Indus valley is tamil Civilization

[Joe Shearer]

Simple, extract the DNA from these skeletons and tells us which modern day populations it closely resembles:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ndset-of-worlds-earliest-humans-10177362.html

The Indians said they were going to confirm that, but the news of these tests and the skeletons seem to have vanished now. Wonder what happened to them?

A superficial criticism of a superficial proposal.

 

[Pakistani E]

A superficial criticism of a superficial proposal.

Genetics is one of the many aspects that can be used to prove continuity of a people. No?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Genetics is one of the many aspects that can be used to prove continuity of a people. No?

Answer in pieces. Apparently some restrictions are in place

 

[Joe Shearer]

Genetics is one of the many aspects that can be used to prove continuity of a people. No?

Yes, that is undeniable. But what will establishing the genetic proximity of those long-delayed people prove?

The puzzles surrounding this culture relate to complex issues; we already know how these cities originated, about the cultural hinterland of the civilisation. But how did this vast area come to display such uniformity in its external forms? How did the symbology of their artefacts spread with such cohesion in all visible and some metrological aspects? How did they avoid the problems of defence and keep internal and external aggression at bay? Finally, as the culture declined, where did the people go? This is the only question that can partly be answered by genetic analysis, and it does not answer even more important aspects relating to the aftermath.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Genetics is one of the many aspects that can be used to prove continuity of a people. No?

To continue:

For instance, we know that there was cultural diffusion between very late stage locations of this culture and geographically neighbouring areas and contemporary cultures.

This happened in the North. What happened in the South (in the context, this means Gujarat)? Most of all, what led to such clear evidence of diffusion into bordering areas, and why is there a paucity of evidence showing this occurrence in situ?

Genetic evidence may be useful for fanboy rumbles and displays of excessive testosterone; not many serious issues may be resolved.

 

[Pakistani E]

@Joe Shearer

Nothing to disagree with you there. But Genetics is definitely used as a marker it isn't just about testosterone fueled racism we do unfortunately see on threads such as these. The studies carried out on Angle Saxon influences on U.K was primarily based on genetics, together with all other aspects of what constitutes a cultural group or civilization.

The reason I mentioned that particular piece of news was because it was the most undeniable link and evidence that can be used as all the rest is mostly conjecture until the language and script can deciphered etc. Genetics again, would be the strongest proof of migration of the people of IVC in to neighbouring areas.

In conclusion, I agree with everything you are saying apart from the slight dismissive nature of your posts on genetics. As I mentioned, it is one of the many measurable aspects we have at this point in time.

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Joe Shearer

Nothing to disagree with you there. But Genetics is definitely used as a marker it isn't just about testosterone fueled racism we do unfortunately see on threads such as these. The studies carried out on Angle Saxon influences on U.K was primarily based on genetics, together with all other aspects of what constitutes a cultural group or civilization.

The reason I mentioned that particular piece of news was because it was the most undeniable link and evidence that can be used as all the rest is mostly conjecture until the language and script can deciphered. Genetics again, would be the strongest proof of migration of the people of IVC in to neighbouring areas.

In conclusion, I agree with everything you are saying apart from the slight dismissive nature of your posts on genetics. As I mentioned, it is one of the many measurable aspects we have at this point in time.

I hasten to correct any impression that I am dismissive of genetics. On the contrary, it has been a gust of fresh air that has swept away many cobwebs.

My sadly ineffective effort was to highlight the peripheral nature of the issues that genetics would address in this case. Also to deprecate the unsettling tendency to drag things into the sterile discussion about the Indus culture, the 'Ganga' culture and their inter-relationship.

On a tangent, not related to you:

One would have thought that at least a person from a neighbouring area would be sensitive to the multi-centric nature of Indian culture. But apparently it isn't so. Now that the triple distilled idiot Tarun Vijay has spoken, clearly north Indians are completely ignorant and completely dismissive of all other parts.

 

[Joe Shearer]

@padamchen

You might find this conversation interesting. More later.

 

[padamchen]

@Joe Shearer

I am a patient man. No need to rush.

Who were they.

What happened to them.

Did some (or most) survive whatever put a full stop to their civilization.

Where did these go.

They probably never needed a defense because no hostile force knew they were there.

When they did (need defence) they were clearly unprepared and I'll equipped.

I believe they were driven into the sanctuary of India's dense forests.

The Gangetic plains were still forested. And not open farmland like today.

I don't know whether they were absorbed (genetically and eventually culturally) into the jungle tribes.

Whether they became foragers and gatherers if not hunters.

Or whether they got pushed from the east towards the south.

 

[Kabira]

@Joe Shearer

I am a patient man. No need to rush.

Who were they.

What happened to them.

Did some (or most) survive whatever put a full stop to their civilization.

Where did these go.

They probably never needed a defense because no hostile force knew they were there.

When they did (need defence) they were clearly unprepared and I'll equipped.

I believe they were driven into the sanctuary of India's dense forests.

The Gangetic plains were still forested. And not open farmland like today.

I don't know whether they were absorbed (genetically and eventually culturally) into the jungle tribes.

Whether they became foragers and gatherers if not hunters.

Or whether they got pushed from the east towards the south.

Ancient DNA can answer most of your questions without any doubts.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Ancient DNA can answer most of your questions without any doubts.

..... Some of your questions.....

 

[Thorough Pro]

Thank you. That was hilarious and awesome.

True. In her time, the dancing girl of Mohenjodaro was famous for her masala dosas.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Simple, extract the DNA from these skeletons and tells us which modern day populations it closely resembles:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ndset-of-worlds-earliest-humans-10177362.html

The Indians said they were going to confirm that, but the news of these tests and the skeletons seem to have vanished now. Wonder what happened to them?

Nothing. What becomes of photobombing? Other than giving the opportunity for the subject to get their face in the frame.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Finally, as the culture declined, where did the people go?

I don't know whether they were absorbed (genetically and eventually culturally) into the jungle tribes.

Whether they became foragers and gatherers if not hunters.

Or whether they got pushed from the east towards the south.

Why do Indians like to cling onto the false idea that people of IVC randomly and mysteriously migrated into Gangadesh?

What happens when a 'civilization collapses'? The people don't randomly migrate. Why would people of IVC abandon their strategic location of recipes needed for humans to thrive (rich soil, plains, rivers, etc...) to cross a massive desert into Gangadesh.

There have been many other civilizations that 'collapsed' or went into a 'dark age'. Many examples include civilizations in Greece, Egypt, Euphrates, and etc... During this time, all 'major' traces of civilization vanish for hundreds or even a thousand years. The people don't vanish, remnants go back to primitive village life and sprout back into Kingdoms/Empires.

This is what happened to IVC, people simply went back to 'primitive-life' and grew back to Kingdoms. Many of these Kingdoms like Gandhara began to take form even before IVC finally 'collapsed'. What we saw shortly after were emergence of Kingdoms like Sindhu, Sauvira, Sagala, Gandhara, Taxila, Kapisthala, Bahika, Madra. Did they randomly poof into existence? nope, they were the continuation of the IVC remnants.

Indians must stop cherry-picking and inventing poorly-backed theories that seems to suite their ego and beliefs.

The only genetic evidence for migration out of the Indus was towards Europe not the East.

They probably never needed a defense because no hostile force knew they were there.

When they did (need defence) they were clearly unprepared and I'll equipped.

There was no evidence for a conflict.

 

[My-Analogous]

Lolz....you ever ate a dosa?

No actually she she die few thousands years ago before he born.