and people have zero knowledge about politics .
When zardari came to jaffarbad, they got happy amd decided to vote , bilawal bhutto also impressed them by speaking some supportive words .

My uncle decided to go for politics , he has joined PPP and is standing up for election but I m not unhappy because he's a good man from quetta and has good intentions . The reason he chose PPP was because no other party other than PPP is known there . Here's he .
https://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&...ne4Y00vmmxMSpiqkA&sig2=CBY1nMLHuhtWkJr6RtZkNQ

Unfortunately, my other uncle who's a wadera is in conflict with him , he's corrupt , steal rights of poor . He want to win election for money .. recently he verbally abused him for standing in elections .

BNP is trash , they got their tenure but did nothing for province . Now all they do is blame others .

 

[Kabira]

I don't think Balochs seeking their rights are a problem as the Punjabi elite treats them. Its everyones basic right to have a Pakistan that is equal. But I think patriotism is also an important thing. We should have a national outlook too. If we did not for example we wouldn't think about the damage terrorist parties like MQM have done to Pakistan which my ethnic group votes for without thinking. Balochistan's predicament is also the fact that it is divided between Pashtuns and Balochs. Pashtuns vote Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party and Baloch vote is divided though among Karachis Baloch community I have witnessed support for PPP which I honestly despise. But hey who am I to question the core reasons for voting PPP.

Mostly pashtuns vote for nationalist parties. Baloch on the other hand either for nationalist parties or muslim league which is mainstream and biggest party in Balochistan by number of seats.

http://www.pabalochistan.gov.pk/index.php/members/party_pos/en/27

 

[Mian Babban]

Mostly pashtuns vote for nationalist parties.

....and for JUI-F in Baluchistan

 

[tarrar]

It is very important for PA to start a full scale military operation in the province & eliminate all the Indian paid & made in India terrorism once & for all.

 

[haviZsultan]

Thanks for enlightening the language opportunities .

In my opinion , balochistan people voting for PPP is because PPP preserves the rights of baloch amd doesn't discriminate or pressurise their language or rights , that is why and because bilawal has often came to balochistan and addressed , benezir bhutto has a very higher importance in the uneducated parts of balochistan. but these naive people forget that PPP did nothing good for balochistan because it had leaders like aslam raisaani .
I can't think about other reasons .

It is believed among the poor that PPP is the most tolerant towards ethnic rights seekers. However what I have noticed is it is way too corrupt. Extremely corrupt. It can be proven by the fact that there are around 25000 ghost schools in Pakistan. Around 8000 of them are in Sindh. Interior sindh has more corruption than Balochistan.

Btw Aslam Raisani I believe is a more recent mistake and a joke of a CM. I don't know why they didn't pick Siraj. Had bled for Balochistan and Pakistan, patriotic and if they wanted to pick a Raisani, also a Raisani.

The biggest mistake by the PPPP vis a vis Balochistan in my view was its past authoritarian nature under Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. He not only removed the elected government of the province but there was an operation which resulted in the deaths of countless Balochs. It happened in the past so perhaps many modern and young Balochs don't think it was a big problem. But at the start of the operation there was no problem of a Baloch insurgency.

There is a perception in my city that Balochs vote for PPP because of their Sindhi links. 30% of the Sindhis have Baloch background so makes some sense but in my views its more of our attypical muhajir chauvinism to discredit the Sindhis as ethnically prejudiced when we are the same if not worse.

I personally favor abdul malik baloch as the cm , he was a very good person that balochistan lost .
He knew the importance of education and no one except abdul malik worked for education in balochistan.

I agree. He was removed far too quickly. What might be the reasons?

I'm from jaffarbad, my tribe is jamot, also called bhangar .
I've never voted as I was too young and didn't have cnic, but now I have it and I'm in favor of imran khan , I would like to see imran khan ruling us .

Jafarabad is the district of Mir Muzaffar Jamali and your tribe too is known for its patriotism. Infact long ago your tribe was mocked on my youtube channel by a Baloch separatist when a friend (a bizenjo) called BLA/BRA names and Indian sponsored.

I also am sympathetic towards Imran Khan. Best choice from what we got.

My father also likes imran khan .
But I can't say about my other relatives in the village , I've seen them doing what their leader tell them to do . If thrir lwadera tell them to vote for PPP, they'll vote without thinking . There's not much education and awareness and people have zero knowledge about politics .

Thats sad to see.

When zardari came to jaffarbad, they got happy amd decided to vote , bilawal bhutto also impressed them by speaking some supportive words .

In rural areas and even for capitals of smaller provinces visiting for a politician is a big thing btw. Another place where PPP excels. I hate PPP too btw. Serious distrust of all parties that have won before. But as a cousin recently said about corporate advice which we can apply here. Learn the good things about other corporations and incorporate them in your modus operandi. Each political party that is successful has a reason to be and can learn something from the other.

My uncle decided to go for politics , he has joined PPP and is standing up for election but I m not unhappy because he's a good man from quetta and has good intentions . The reason he chose PPP was because no other party other than PPP is known there . Here's he .
https://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&...ne4Y00vmmxMSpiqkA&sig2=CBY1nMLHuhtWkJr6RtZkNQ

Nice to know. If we want to change things going into politics might be the only choice. I have the intention of hosting my political party too but too much idealism there. Rarely are new political parties successful. Even by famous people and I am not famous.

Unfortunately, my other uncle who's a wadera is in conflict with him , he's corrupt , steal rights of poor . He want to win election for money .. recently he verbally abused him for standing in elections .

Btw I have seen 2 kinds of corrupt politicians. One openly corrupt and others claiming to be clean but when you get to know them they show their real faces. Clearly I have a serious trust issue with politicians. In the past especially I used to think all are corrupt. I haven't met any clean politicians by the way.

BNP is trash , they got their tenure but did nothing for province . Now all they do is blame others .

I thought you would be voting for local parties btw. But good to see that the parties present elsewhere in the country atleast have some support in Balochistan. Would like to learn more about Balochistan personally and visit. Thats why I try to have as much conversation with Balochs on this forum. Especially Desert Fighter and Irfan Baloch and now I can add you to the list.

 

[Well.wisher]

It is believed among the poor that PPP is the most tolerant towards ethnic rights seekers. However what I have noticed is it is way too corrupt. Extremely corrupt. It can be proven by the fact that there are around 25000 ghost schools in Pakistan. Around 8000 of them are in Sindh. Interior sindh has more corruption than Balochistan.

Btw Aslam Raisani I believe is a more recent mistake and a joke of a CM. I don't know why they didn't pick Siraj. Had bled for Balochistan and Pakistan, patriotic and if they wanted to pick a Raisani, also a Raisani.

The biggest mistake by the PPPP vis a vis Balochistan in my view was its past authoritarian nature under Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. He not only removed the elected government of the province but there was an operation which resulted in the deaths of countless Balochs. It happened in the past so perhaps many modern and young Balochs don't think it was a big problem. But at the start of the operation there was no problem of a Baloch insurgency.

There is a perception in my city that Balochs vote for PPP because of their Sindhi links. 30% of the Sindhis have Baloch background so makes some sense but in my views its more of our attypical muhajir chauvinism to discredit the Sindhis as ethnically prejudiced when we are the same if not worse.



I agree. He was removed far too quickly. What might be the reasons?




t.

I really don't know . Some say it was a contract between him , sanaullah and nawaz sharif . Some say he was kicked out due to protesting on balochistan rights .

It is believed among the poor that PPP is the most tolerant towards ethnic rights seekers. However what I have noticed is it is way too corrupt. Extremely corrupt. It can be proven by the fact that there are around 25000 ghost schools in Pakistan. Around 8000 of them are in Sindh. Interior sindh has more corruption than Balochistan.

Btw Aslam Raisani I believe is a more recent mistake and a joke of a CM. I don't know why they didn't pick Siraj. Had bled for Balochistan and Pakistan, patriotic and if they wanted to pick a Raisani, also a Raisani.

The biggest mistake by the PPPP vis a vis Balochistan in my view was its past authoritarian nature under Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. He not only removed the elected government of the province but there was an operation which resulted in the deaths of countless Balochs. It happened in the past so perhaps many modern and young Balochs don't think it was a big problem. But at the start of the operation there was no problem of a Baloch insurgency.

There is a perception in my city that Balochs vote for PPP because of their Sindhi links. 30% of the Sindhis have Baloch background so makes some sense but in my views its more of our attypical muhajir chauvinism to discredit the Sindhis as ethnically prejudiced when we are the same if not worse.



I agree. He was removed far too quickly. What might be the reasons?




Jafarabad is the district of Mir Muzaffar Jamali and your tribe too is known for its patriotism. Infact long ago your tribe was mocked on my youtube channel by a Baloch separatist when a friend (a bizenjo) called BLA/BRA names and Indian sponsored.

I also am sympathetic towards Imran Khan. Best choice from what we got.



.

Yeah my tribe is less into conflicts between government or rebellions . They're mostly poor farmers who only care for 2 times meal .
But I'm glad education awareness is rising as there are many who admitted their children in schools and are trying to come out of that area and live in better places but yet there are so many whonare trapped amd has no choice except farming .

It is believed among the poor that PPP is the most tolerant towards ethnic rights seekers. However what I have noticed is it is way too corrupt. Extremely corrupt. It can be proven by the fact that there are around 25000 ghost schools in Pakistan. Around 8000 of them are in Sindh. Interior sindh has more corruption than Balochistan.

Btw Aslam Raisani I believe is a more recent mistake and a joke of a CM. I don't know why they didn't pick Siraj. Had bled for Balochistan and Pakistan, patriotic and if they wanted to pick a Raisani, also a Raisani.

The biggest mistake by the PPPP vis a vis Balochistan in my view was its past authoritarian nature under Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. He not only removed the elected government of the province but there was an operation which resulted in the deaths of countless Balochs. It happened in the past so perhaps many modern and young Balochs don't think it was a big problem. But at the start of the operation there was no problem of a Baloch insurgency.

There is a perception in my city that Balochs vote for PPP because of their Sindhi links. 30% of the Sindhis have Baloch background so makes some sense but in my views its more of our attypical muhajir chauvinism to discredit the Sindhis as ethnically prejudiced when we are the same if not worse.



I agree. He was removed far too quickly. What might be the reasons?




Jafarabad is the district of Mir Muzaffar Jamali and your tribe too is known for its patriotism. Infact long ago your tribe was mocked on my youtube channel by a Baloch separatist when a friend (a bizenjo) called BLA/BRA names and Indian sponsored.

I also am sympathetic towards Imran Khan. Best choice from what we got.



Thats sad to see.



In rural areas and even for capitals of smaller provinces visiting for a politician is a big thing btw. Another place where PPP excels. I hate PPP too btw. Serious distrust of all parties that have won before. But as a cousin recently said about corporate advice which we can apply here. Learn the good things about other corporations and incorporate them in your modus operandi. Each political party that is successful has a reason to be and can learn something from the other.



list.

Actually if you would go there with your car and suit , you'll be a center of attraction from people .

People note us too lol cause they're unfamiliar with educated or rich people coming there and that's what zardari took advantage of .
I hope they wake up and can see the corruption of zardari .

It is believed among the poor that PPP is the most tolerant towards ethnic rights seekers. However what I have noticed is it is way too corrupt. Extremely corrupt. It can be proven by the fact that there are around 25000 ghost schools in Pakistan. Around 8000 of them are in Sindh. Interior sindh has more corruption than Balochistan.

Btw Aslam Raisani I believe is a more recent mistake and a joke of a CM. I don't know why they didn't pick Siraj. Had bled for Balochistan and Pakistan, patriotic and if they wanted to pick a Raisani, also a Raisani.

The biggest mistake by the PPPP vis a vis Balochistan in my view was its past authoritarian nature under Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. He not only removed the elected government of the province but there was an operation which resulted in the deaths of countless Balochs. It happened in the past so perhaps many modern and young Balochs don't think it was a big problem. But at the start of the operation there was no problem of a Baloch insurgency.

There is a perception in my city that Balochs vote for PPP because of their Sindhi links. 30% of the Sindhis have Baloch background so makes some sense but in my views its more of our attypical muhajir chauvinism to discredit the Sindhis as ethnically prejudiced when we are the same if not worse.



I agree. He was removed far too quickly. What might be the reasons?




Jafarabad is the district of Mir Muzaffar Jamali and your tribe too is known for its patriotism. Infact long ago your tribe was mocked on my youtube channel by a Baloch separatist when a friend (a bizenjo) called BLA/BRA names and Indian sponsored.

I also am sympathetic towards Imran Khan. Best choice from what we got.



Thats sad to see.



In rural areas and even for capitals of smaller provinces visiting for a politician is a big thing btw. Another place where PPP excels. I hate PPP too btw. Serious distrust of all parties that have won before. But as a cousin recently said about corporate advice which we can apply here. Learn the good things about other corporations and incorporate them in your modus operandi. Each political party that is successful has a reason to be and can learn something from the other.



Nice to know. If we want to change things going into politics might be the only choice. I have the intention of hosting my political party too but too much idealism there. Rarely are new political parties successful. Even by famous people and I am not famous.



Btw I have seen 2 kinds of corrupt politicians. One openly corrupt and others claiming to be clean but when you get to know them they show their real faces. Clearly I have a serious trust issue with politicians. In the past especially I used to think all are corrupt. I haven't met any clean politicians by the way.



I thought you would be voting for local parties btw. But good to see that the parties present elsewhere in the country atleast have some support in Balochistan. Would like to learn more about Balochistan personally and visit. Thats why I try to have as much conversation with Balochs on this forum. Especially Desert Fighter and Irfan Baloch and now I can add you to the list.

Thankyou so much .
I would not be wrong to say that in Quetta awareness is better than other cities but I've a great hope for gawadar . For me gawadar will defeat Quetta in education and development soon in sha Allah .

Between , which party are you in and what's your position in the party ?

 

[haviZsultan]

I really don't know . Some say it was a contract between him , sanaullah and nawaz sharif . Some say he was kicked out due to protesting on balochistan rights .

In the world of back room politics and secret deals we may never know.

Yeah my tribe is less into conflicts between government or rebellions . They're mostly poor farmers who only care for 2 times meal .

Isn't it the same with most of us? Trying to make a better life for ourselves that we are forced to forget our wish to somehow work to make the country better. I really want to improve Pakistan in all ways. But things always get in the way.

Must be the same for most people. We can do our part in small ways but I have always dreamed for a big change. Like universal education, complete end to corruption and terrorism. But even if I did have a big role and say in Pakistan I might not be able to handle these things in a few days. So its a horrible situation for every Pakistani who has ever wished for Pakistan to be better.

But I'm glad education awareness is rising as there are many who admitted their children in schools and are trying to come out of that area and live in better places but yet there are so many whonare trapped amd has no choice except farming .

I am glad about that, people admitting their children to school.

Actually if you would go there with your car and suit , you'll be a center of attraction from people .

Yeah. I read a lot and have read the same thing. Apparently villagers are not used to city life and vice versa. Karachites who visit rural areas are also shocked by the difficulty of doing everything yourself and staying in the fields all day.

People note us too lol cause they're unfamiliar with educated or rich people coming there and that's what zardari took advantage of .
I hope they wake up and can see the corruption of zardari .

I understand. It is important for the political forces and bigwigs to visit smaller areas of the country to build confidence. People in these areas are looking for acceptance.

Thankyou so much .
I would not be wrong to say that in Quetta awareness is better than other cities but I've a great hope for gawadar . For me gawadar will defeat Quetta in education and development soon in sha Allah .

Yeah Gwadar is receiving more attention recently, all with the CPEC and its strategic importance.

Between , which party are you in and what's your position in the party ?[/QUOTE]

You asked me a question so I have an excuse not to run away from this conversation like I usually do and sulk at the thousand plus problems in my life.

Answer.

None. I have tried to host a political party in the past but my approach was flawed. I was outside Pakistan and I didn't have popular support. Most of my friends and even me to an extent were materialistic. The only difference being that my patriotism and my wish to do something for Pakistan felt to be the only reason for my existence and my goal in life.

I did not have enough contacts interested in Pakistan to make a political party though it remains a dream. Not even enough to appoint a secretary let alone others. I don't necessarily want to be president of the party if there is someone better than me. It shouldn't be about me but my country so I just want to play my part and express my opinions for the better future of Pakistan.

And have plans in the future too to host this political party if I get enough contacts committed to Pakistan though that is no guarantee for success. Sherpao, Qadeer, Sheikh Rasheed all are famous but their parties didn't succeed. Even PTI in the start didn't succeed. This is despite the fact that 2 of these parties, PTI by Imran Khan and Tehreek E Tahaffuz Pakistan by Abdul Qadeer Khan were formed by national heroes, one who won the world cup, the other responsible for the nations nuke program. Ironic, compared to the fact that the cronies that rule Pakistan today have nothing to their name other than their entrepreneur status, being zamidaars, and their birth during dictatorships of Ayub Khan and Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.

 

[Well.wisher]

In the world of back room politics and secret deals we may never know.



Isn't it the same with most of us? Trying to make a better life for ourselves that we are forced to forget our wish to somehow work to make the country better. I really want to improve Pakistan in all ways. But things always get in the way.

You're right . I think I fit in this category .
In my life , busy with all the problems and sometimes success , we forget to pay gratitude to my mother land through which I got this all in my life . I think I'm worse than a traitor that I bad mouth it sometimes when am scared of my own problems . Everyone around me is like that .

In the world of back room politics and secret deals we may never know.



Isn't it the same with most of us? Trying to make a better life for ourselves that we are forced to forget our wish to somehow work to make the country better. I really want to improve Pakistan in all ways. But things always get in the way.

Must be the same for most people. We can do our part in small ways but I have always dreamed for a big change. Like universal education, complete end to corruption and terrorism. But even if I did have a big role and say in Pakistan I might not be able to handle these things in a few days. So its a horrible situation for every Pakistani who has ever wished for Pakistan to be better.



I am glad about that, people admitting their children to school.



Yeah. I read a lot and have read the same thing. Apparently villagers are not used to city life and vice versa. Karachites who visit rural areas are also shocked by the difficulty of doing everything yourself and staying in the fields all day.



I understand. It is important for the political forces and bigwigs to visit smaller areas of the country to build confidence. People in these areas are looking for acceptance.



Yeah Gwadar is receiving more attention recently, all with the CPEC and its strategic importance.

Between , which party are you in and what's your position in the party ?

You asked me a question so I have an excuse not to run away from this conversation like I usually do and sulk at the thousand plus problems in my life.

Answer.

None. I have tried to host a political party in the past but my approach was flawed. I was outside Pakistan and I didn't have popular support. Most of my friends and even me to an extent were materialistic. The only difference being that my patriotism and my wish to do something for Pakistan felt to be the only reason for my existence and my goal in life.

I did not have enough contacts interested in Pakistan to make a political party though it remains a dream. Not even enough to appoint a secretary let alone others. I don't necessarily want to be president of the party if there is someone better than me. It shouldn't be about me but my country so I just want to play my part and express my opinions for the better future of Pakistan.

And have plans in the future too to host this political party if I get enough contacts committed to Pakistan though that is no guarantee for success. Sherpao, Qadeer, Sheikh Rasheed all are famous but their parties didn't succeed. Even PTI in the start didn't succeed. This is despite the fact that 2 of these parties, PTI by Imran Khan and Tehreek E Tahaffuz Pakistan by Abdul Qadeer Khan were formed by national heroes, one who won the world cup, the other responsible for the nations nuke program. Ironic, compared to the fact that the cronies that rule Pakistan today have nothing to their name other than their entrepreneur status, being zamidaars, and their birth during dictatorships of Ayub Khan and Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.[/QUOTE]

I'm glad you shared it haviz , sometimes when we've opportunities we're blind enough to not take the responsibility seriously and when we are enlightened , we lost all those opportunities.
Anyway , I wish you best with your new opportunities . You know politics is called worship , do it as you perform your worship to God .
I would be much happy to spread your message to the people here . Honest leader is the need of hour .

 

[lastone]

Abducted Chinese nationals were 'preaching' in Quetta, Nisar told..Dawn.

Two Chinese nationals abducted from Quetta last month were involved in preaching instead of business activities — their declared purpose for visiting Pakistan — Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar was informed in a high level meeting today.

Lee Zing Yang, 24, and Meng Li Si, 26, were abducted from Jinnah Town Quetta on May 24 and later murdered by the militant Islamic State.

It was not immediately clear what the interior ministry suspected them of 'preaching'.

The interior ministry confirmed the two Chinese had been killed but it was not clear if their bodies have been found.

After the briefing, the Interior Minister ordered an initial review, followed by regulation and the streamlining of the visa process to avoid the misuse of business visas by foreign nationals.

The interior minister was told that the abductees had gone to Quetta and were engaged in preaching under the garb of learning Urdu from a Korean national, Juan Won Seo, who is the owner of ARK Info Tech.

The minister was informed that the two were part of a group of Chinese citizens who obtained business visas from the Pakistani Embassy in Beijing and entered Pakistan.

Nisar expressed his displeasure at the laxity often shown in granting visas by Pakistani missions abroad. He directed all Pakistani missions to undertake proper scrutiny of visa application forms and acquire all necessary details before exercising their powers.

Nisar directed the Ministry of Foreign Affairs be taken on board and their input be included while formulating new visa policy guidelines for issuance of visas to the foreigners on various visa categories.

At present, Chinese citizens are able to obtain visas faster than other nationals, and for longer periods when their work relates to CPEC projects.

He also called for a data bank of Chinese nationals present in the country to be maintained.

This data bank, to be prepared by National Database Registration Authority (Nadra), should be shared with all security agencies, ordered the minister in the meeting, which was attended by the secretary interior, advocate general, director general of immigration and passports, the deputy chairman Nadra and others.

The minister also said that ensuring the security of foreign nationals is a shared responsibility and that the Pakistani government was doing its bit to secure foreigners.

However, he was quick to point out that the visitors held some responsibility as well, and should inform local authorities about their movements and activities.

The minister observed that it is "highly unfortunate that a misuse of the terms of business visa contributed to the unfortunate abduction and subsequent murder of two innocent Chinese".

So basically the 2 dead chinese man and girl were responsible for their own death as per Pakistani government.

 

[haviZsultan]

Abducted Chinese nationals were 'preaching' in Quetta, Nisar told..Dawn.

Two Chinese nationals abducted from Quetta last month were involved in preaching instead of business activities — their declared purpose for visiting Pakistan — Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar was informed in a high level meeting today.

Lee Zing Yang, 24, and Meng Li Si, 26, were abducted from Jinnah Town Quetta on May 24 and later murdered by the militant Islamic State.

It was not immediately clear what the interior ministry suspected them of 'preaching'.

The interior ministry confirmed the two Chinese had been killed but it was not clear if their bodies have been found.

After the briefing, the Interior Minister ordered an initial review, followed by regulation and the streamlining of the visa process to avoid the misuse of business visas by foreign nationals.

The interior minister was told that the abductees had gone to Quetta and were engaged in preaching under the garb of learning Urdu from a Korean national, Juan Won Seo, who is the owner of ARK Info Tech.

The minister was informed that the two were part of a group of Chinese citizens who obtained business visas from the Pakistani Embassy in Beijing and entered Pakistan.

Nisar expressed his displeasure at the laxity often shown in granting visas by Pakistani missions abroad. He directed all Pakistani missions to undertake proper scrutiny of visa application forms and acquire all necessary details before exercising their powers.

Nisar directed the Ministry of Foreign Affairs be taken on board and their input be included while formulating new visa policy guidelines for issuance of visas to the foreigners on various visa categories.

At present, Chinese citizens are able to obtain visas faster than other nationals, and for longer periods when their work relates to CPEC projects.

He also called for a data bank of Chinese nationals present in the country to be maintained.

This data bank, to be prepared by National Database Registration Authority (Nadra), should be shared with all security agencies, ordered the minister in the meeting, which was attended by the secretary interior, advocate general, director general of immigration and passports, the deputy chairman Nadra and others.

The minister also said that ensuring the security of foreign nationals is a shared responsibility and that the Pakistani government was doing its bit to secure foreigners.

However, he was quick to point out that the visitors held some responsibility as well, and should inform local authorities about their movements and activities.

The minister observed that it is "highly unfortunate that a misuse of the terms of business visa contributed to the unfortunate abduction and subsequent murder of two innocent Chinese".

So basically the 2 dead chinese man and girl were responsible for their own death as per Pakistani government.

I have responded to this in post number 7 on this thread:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/abdu...s-were-preaching-in-quetta-nisar-told.501335/

Pakistanis please participate in the discussion. Why isn't anyone condemning Nisar's comments. India had the only interest in targeting Chinese and even an Indian member is saying that the government has shot itself in the foot by blaming the Chinese for their own deaths rather than lack of security.