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Indonesia stands up to China on Natuna Islands

I wonder what motivates these types to do this, and I quote the old adage' "do not bite the hand that feeds you.." ?

Your conjecture ?

There are many. They really depend on a lot of things. I can't find his exact biography or his early life, but one thing that I can say is that he is not a paid guy. This guy is passionate. Only passion and true conviction can make you do what this guy does on a daily basis. I remember, there was once a talk show about north korean nuclear program, and every one was talking about it, but every single time Gordon got a chance he came to his China bashing, and how it is all due to the Communist Party and China, he acted such a buffoon that even the conservative talk show host of Fox News started taking him lightly.

What do I think?

1. His family may have personally suffered in the civil war at the hands of the communists, taken from their land, and forced to migrate. Coming in America, he found true social acceptance and started despising Communist Party. This is quite plausible, because the guys main problem seems to be the CCP, and he just can't withstand any progress China makes under the communist rule. I have most sympathy for people of this bracket, and there are many many people here.

2. He truly became an American at heart totally and completely. He believes in the American way of life, and the mainstream political liberal western philosophy etc. He thinks China to be only his progenitor country, nothing more. Whenever there comes a case of China vs US, he would make sure to be extremely explicit in his support for the US even to such an extreme that he would totally go against the interests of his ancestral country. He will rationalize it by saying that nationality is the most important thing, and nations should not be based on race.
A standard example of this category is Amy Chang, who is a total american. It was actually weird for me to read a piece from her about China, and the way she evaluates the situation was exactly the way an extremely right wing, biased, white american would do it. No difference!

3. One other category is that he is just such a liberal minded person, for whom democracy, human rights are so important that he hates whole of China.

4. Other category includes people who are against China simply to kind of resist the "war on journalism" that they claim China is waging on them.

5. Final category are the people who think they just want prominence in their adopted country, want to assimilate in that culture, despise China in some ways, and most importantly build a business empire surrounding anti-China stance.

My bet is the combination of 1,2 and 5 for Gordon Chang.
 
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This article is BS.

Indonesia and China don't have any fundamentally contradictory territorial claims. Natuna is not included in the 9 dash line, and indonesia can very easily negotiate atleast 70 km of EEZ with China.

This is largely a fear of uncertainty.

Also, no words for Gordon Chang. It is really hard to understand this guy, a person born in china, a naturalised American citizen, who spares no opportunity to malign China.

His father is Chinese and his mother is White American of Scottish descent.

He has openly admitted that he hates his Chinese part and wishes he is fully white.
 
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There are many. They really depend on a lot of things. I can't find his exact biography or his early life, but one thing that I can say is that he is not a paid guy. This guy is passionate. Only passion and true conviction can make you do what this guy does on a daily basis. I remember, there was once a talk show about north korean nuclear program, and every one was talking about it, but every single time Gordon got a chance he came to his China bashing, and how it is all due to the Communist Party and China, he acted such a buffoon that even the conservative talk show host of Fox News started taking him lightly.

What do I think?

1. His family may have personally suffered in the civil war at the hands of the communists, taken from their land, and forced to migrate. Coming in America, he found true social acceptance and started despising Communist Party. This is quite plausible, because the guys main problem seems to be the CCP, and he just can't withstand any progress China makes under the communist rule. I have most sympathy for people of this bracket, and there are many many people here.

2. He truly became an American at heart totally and completely. He believes in the American way of life, and the mainstream political liberal western philosophy etc. He thinks China to be only his progenitor country, nothing more. Whenever there comes a case of China vs US, he would make sure to be extremely explicit in his support for the US even to such an extreme that he would totally go against the interests of his ancestral country. He will rationalize it by saying that nationality is the most important thing, and nations should not be based on race.
A standard example of this category is Amy Chang, who is a total american. It was actually weird for me to read a piece from her about China, and the way she evaluates the situation was exactly the way an extremely right wing, biased, white american would do it. No difference!

3. One other category is that he is just such a liberal minded person, for whom democracy, human rights are so important that he hates whole of China.

4. Other category includes people who are against China simply to kind of resist the "war on journalism" that they claim China is waging on them.

5. Final category are the people who think they just want prominence in their adopted country, want to assimilate in that culture, despise China in some ways, and most importantly build a business empire surrounding anti-China stance.

My bet is the combination of 1,2 and 5 for Gordon Chang.

Very fair analysis , @Bussard Ramjet , the threat of total indoctrination to a particular political ideology. I appreciate your psychoanalysis on Gordon Chang and the etiology of his vehement anti CPC stance. It's always interesting how past experiences, can influence our cognitive and behavioral tendencies. Thanks for sharing !
 
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There are many. They really depend on a lot of things. I can't find his exact biography or his early life, but one thing that I can say is that he is not a paid guy. This guy is passionate. Only passion and true conviction can make you do what this guy does on a daily basis. I remember, there was once a talk show about north korean nuclear program, and every one was talking about it, but every single time Gordon got a chance he came to his China bashing, and how it is all due to the Communist Party and China, he acted such a buffoon that even the conservative talk show host of Fox News started taking him lightly.

What do I think?

1. His family may have personally suffered in the civil war at the hands of the communists, taken from their land, and forced to migrate. Coming in America, he found true social acceptance and started despising Communist Party. This is quite plausible, because the guys main problem seems to be the CCP, and he just can't withstand any progress China makes under the communist rule. I have most sympathy for people of this bracket, and there are many many people here.

2. He truly became an American at heart totally and completely. He believes in the American way of life, and the mainstream political liberal western philosophy etc. He thinks China to be only his progenitor country, nothing more. Whenever there comes a case of China vs US, he would make sure to be extremely explicit in his support for the US even to such an extreme that he would totally go against the interests of his ancestral country. He will rationalize it by saying that nationality is the most important thing, and nations should not be based on race.
A standard example of this category is Amy Chang, who is a total american. It was actually weird for me to read a piece from her about China, and the way she evaluates the situation was exactly the way an extremely right wing, biased, white american would do it. No difference!

3. One other category is that he is just such a liberal minded person, for whom democracy, human rights are so important that he hates whole of China.

4. Other category includes people who are against China simply to kind of resist the "war on journalism" that they claim China is waging on them.

5. Final category are the people who think they just want prominence in their adopted country, want to assimilate in that culture, despise China in some ways, and most importantly build a business empire surrounding anti-China stance.

My bet is the combination of 1,2 and 5 for Gordon Chang.

Nope, CPC hasn't done anything bad to his family.

He is just a self-hating half-bred because during his childhood he has been labelled as a 'Chink' by his classmates.

That's the sole reason made him despise anything related to China.
 
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Nope, CPC hasn't done anything bad to his family.

He is just a self-hating half-bred because during his childhood he has been labelled as a 'Chink' by his classmates.

That's sole reason made him despise anything related to China.

So you're premising that due to past experiences in school bullying -- served as catalyst for Chang's own self hate? Projecting that to the CPC? But if that's the case why doesn't he project the same vitriol towards say Taiwan, Korea, Japan-- all are East Asian.

Perhaps there is more to it than just Chang's supposed intrapsychic tension. Wouldn't you say?
 
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So you're premising that due to past experiences in school bullying -- served as catalyst for Chang's own self hate? Projecting that to the CPC? But if that's the case why doesn't he project the same vitriol towards say Taiwan, Korea, Japan-- all are East Asian.

Perhaps there is more to it than just Chang's supposed intrapsychic tension. Wouldn't you say?

He just hates anything about East Asia, but China just takes that crown when it comes to his self-hating hatred.
 
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Nope, CPC hasn't done anything bad to his family.

He is just a self-hating half-bred because during his childhood he has been labelled as a 'Chink' by his classmates.

That's sole reason made him despise anything related to China.




Gordan Chang is half breed born in the US? If he born and breed in the US, he should never have the affliction for China in any special kind of way, he might show less bias view toward China but he should never had any loyalty to China what so ever. He don't need to defend China in any meaningful way or promote China in positive light, he American citizen he should uphold US interest 1st and foremost.

Gordon Chang should never pass himself as a Chinese because he a half breed with a total mindset of the white Ango Saxon mentality.
 
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Indonesia stands up to China on Natuna Islands
2015-01-21
By Martin Sieff

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Indonesia military commander: Gen. Moeldoko, seen here at a press conference on the search for AirAsia Flight 8501, says he and other leaders are determined to rebuff any Chinese threat to Indonesian territory in the South China Sea. [AFP]

The Armed Forces of Indonesia [TNI] is boosting its Air Force presence in the South China Sea, the latest sign that new President Joko Widodo and top generals are determined to stand up to China to maintain sovereignty over the Natuna Islands.

On January 15, TNI commander Gen. Moeldokospelled out the Armed Forces leadership’s determination to rebuff any Chinese threats to Indonesian territory in the South China Sea. He also explained the expanded role the Indonesian Air Force would play in fulfilling this strategy.

“In the future, I hope the Indonesian Air Force will be able to boost our sovereignty, especially in the South China Sea,” Moeldoko said during the inauguration of Air Force Chief Vice Marshal Agus Supriatna at the Halim Perdanakusuma Military Base in Jakarta, according to the Jakarta Post.

Moeldoko said competition in the South China Sea is getting tougher and the Air Force must secure Indonesia’s air territory and trading lines in the area, the newspaper reported.

In comments that hinted at closer bilateral security ties with Japan, Vietnam and the Philippines, the TNI commander said Indonesia would be looking to boost its security relationships with other major nations in the region.

Moeldoko said boosting air sovereignty in the South China Sea was important to striking security partnerships with neighboring countries and improving the national economy, theJakarta Post said.

Moeldoko’s commitment to the use of armed forced, especially air power, to defend Indonesia’s sovereignty will pose a major roadblock and dilemma for China’s ongoing drive to establish full sovereignty over 90 percent of the South China Sea within its 10-dash line.

Indonesia, with 250 million people, is the fourth most populous nation in the world [after China, India and the United States] and has the largest Muslim population. It is a leading nation in the Muslim world and has close security ties with the United States.

Indonesia does not acknowledge China claims

Gordon G. Chang, an expert on Asian security affairs, told the Asia Pacific Defense Forum [APDF] that Beijing met its match when it tried to make its case for sovereignty over theNatunas.

Indonesia does not acknowledge that China claims the Natunas as its own, even as the Chinese demand that the Indonesians hand them over.

“Indonesia’s bulking up of air assets in the vicinity of the islands is a clear indication that, whatever Jakarta’s diplomats may say in public, the Natunas are one archipelago too far for China,” Chang said.

Gen. Moeldoko also made clear that Indonesia would have to modernize and expand its Air Force to meet the challenge of enforcing its sovereignty and maintaining security over its region of the South China Sea.

Moeldoko said new jet fighters including the T-501 Golden Eagle, Sukhoi, Super Tucano and F-16 would help with surveillance. The Air Force is working on its 2015 strategic plan to purchase jet fighters to replace the 34-year-old F-5 jet fighters, the Jakarta Post said.

New foreign minister takes hardline approach

TNI’s tough new line on defending Indonesian sovereignty marks a dramatic change from the traditional “non-aligned” and “consensus” diplomacy followed over the past five years by previous Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa. He put top priority on maintaining conflict-free relations with China and cautiously seeking consensus among the 10 nations of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations [ASEAN].

However, Natalegawa’s policy was challenged by ASEAN member states Vietnam and the Philippines, which are locked in territorial disputes with Beijing over regions of the South China Sea. It also angered top TNI generals who feared Natalegawa was compromising the nation’s security.

Widodo surprised many commentators by embracing the generals’ tough line on defending sovereignty in the South China Sea. This tough stand led to a good start with the army commanders, despite his lack of a military background, and has proven popular with the public.

Southeast Asia analyst Carl Thayer warned in The Diplomat that there were dangers in the new Widodo-Moeldoko policy.

“Indonesia’s new president could jeopardize bilateral relations and ASEAN unity with his maritime ‘shock therapy,’” wrote Thayer, emeritus professor at the University of New South Wales.

“[Indonesia Minister of Maritime Affairs and Fisheries] Susi Pudjiastuti reported that Indonesia’s shock therapy resulted in a dramatic drop in foreign boats operating around Natuna Islands. She also claimed that no harm was done to Indonesia’s relations with neighboring countries. Still, President Widodo’s policy of shock therapy raises questions,” he wrote.

Within five days of Widodo’s “shock therapy” announcement, Indonesia seized 155 foreign fishing boats. The announcement followed a period of increasing numbers of fishing boats around Natuna Islands.

“In the past year an unprecedented number of Chinese fishing boats have been operating in sensitive waters around Natuna Islands. This year foreign analysts reported that Chinese fishing boats have even entered Indonesia’s territorial waters and in some cases have sailed up estuaries on small islands. This has led some observers to speculate that Widodo’s policy of shock therapy was a signal to China to rein in such activity,” Thayer wrote.

What steps can Indonesia’s military leaders take to maintain sovereignty over the Natuna Islands? Share your thoughts in the comment section below.

Indonesia stands up to China on Natuna Islands | Asia Pacific Defense Forum in English



It's so interesting ... you see neither the Indonesians nor the Chinese says a word about this confrontation right? Nothing except this author relate tried to connect the dots and cook up this "stands up" thing as if it was real!

Gotta admit his ability in cooking up a fake story, but more funny part is that some readers are retard enough to get fooled by this. The sick fooled the retards, amazing!

P.S. @madokafc : Don't get me wrong, it is a nice post to share, just saying that author is in fact sick, but i'm not going to put at "thanks" while the sick fooled the retards, sorry mate!


 
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Gordan Chang is half breed born in the US? If he born and breed in the US, he should never have the affliction for China in any special kind of way, he might show less bias view toward China but he should never had any loyalty to China what so ever. He don't need to defend China in any meaningful way or promote China in positive light, he American citizen he should uphold US interest 1st and foremost.

Gordon Chang should never pass himself as a Chinese because he a half breed with a total mindset of the white Ango Saxon mentality.


Hmmm. If he is half Chinese, he should have love and appreciation for his paternal identity. That's my view. There has to be a reason why he had become so vehement. Perhaps, just perhaps, to show more partiality to his "white" half? To prove to his Caucasian peers that he's one of them? I hope not. That's just disgusting if that's actually the nefarious truth.
 
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Hmmm. If he is half Chinese, he should have love and appreciation for his paternal identity. That's my view. There has to be a reason why he had become so vehement. Perhaps, just perhaps, to show more partiality to his "white" half? To prove to his Caucasian peers that he's one of them? I hope not. That's just disgusting if that's actually the nefarious truth.





He live in a majority white dominating society, which part of the ethnicity he should embrace, wise person will choose to associate with the domination side and he live in the US the only superpower for over 20 yrs which Ango Saxon dominate majority of the civilization for over 200 yrs up to now.
 
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He live in a majority white dominating society, which part of the ethnicity he should embrace, wise person will choose to associate with the domination side and he live in the US the only superpower for over 20 yrs which Ango Saxon dominate majority of the civilization for over 200 yrs up to now.

Anyway, that's his own problem, and CPC doesn't owe him anything.
 
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He probably does.

The WASP in US do culturely blackmouth all asians, including Korean and Japanese and Viets. They did it openly in the past, less openly now but still do so. Mentally-split Chang just happened to be on the Chinese link.

This arrogance is the reason you Japanese think the white are childish, no?

IMO this rigid identity exclusiveness is the reason the western cultures are good at expansion but never able to make a come back once they got conquered.


So you're premising that due to past experiences in school bullying -- served as catalyst for Chang's own self hate? Projecting that to the CPC? But if that's the case why doesn't he project the same vitriol towards say Taiwan, Korea, Japan-- all are East Asian.

Perhaps there is more to it than just Chang's supposed intrapsychic tension. Wouldn't you say?
 
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China needs to sort out all it's border issues and make her foes into allies so that it can overshadow USA.
 
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He probably does.

The WASP in US do culturely blackmouth all asians, including Korean and Japanese and Viets. They did it openly in the past, less openly now but still do so. Mentally-split Chang just happened to be on the Chinese link.

This arrogance is the reason you Japanese think the white are childish, no?

IMO this rigid identity exclusiveness is the reason the western cultures are good at expansion but never able to make a come back once they got conquered.

This -- cultural tension -- on part of the minorities themselves is worthy of research. In fact there have been some research into this, but definitely the issue of Asian minorities' identity perception would be a great read.

As for the WASP issue, I don't really know much about that so I really can't comment.
 
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