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Indonesian President inspects JF-17 fighter aircraft

f16 would be right choice because you guys can get that a price of thunder, if opt for used one as you did before. I dont see thunder going to indonesia
This is one possible option that i thought will be pushed through.. Refurbished F-16 C/D upgrade to block 52+

JF 17 can be used to replace hawks, KFX/IFX to adding more squadrons. I dont think Indonesia Air Forces is just content with 10 to 15 fighter squadrons by 2030 at least.

This one possible scenario. If JF-17 proved to be superior than FA-50 both in capability and operational cost, i can see them replacing Hawk, instead of FA-50 in the future.

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i dont expect indonesia to get free hand either
looking at history and smaller sale

you cant compere UAE who funded whole block 60 program and turkey which is actually a partner country in falcon to pakistan and indonesia!

UAE spending on block 60 program will be higher than what we will spend on whole thunder program

AFAIK, it was budgetary constraints that led to small purchase. Indonesia is no Pakistan or rival to USA or in China Camp which will make US cautious of selling them with restrictions.
 
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AFAIK, it was budgetary constraints that led to small purchase. Indonesia in no Pakistan or rival to USA or in China Camp which will make US cautious of selling them with restrictions.
well i will be surprised that Indonesia will forget the 1990s sanctions so quickly
 
well i will be surprised that Indonesia will forget the 1990s sanctions so quickly

That's why we diversify our fleet with Sukhoi fighter jet and develop IFX for air supremacy. F-16 will be mostly used for patrol. We can add JF-17/FA-50 to replace BAE hawk for low intensity combat.
 
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Can compare a bit here....

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Passed right over me when it was coming for a landing. It had 2 external fuels tanks equipped. Anybody knows where it took up from.
The probed looked cool from right below by the way.
And lastly it must have a very low stall speed because it was so slow as if hanging in the sky. It was over Naval Anchorage at the time.
 
Indonesia has a very good growing defence industry, pak should work with them.

This i agree. We already make a collaboration work on defense industry with Korea and Turkey, Pakistan is high on the list for future defense collaboration..
 
@pr1v4t33r can you plz translate this?

What I can under stand from google translation that JF-17s escorted hi Jet while departing Pakistan?


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Presiden Joko Widodo menyempatkan diri naik ke kokpit pesawat tempur JF-17 Thunder hasil kerja sama industri kedirgantaraan Pakistan dengan Tiongkok di Pangkalan Udara Nur Khan, Islamabad, Pakistan, Sabtu, sebelum melanjutkan perjalanan ke Bangladesh. (Biro Pers Setpres.)

Jakarta (ANTARA News) - Presiden Joko Widodo sempat naik ke kokpit Pesawat Tempur JF-17 di Pangkalan Udara Nur Khan, Islamabad, Pakistan, Sabtu, sebelum melanjutkan penerbangan ke Bangladesh.

Deputi Bidang Protokol, Pers dan Media Sekretariat Presiden Bey Machmudin dalam keterangan persnya yang diterima di Jakarta, Sabtu, menyebutkan Presiden Joko Widodo sempat menyaksikan atraksi pesawat tempur JF-17 saat mengikuti upacara kenegaraan di Prime Minister's House di Islamabad, Pakistan, Sabtu.

Ketika Presiden dan Ibu Negara Iriana Joko WIdodo tiba di Pangkalan Udara Nur Khan, Islamabad, Pakistan, untuk melanjutkan penerbangan ke Bangladesh, ternyata pesawat tempur JF-17 tersebut sudah berada tidak jauh dari Pesawat Kepresidenan Indonesia-1.

Presiden pun menaiki kokpit pesawat tersebut dan memperhatikan panel-panel yang ada di pesawat tempur itu.

JF-17 Thunder adalah pesawat tempur ringan mesin tunggal. Pesawat multiperan ini dikembangkan bersama oleh industri kedirgantaraan Pakistan dan Tiongkok.
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https://www.antaranews.com/berita/681021/jokowi-naiki-kokpit-pesawat-jf-17-di-islamabad
 
Indonesia would be better off going with JF17, the F16's come
with alotof strings attached. If Indonesia does go to war with
Australia then their F16 fleet will be grounded by the Americans.

Indonesia should learn a lesson from Pakistan. Americans stopped
the sale of F16s with the pressler ammendment, they can stop the
supply of spares and also not give advanced weapons like they done
with Egypt.
 
Pakistan Air Forces few odd CN-235s were built by IPTN of Indonesia. We had at the time a requirement for around 12 of those transports before the financial constraints limited the buy to just 4. That requirement has not gone away, even with the delivery of used C-130s from UK.
I can see a quid-pro-quo deal where we buy transports which we require and they buy fighters in return. Win win situation from my pov
 
Well, Indonesia is a non block country who don't follow the West or East since the cold war era. But at the time of Soeharto, we lean to the west. So we have a lot of old Western weapons that we bought or procure from the United States from the start of Soeharto raise of power.

But around the '90 we got an arm embargo from the West because of East Timor, and at the end of Soeharto era, we lost East Timor. At that time, Australia support East Timor and sent their army to the island, and then secure the referendum with the result of East Timor left our country. Even today Australia still has a hidden agenda to support Papua independent. But right now, they put aside their agenda because they want to use Indonesia as their meat shield against China.

Beside that we have a rival at our northern border. It's Malaysia. We have some islands and border that contested with them.

And at the end, we have suspicious to China because of their 9 dash line, and how we have an incident with their coast guard at Natuna, when their stupid fisherman came to Natuna to stole our fish, and their coast guard interfere, and their government claim that Natuna water was just their traditional fishing spot. A not wise diplomatic action by China.

So basically we are a neutral country that positioned at the middle of the rivalry between China and the west. We can become the gate to close China from entering the Indian Ocean if they become hostile to us, but we can also become the guarantee of Chinese trade route if they are good to us. At the other side, the Western countries, like US and Australia want us to join their club to complete Obama grand ambition that we called as China pivot. If China become crazy and want to sink Aussie, they hope that our 200 millions people can become the frontline Soldiers to fights against China.

But if we talk about aircraft, we have our criteria. First, our territory is vast. But most of them are water. So we need an aircraft that capable to operate at long range, and we need an aircraft that can be used on a maritime mission. Like attacking a surface ships with AShM.

To be honest, I think Flanker fit to this mission criteria perfectly. But we still have to keep our relation with the west. So F-16 is also a good choice.
Indonesia has made a good choice between mixing Sus and F-16. They are a founding nation of non-aligned movement and will maintain that status. 360 deg friendship is better than hostilities. There are higher pressing domestic priorities which can be focused on as a result.
 
Pakistan Air Forces few odd CN-235s were built by IPTN of Indonesia. We had at the time a requirement for around 12 of those transports before the financial constraints limited the buy to just 4. That requirement has not gone away, even with the delivery of used C-130s from UK.
I can see a quid-pro-quo deal where we buy transports which we require and they buy fighters in return. Win win situation from my pov
This is plausible, just like our deal with s.korea. they took our cn235, we took T-50i. Once our air force decide to decommission hawk squadrons, there will be enough room to introduce new fighter. some say we're eyeing FA-50, but if JF-17 proved to be more capable, then that would be great too.
 
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This is one possible option that i thought will be pushed through.. Refurbished F-16 C/D upgrade to block 52+



This one possible scenario. If JF-17 proved to be superior than FA-50 both in capability and operational cost, i can see them replacing Hawk, instead of FA-50 in the future.

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A humble question to you, sir. If Indonesia vs. Australia scenario ever arises in future, do you think the West (and in particular USA) would allow you to use any of their supplied military system (leave alone F-16 planes for a second) against your adversary? I guess Indonesians have also tasted the same pill in not-so-distant past as we Pakistanis have done so many times.
 
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