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Inside the OBL Raid

Of all the details, perhaps this one stands out:
The Abbottabad raid was not DEVGRU’s maiden venture into Pakistan, either. The team had surreptitiously entered the country on ten to twelve previous occasions, according to a special-operations officer who is deeply familiar with the bin Laden raid. Most of those missions were forays into North and South Waziristan, where many military and intelligence analysts had thought that bin Laden and other Al Qaeda leaders were hiding. (Only one such operation—the September, 2008, raid of Angoor Ada, a village in South Waziristan—has been widely reported.)

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Off topic---remember I told you people many a times the americans if they wanted will strike without your knowing----well today's news-----the seal team 6 had 6 + operational incursions into pakistan-----and all went undetected----.

If the chopper had not crashed this time----we would not have known what had happened.
I believe most of those 'incursions' were along the Afghan-Pakistan border, along the lines of the 'Angor Adda raid'.

At this point there is nothing to suggest that the US has conducted ops any deeper than the border areas of FATA (aside from the OBL raid). Just the amount of preparation, attention from the top US leadership and risk (being shot down, being mistaken for an Indian raid and starting a war) involved in this raid involved means that deep raids such as these have not occurred before.
 
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there is a CIA man right besides the boarding counter at islamabad airport for heavens sake, the staff there know it, a tall big, bald man wearing a suit and tie!!
 
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What a crap load of Pakistan Defense forces are.

may i ask why??,,,,we knew that there were helis in the area, the first post clearly states the helis came very near peshawar, and there is an airbase in peshawar!!!,,,,we knew they were there, we knew there were jets on the border, we probably did not know the V-22 and USS carl winson was there.

So , it was the govt. decision IMO to order the attack, can anybody clarify, if the enemy intrudes into airspace, for 15 minutes, do you get confirmaton from govt. (takes some time), or use intuition??
 
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OBL raid is the darkest chapter in our country's history....we finally found out our potential.....haram kai dollars have taken over our minds and have biologically effected our leaders...
it is rightly said that haram ka paisa destroys your capacity to reason between right and wrong and along with that it also puts a curse on your face with blackened eye sockets and a stale face with a dead conscience to look in the eyes of your peers....people call you graceful but you sir are evil with curse of God on your face and smell of your own fellow county men coming from your cloths which only become intense with the passage of time....shame on our leaders you vote for...this is their potential...forget roti kapra and makan....there is no electricity,no petrol.......
you brought america's war to your own country....you made american enemies your own enemies cause you were interested in dollars and kickbacks and commissions...shame on you...you own children will distance themselves from you in the coming days....they will change their surnames and tell people they have nothing to do with monsters who killed their own fellow muslims brothers and brought blood and destruction to their own country only cause one man named musharaf wanted to prolong his illegal rule

..history will judge you on on youtube and PDF.....and your generations to come will find out what gentlemen you were:wave:
 
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I doubt if there is any co-operation of ISI/PA in this raid. The news of arrest of the doctor and other men who helped the CIA in surveillance of the building complex reinforce this point. Also the tussle between Pakistan and US about the questioning of the OBL relatives also points towards this fact.
 
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I've never understood this. the raids or so called freedom fighters attacking from Pakistan on to Kashmir = a-okay because you believe it is disputed .

But raid to kill the no1 terrorist , unchallenged claim = OMG ?

Did not the Pakistani establishment at first holler and hoot that it was a joint ops in the initial days? it was official statement and claim made...why don't you guys find that baffling and hold people who made such claims from the ISI and military accountable? did anyone lose their jobs overt this ?
 
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I've never understood this. the raids or so called freedom fighters attacking from Pakistan on to Kashmir = a-okay because you believe it is disputed .
Absolutely - disputed means sovereignty is contested, and the disputed nature of the territory is internationally accepted and recognized.

But raid to kill the no1 terrorist , unchallenged claim = OMG ?
Yes - complete violation of Pakistani sovereignty for the sake of US political mileage domestically.
Did not the Pakistani establishment at first holler and hoot that it was a joint ops in the initial days? it was official statement and claim made...why don't you guys find that baffling and hold people who made such claims from the ISI and military accountable? did anyone lose their jobs overt this ?
I do not recall a single 'official statement' claiming prior knowledge of the operation or assistance in the operation.

Most such claims were from 'anonymous sources' in the media.
 
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Pakistan-US Relations Continue to Worsen

Posted By Brian Beyer On August 1, 2011 @ 5:23 pm In News | 5 Comments

As a sign of deteriorating relations between the US and Pakistan, President Asif Ali Zardari voiced hopes that the United States and Pakistan could establish “clear terms of engagement.” Clearly acknowledging the Abottabad raid that netted Osama bin Laden, Zardari expressed frustration at the remarkable gray area that plagues Pakistani-American relations: [1]

In the absence of well-defined and documented terms of engagements, wrong plugs may be pulled at the wrong times by any side that could undermine the bilateral relations…

Terms of engagement should be clearly defined and specified so that any dispute could be settled amicably through the available institutions.

Zardari also mentioned that he would like to see more communication concerning drone strikes, although this is not likely to happen unless there are serious repercussions put on the table by Pakistan.

The United States has essentially laughed in the face of Pakistan whenever the issue has been discussed. In the immediate aftermath of Osama bin Laden’s death, both the Pakistani government and Pakistani people were outraged at America’s lack of respect for Pakistani sovereignty. In a poll from the Pew Research Center, [2] an astonishing 63% of Pakistanis disapproved of the raid, despite 55% of Pakistanis disapproving of al-Qaeda. Couple those polling numbers with 62% of Pakistanis disapproving of American counterterrorism efforts, the conclusion that can be drawn is pretty sensible: bin Laden represented resistance to the great, American superpower, despite his own atrocious misgivings.

Unfortunately, the idea that Pakistan must be scrutinized and brutalized in order to mitigate or eliminate the “never ending” terrorist threat is so firmly engrained in the intelligence establishment’s mode of thought that any reduction in anti-American hostilities seems farfetched unless conventional wisdom is challenged. We will continue to bomb, shoot, photograph, and set up fake vaccine clinics until the nearly-failed state is firmly and completely under the thumb of the United States. Unless, of course, Pakistan decides to take a firm stand.

While $800 million of the Pakistani gravy train has been halted, [3] two thirds of it remain unaffected. Both countries remain in a delicate balance: Pakistan is strategically vital to winning the war in Afghanistan while Pakistan cooperation ensures that the bills are paid and the guns are bought. President Obama and the rest of the gang in Washington need Pakistan just as much as Pakistan needs America, if not more so. Expulsion of American forces, contractors, and other mercenaries would be a repudiation of America’s militarized foreign policy that has ruled the establishment for much of the 20th and 21st century. The embarrassment would be worse than Benjamin Netanyahu’s public rebuke of Obama’s farcical peace deal. Pakistan would also suffer a debilitating blow, but for a country that is already considered a failed state by many, this would be a fraction of the devastation.

Once Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal becomes an imminent concern, things could get downright ugly.

Article printed from Antiwar.com Blog: Antiwar.com Blog
 
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Absolutely - disputed means sovereignty is contested, and the disputed nature of the territory is internationally accepted and recognized.


Yes - complete violation of Pakistani sovereignty for the sake of US political mileage domestically.

I do not recall a single 'official statement' claiming prior knowledge of the operation or assistance in the operation.

Most such claims were from 'anonymous sources' in the media.

if you do a simple search you would come across it even on these forums, the official statements pouring out from Pak in the initial days that it was joint exercise. read the threads from that day here...

how is disputed territory equate to a-okay to send terrorist over - fight a war if you want but to send terrorists who don't follow the principles of war is okay? do they follow the Geneva convention, do they wear unforms?
 
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Well Its off topic again but I would like to add here that 2 or possibly 3 CBVGs were present near Pakistani coast during the whole operation along with several electronic attack planes airborne in Afghanistan....... to deal with the situation if Pakistan turned hostile on the Infiltrating SEALS....... they were ready for the worst........ and This has been confirmed by some of my American friends.

Location of CVN-65 Enterprise from 23Mar-06Jun2011 - Arabian Sea. Location of CVN-70 Carl Vinson from 31Jan-05May2011 - North Arabian Sea. Both were within range of the area of operations. Both have left these locations long since. The Enterprise is presently at its home port at Norfolk. The Carl Vinson is back in San Diego. As of now, the CVN-76 Ronald Reagan is situated in the Northern Arabian Sea. While the CVN-77 George H.W. Bush is in the Arabian Sea.
 
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Location of CVN-65 Enterprise from 23Mar-06Jun2011 - Arabian Sea. Location of CVN-70 Carl Vinson from 31Jan-05May2011 - North Arabian Sea. Both were within range of the area of operations. Both have left these locations long since. The Enterprise is presently at its home port at Norfolk. The Carl Vinson is back in San Diego. As of now, the CVN-76 Ronald Reagan is situated in the Northern Arabian Sea. While the CVN-77 George H.W. Bush is in the Arabian Sea.

The USS Carl Vinson was the hub for controlling all of Pakistani airspace that night.
 
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Pakistan-US Relations Continue to Worsen

Posted By Brian Beyer On August 1, 2011 @ 5:23 pm In News | 5 Comments

As a sign of deteriorating relations between the US and Pakistan, President Asif Ali Zardari voiced hopes that the United States and Pakistan could establish “clear terms of engagement.” Clearly acknowledging the Abottabad raid that netted Osama bin Laden, Zardari expressed frustration at the remarkable gray area that plagues Pakistani-American relations: [1]

In the absence of well-defined and documented terms of engagements, wrong plugs may be pulled at the wrong times by any side that could undermine the bilateral relations…

Terms of engagement should be clearly defined and specified so that any dispute could be settled amicably through the available institutions.

Zardari also mentioned that he would like to see more communication concerning drone strikes, although this is not likely to happen unless there are serious repercussions put on the table by Pakistan.

The United States has essentially laughed in the face of Pakistan whenever the issue has been discussed. In the immediate aftermath of Osama bin Laden’s death, both the Pakistani government and Pakistani people were outraged at America’s lack of respect for Pakistani sovereignty. In a poll from the Pew Research Center, [2] an astonishing 63% of Pakistanis disapproved of the raid, despite 55% of Pakistanis disapproving of al-Qaeda. Couple those polling numbers with 62% of Pakistanis disapproving of American counterterrorism efforts, the conclusion that can be drawn is pretty sensible: bin Laden represented resistance to the great, American superpower, despite his own atrocious misgivings.

Unfortunately, the idea that Pakistan must be scrutinized and brutalized in order to mitigate or eliminate the “never ending” terrorist threat is so firmly engrained in the intelligence establishment’s mode of thought that any reduction in anti-American hostilities seems farfetched unless conventional wisdom is challenged. We will continue to bomb, shoot, photograph, and set up fake vaccine clinics until the nearly-failed state is firmly and completely under the thumb of the United States. Unless, of course, Pakistan decides to take a firm stand.

While $800 million of the Pakistani gravy train has been halted, [3] two thirds of it remain unaffected. Both countries remain in a delicate balance: Pakistan is strategically vital to winning the war in Afghanistan while Pakistan cooperation ensures that the bills are paid and the guns are bought. President Obama and the rest of the gang in Washington need Pakistan just as much as Pakistan needs America, if not more so. Expulsion of American forces, contractors, and other mercenaries would be a repudiation of America’s militarized foreign policy that has ruled the establishment for much of the 20th and 21st century. The embarrassment would be worse than Benjamin Netanyahu’s public rebuke of Obama’s farcical peace deal. Pakistan would also suffer a debilitating blow, but for a country that is already considered a failed state by many, this would be a fraction of the devastation.

Once Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal becomes an imminent concern, things could get downright ugly.

Article printed from Antiwar.com Blog: Antiwar.com Blog

sir i dont know about Pak-Us relations and hardly think this will happen since the lobby that brought down Mr ZIA's plane and air chief Ali Mir's plane and the same lobby that facilitated abbotabad raid is more interested in foreign trips..kick backs and commissions and a safe future for their children in american universities..making future generations handicapped and slaves and prone to blacmaling causeof spare parts for f-16's....and mangoe diplomacy ahead

but Curse of God is on them...with blackened eye sockets.stale faces...no smile...no eye contact cause of shame and guilty conscience amongst the peers...blood of Pakistani children on hands....40,000 innocent Pakistani people dead bomb blasts every day....this is the price they pay for getting in bed with americans and selling for dollars the self respect and integity of their country,,,

ramadan mubarik
 
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