Information Technology Jobs Moving From India to Pakistan?

[Cherokee]

It is bound to happen but it will take a couple of decades. It's the normal cycle of globalization. It was not "your" job to begin with. Most cost efficient service provider will always get the preference but Indian media is getting ahead of itself. Pakistan is not there yet. India loses astronomically more jobs to Philippines. That's where bpo/kpo are shifting. Same is slowly happening to garden variety IT services. At the same time R&D facilities are opening in India but they will employ a bright few at premium. What will a "Software tester" do in that case. Also AI's are catching up faster with their level of performance.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Well done.
Chine is spending 1.5 billion on a technology park in Islamabad geared towards research. So a lot is happening.
We need a revolution to get rid of the effing politicians. Need young blood.

Agreed and we need people like you to raise awareness, to tell them the difference between right and wrong, to show them that if we (the people) don't change then nothing will happen and we will keep getting same old corrupt people at the realm that will keep holding Pakistan back from its true potential.

 

[313ghazi]

As the IT market in India gets more mature, IT professionals will get more expensive and people looking for "cheap" IT through outsourcing might consider moving to other markets; Pakistan being one of them. Don't expect a deluge though. The trend in Pakistan is not towards taking others IT jobs but creating our own IT jobs. Where possible we should provide services and products, not just skilled labour to help others develop services and end products.

 

[Chhatrapati]

As the IT market in India gets more mature, IT professionals will get more expensive and people looking for "cheap" IT through outsourcing might consider moving to other markets; Pakistan being one of them. Don't expect a deluge though. The trend in Pakistan is not towards taking others IT jobs but creating our own IT jobs. Where possible we should provide services and products, not just skilled labour to help others develop services and end products.

It's not because Indian IT is getting more expensive, there are engineers available at lower rates. The real issue is with the industry itself. Automation is taking up more jobs. With Chatbots, cloud computing, increased use of mobile technologies.

Indian companies are forced to take in automation and cut jobs. Such jobs are gone forever and replaced by more sophisticated and high level systems. So, high class institutions with great R&D funding and backup is better than trying to imitate one model.

That's where bpo/kpo are shifting.

A group of my friends, together with 80 of the staff lost their job and now they all started another company in SEO and social media managing, content writing etc... with an annual turnover of 25 lakhs (in 2 years). Interestingly, the BPO that closed shifted their operations to manila and words are they employed only 15, with chatbots taking most of the queries.

 

[DJ_Viper]

http://www.riazhaq.com/2017/11/information-technology-jobs-moving-from.html

Outlook India recently ran a story headlined "Noida to Islamabad". It suggests at least anecdotal evidence of information technology jobs beginning to move from India to Pakistan. The number of jobs is only 125 but could it be the tip of a larger iceberg? Are western companies finding Pakistan becoming more competitive with India in terms of cost and skills on offer? Let's try and answer these questions.

I think I wrote about this somewhere a while ago. With India becoming more expensive and Pakistan, Philippines and Sri Lanka becoming more affordable yet educated, these are the next destination for workforce outsources / BPO. Another thing is that, no matter how much you develop India, at the end of the day, it is a massive country with 1.2 billion population. But if you compare it with Pakistan, the Philippines, and soon, Sri Lanka, these are smaller countries so they'd require much less $$ to grow. Similarly, the infrastructure in these country would become more modernized as these are smaller sized countries and require much less to provide an overall better cost of living.

The problem with pakistan lies with it's ability to produce huge number of qualified graduates

That's actually a misconception. How many graduates do you need for outsourcing? Pakistan produces a few hundred thousand graduates a year. Remember, India is 5 times more in population than Pakistan is so you'd have more grads available but you can't give all of them jobs because the number is huge. So the Indian government needs to create an internal economy for their grads as the West and outsourcing, both are becoming selective.

I have a close friend who is a partner in a Venture company here in Texas. They just invested in an incubator organization in Pakistan and paid them around $25-30 million to work with a bunch of startup ideas.

 

[livingdead]

Agreed and we need people like you to raise awareness, to tell them the difference between right and wrong, to show them that if we (the people) don't change then nothing will happen and we will keep getting same old corrupt people at the realm that will keep holding Pakistan back from its true potential.

it will be long time before pakistani companies challenge Indian companies... to get big projects you need management depth, and that takes years to get.... unless big companies like IBM are hiring aggressively in pak to create massive center, I dont see that happening in a decade.

And so what. Enjoy India and it's head shaking software engineers call Billy and Tommy who are actually called cowshik and gupta

To see from other perspective, the head shaking engineers would not have got a job in first place, India has created an ecosystem what allows even dumb individual to get onto the job ladder... after 5 years that guy will be average-ish.
Its possible that pakistan has better talent pool in smaller numbers(thats how it is even within India, regionally speaking), but smart Mr Mockmed will remain a few, and average Mr Fcukmed is nowhere in the job market... thats sad from country's human resource point of view.

 

[Imad.Khan]

it will be long time before pakistani companies challenge Indian companies... to get big projects you need management depth, and that takes years to get.... unless big companies like IBM are hiring aggressively in pak to create massive center, I dont see that happening in a decade.

I agree that it might be a long time for Pakistan to be in a position to actually make a dent in the pocket of Indian companies, but as the great Chinese Philosopher Lao Tzu once said "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.”

 

[livingdead]

I agree that it might be a long time for Pakistan to be in a position to actually make a dent in the pocket of Indian companies, but as the great Chinese Philosopher once said "“The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.”

probably but its too premature to say that.... pakistan offers no real advantage here, for all practical purpose we got more or less same standard of education...
the people who can compete with Indians are eastern europeans in IT (philipinos in ITES)... they got good reputation, expensive but not too much, closer to west (little cultural barrier)

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Firstly 125 jobs moving out of country doesn't mean a thing, 100s go out daily and 100s come in too. For me what matters is local demand, in fact I will be happy if Indian IT companies ditch low-end work and focus on climbing the value ladder. Even if these low-end works moves out of India due to rising cost, there are other countries better placed than Pakistan to grab on to them. Pakistan first needs to improve it's image if they want their IT sector to shine like that of India's.
BTW
IBM Now Has More Employees in India Than in the U.S.

But indians also said that there were better, more advanced countries who cannot become nuclear weapons state so it is impossible for Pakistan to do so. Also the West and Russia would stop it. We all know what happened to that indianism. Just as then so is now

 

[livingdead]

It is bound to happen but it will take a couple of decades. It's the normal cycle of globalization. It was not "your" job to begin with. Most cost efficient service provider will always get the preference but Indian media is getting ahead of itself. Pakistan is not there yet. India loses astronomically more jobs to Philippines. That's where bpo/kpo are shifting. Same is slowly happening to garden variety IT services. At the same time R&D facilities are opening in India but they will employ a bright few at premium. What will a "Software tester" do in that case. Also AI's are catching up faster with their level of performance.

Recently my service provider changed their call center to philiphines, and the difference in quality is huge...
you talk to a real human being(Indians talk like bots... its frustrating to talk to them)... pleasant voice. Its usually me who says ' have a nice, wonderful day' when I talk to them...
Its sad that we are losing bpo jobs, but they are better than us, so i dont really mind it.

 

[Jackdaws]

There are internal problems within India too. In Bombay, your capex and opex go through the roof because of rents and salaries but the city does attract the best talent. Trade off is heading to a town like Pune closeby or move it to another major hub like Hyderabad.

 

[Trango Towers]

it will be long time before pakistani companies challenge Indian companies... to get big projects you need management depth, and that takes years to get.... unless big companies like IBM are hiring aggressively in pak to create massive center, I dont see that happening in a decade.


To see from other perspective, the head shaking engineers would not have got a job in first place, India has created an ecosystem what allows even dumb individual to get onto the job ladder... after 5 years that guy will be average-ish.
Its possible that pakistan has better talent pool in smaller numbers(thats how it is even within India, regionally speaking), but smart Mr Mockmed will remain a few, and average Mr Fcukmed is nowhere in the job market... thats sad from country's human resource point of view.

Mr Mockmed. How about Mr urniesniffer. Get a toilet before You talk and pull up your RSS shorts. Get yourself a meal