Interview with a former SSG Colonel.

[thesolar65]

And your point is..............?

Well, fifth question where he is asked about liberation of Kashmir and the third line of his answer where he says "InshaAllah................"

 

[araz]

your post is asinine. You make so many assumptions and then put on an air if above board - except the underlying stupidity is quite visible.
SubhanAllah! Here is the pot calling the kettle black. I held back the last time but you obviously dont have the wherewithall to leave while you still can.
India is certainly holier than thou. Your guilty conscience and insecurity as a Pakistani is what make you think it is a facade. You guys have tried playing the islam card - the Indian muslims showed you the finger. You tried the jihadi terrorist card - except the jihadis started blowing up your own military and schools. You have NOTHING more to try, so now your desperate leaders talk about so called 'tactitcal nukes' - ofcourse they bank on their constituents to continue to be dumb enough to forget that when both sides are nuclearized you cannot have an advantage with that.
You usurped land that does not belong to you. Just so that the Nehru family can run their political house. Your leader jigaloed himself with Lady Mount batten to gain favours. You own your so called holier than thou facade to a jigalo. You then were not happy with the fact that the Pakistani entity was separate and your puny national collective ego. Therefore you made attempts at usurping further land, including Siachin, incite Violence in Baluchistan and in karachi. You further utilized your proxies to wage indirect war against the Pakistani Government in Swat and the NWFP. When that did not work and you had your arse handed back to you after it had been raped a couple of hundred times then you are at our doorsteps singingsongs of peace
As a responsible citizen you should ask your leaders to build a responsible country and nation.
LIKE you have built yours to be a meddlesome one that gets Screwed By China for meddling in Tibet, interferes with Srilanka and Myanmar and even tries to one up the Australians by interrogating and stopping hteir ships in Strait of Malacca. And you call yourself responsible



actually you are losing the plot big time. Reminder: Your colonel has confessed in the interview that he and the Pakistani army are the ones behind the unrest in Kashmir. Indians have been accusing you of that crime but generations of Pakistanis have been denying that - now B U S T E D

Read my post again. When did I ever defend that we did not do whatever He claimed we did. Above in highlighted is the response to your post . Now be a good little boy and run home to your mamma crying because your behind has been whipped and at that BADLY!!!!!! GET LOST AND STAY LOST.
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Breaking of soviet union was inevitable but they achieved almost every military targets in Afghansitan.Yes,they suffered few thousand casualties but look what did their intervention did in Afghanistan ,Killlings of 90,000 ~ Mujhahideen and More than 1 Million Civilians in just 10 years, along with millions of Afghan Refugees,all over the world.


And What's wrong if ISI militarily supports kashmir and send Mujahids over the LOC,we did the same in East Pak,Special frontier force was active in sabotaging even before the invasion,Lt. Gen Shahbeg singh a sikh used to wear Lungi sporting a trim beard was posted along the Border training the Muktis.

I think our security forces is doing the great job fighting and almost containing the proxy war in kashmir compared with the situation in 1989.Every month 4 -8 terrorist either neutralized on LOC or taken care of in the valley itself.

First question. Are you here for a serious debate or just a jingoistic blind posting. If you answer me then we can start a debate from the post that I have referenced. Otherwise i have no time for jingoism.
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Good interview and my uncle was also SSG a Lt Col and he is a total nutjob although retired but till to this date loves to do jobs in which firing is involved. As for Kashmir ultimately it would be taken through barrel of Gun.

A solution to kashmir achieved through war is untenable both for Pakistan and India. You can achieve an end but if there is nothing left at the end of it was it worth achieving in the first place? I think the most logical solution to kashmir is to open the border to allow cross border trade and for people to meet each other, give political autonomy to the province to run their affairs in line with the wishes of their people amnd leave it at that. Anything more will result in chaos and misery for both the countries and local population.
My 2 paisas worth
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[Hanni]

Faisal Aijaz: What was the greatest achievement of ISI at that time?

Col (R) Abid: ISI achieved so many things militarily during my time but the greatest to me was and will always be ‘Soviet-Afghan War’. When It was all over, the ISI was on top of the world and even the American CIA acknowledged this several times. Let me tell you something very interesting, Soviet Red Army came to Afghanistan with their almost 300 transport & attack helicopters carrying thousands of soviet airborne soldiers and spetsnaz, ammunitions and other stuff, bomber aircrafts and jets such as Su-25, Mig-21, Su-17, Mig-23. When President Amin was assassinated by the Russian GRU Spetsnaz, that was the time when our ISI moved in. CIA funded us and provided us soviet-made weapons bought from the black market which was then transported from Pakistan to Afghanistan for Afghan Mujahideen. The entire process was under the control of General Akhtar Abdur Rehman who was the DG ISI at that time. We were even provided with United Kingdom’s Blowpipe MANPADS which came out to be a total failure when we gave it to Afghan Mujahideen because It was ineffective and then only United States decided to gave us their US made Stinger missiles which came out to be a huge success when Afghan Mujahideen gunned down several Soviet Hind assault helicopters and aircrafts. Only a handful of ISI officers went to Afghanistan for the training and assistance of Mujahideen and It was our ISI who single handedly mastered the proxy war in Afghanistan which resulted in a huge blow for the Soviet Union. It was indeed a nostalgic dive for us.

Indeed a short term success over soviets, but in the longer run, ISI proved to be shortsightened, we call them Mujahideen back then, and know they same mujahideen are terrorists. i wonder if anyone else has noticed the conflict of statement of Colonel shb in above quote an the below one. Mujahideen of past are terrorists of today. ! i hope we as a nation have learnt what needs to be learnt !!!

What are your views on General Raheel Sharif and his military doctrine and fight against terrorism?

Well I know for sure that General Raheel Sharif is doing a tremendous job and my support to him will always be there. He’s a brave general and one of the finest that we got today and we certainly have to give him the credit for wiping out the menace of terrorism from our country.

 

[Jamwal's]

Read my post again. When did I ever defend that we did not do whatever He claimed we did. Above in highlighted is the response to your post . Now be a good little boy and run home to your mamma crying because your behind has been whipped and at that BADLY!!!!!! GET LOST AND STAY LOST.
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First question. Are you here for a serious debate or just a jingoistic blind posting. If you answer me then we can start a debate from the post that I have referenced. Otherwise i have no time for jingoism.
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A solution to kashmir achieved through war is untenable both for Pakistan and India. You can achieve an end but if there is nothing left at the end of it was it worth achieving in the first place? I think the most logical solution to kashmir is to open the border to allow cross border trade and for people to meet each other, give political autonomy to the province to run their affairs in line with the wishes of their people amnd leave it at that. Anything more will result in chaos and misery for both the countries and local population.
My 2 paisas worth
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What's jingoistic about that post ?

 

[wiseone2]

Hmmmm i was born in Punjab and from that date i m living here .. The only date when u ever c some type off Khalistan support is on Op Blue star anniversary . So , Perhaps i m free to again say India Punjab is most peaceful state of South Asia .



I'm not like those peace lover Indian . I will support terrorism in Pakistan bcz they killed my brothers and sisters in 26/11 and if we take the revenge with same sword i will welcome the bloodshed .

two wrong do not make it right. but it will be fun to whack the Taliban proxies in Afghanistan

 

[Humble Analyst]

anybody with a brain and some shame will understand how baseless and hopeless Pakistani military establishment's capabilities are; this interview simply confirms that. They have lost every war; they have lost every other tactics such as the terrorism that this colonel has now confessed about. They have already driven the population to the point where most people are simply happy to pay the military's blackmail of ceding all power to the military ....Now the militarymen do not even bother to deny their role in terrorist jihad...something which India and r.o.w have convicted Pakistan about for a while now....one has to feel sorry for these people. Meanwhile, to all the cyber warriors trying to attest some sort of noble cause to their military, this colonel's admission means just one thing..... B U S T E D!

Look who is talking, forgetting Mukti Bahni in 1970/71. Supporting terrorism in Karachi, Baluchistan and through TTP. Indians should be ashamed of their intelligence agency for supporting the terrorist which attacked a school and killed over 140 kids.

 

[wiseone2]

Look who is talking, forgetting Mukti Bahni in 1970/71. Supporting terrorism in Karachi, Baluchistan and through TTP. Indians should be ashamed of their intelligence agency for supporting the terrorist which attacked a school and killed over 140 kids.

The Awami League is the legitimate ruler of Pakistan in 1971. The Pakistani army were a bunch of gangsters in their way.

 

[Raptor666]

Indeed a short term success over soviets, but in the longer run, ISI proved to be shortsightened, we call them Mujahideen back then, and know they same mujahideen are terrorists. i wonder if anyone else has noticed the conflict of statement of Colonel shb in above quote an the below one. Mujahideen of past are terrorists of today. ! i hope we as a nation have learnt what needs to be learnt !!!

LOL. Do some more research and try to come back with an unassailable answer. Watch less TV and Search less on the Internet.

 

[SSGcommandoPAK]

Ah! The cat is out of the bag. And then you guys scream that what's happening in Kashmir is an indigenous movement and Pakistanis have nothing to do with it!!!

Now its confirmed the games you guys play to keep Kashmir on the boil. It's blatant interference in the internal affairs of India.

This interview was about the 1965 war , he was talking about that time ....

 

[araz]

What's jingoistic about that post ?

Read the post first and answer me rather than wasting my time. If you answer in the affirmative then we can have a serious debate. Otherwise I have better things to do.
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Indeed a short term success over soviets, but in the longer run, ISI proved to be shortsightened, we call them Mujahideen back then, and know they same mujahideen are terrorists. i wonder if anyone else has noticed the conflict of statement of Colonel shb in above quote an the below one. Mujahideen of past are terrorists of today. ! i hope we as a nation have learnt what needs to be learnt !!!

It would not have been if as Zia said, the coalition had persevered and helped in establishing a stable Government in Afghanistan. The problems of the present day war as well as the previous wars have been that the US decided that its self interest no longer dictated following the advice of its allies and walked out leaving a mess in its wake. THE US had the fun , we were left holding the baby!! Is it a surprise that the outcome was what it was?. The Pakistani endeavour needed financing and support(most importantly) in the international arena. We were sanctioned indstead and so the shortsighted approach was not on the part of the ISI but on the part of the US which it has accepted proven by multiple statements from its leaders including Ms Clinton.

The Awami League is the legitimate ruler of Pakistan in 1971. The Pakistani army were a bunch of gangsters in their way.

The awami league as you called it was held hostage by the Mukti bahini and this is amply proven by the messages which Sh. Mujeebur Rehman sent to the pakistani establishment. Yes the PA and most impportantly the Government of the time did not handle the situation appropriately(in fact they handled it disgracefully) but the real gangsters were the Mukti Bahini and its backers the Indian Army. Have you not read what Sam Manekshaw wrote or do you think that the people at the other end are idiots? Read the history before you comment on it. Incidentally I am in contact with an elderly gentleman who resides in London. He is a historian and a Social anthrapologist and researcher and eye witness to the history of formation of Bangladesh. I have also spoken to the very man who interviewed Mujeeb Ur Rehman for the BBC and they will tell you a tale which was quite different from the general account.The rest is a lot of hype and drama drummed up by Indian Propaganda machine.
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[Manidabest]

Brave Asset of Pakistan

 

[Humble Analyst]

The Awami League is the legitimate ruler of Pakistan in 1971. The Pakistani army were a bunch of gangsters in their way.

So is that your answer what about TTP killing children and Indian agencies supporting them?

 

[Zarrar Alvi]

so what almost all the soldiers in kashmir regiment are from azad kashmir and they got their relatives in indian occupied kashmir if they are happy with india they should have joined indian army instead of Pakistan army and special forces .... its natural they are helping their brothers against terrorist indian army

 

[wiseone2]

So is that your answer what about TTP killing children and Indian agencies supporting them?

TTP operates on your western border. Iran and Afghanistan are on your Western border. Americans are in Afghanistan. You should ask all of them. Blaming India will do you no good

The awami league as you called it was held hostage by the Mukti bahini and this is amply proven by the messages which Sh. Mujeebur Rehman sent to the pakistani establishment. Yes the PA and most impportantly the Government of the time did not handle the situation appropriately(in fact they handled it disgracefully) but the real gangsters were the Mukti Bahini and its backers the Indian Army. Have you not read what Sam Manekshaw wrote or do you think that the people at the other end are idiots? Read the history before you comment on it. Incidentally I am in contact with an elderly gentleman who resides in London. He is a historian and a Social anthrapologist and researcher and eye witness to the history of formation of Bangladesh. I have also spoken to the very man who interviewed Mujeeb Ur Rehman for the BBC and they will tell you a tale which was quite different from the general account.The rest is a lot of hype and drama drummed up by Indian Propaganda machine.
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Complaining about the Mukti Bahini does no good.

The Mukti Bahini did not exist before the Pakistani army crackdown in March 1971. A lot of the Mukti Bahini leaders were Bengali officers & soldiers from the Pakistani Army, paramilitary and police forces.

The Pakistani army had choices before the March 1971 crackdown. Once you shed the blood of ten thousands of Bengalis the Pakistani army lost control of the situation.

The Awami League had a simple agenda. They swept the elections on the basis of the six point movement.
Six point movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I do not think the Pakistani army will agree to this even today

 

[Zaneesh852]

I know .. thousands of Pakistanis in those rallies in Sri nagar, they all manage to take part in those rallies in thousands and then come back and go back again with their flags. goes to show how how inadequate a million plus Indian military is. you should send more troops there this way the army can outnumber the entire Kashmiri population then you can win the war of flags.

But still someone holding the rank of colonel in army should have enough sense to chose the right words at a right time.