Indonesia eyes Eurofighters to check China’s threat

[Reashot Xigwin]

Yep, even the US cannot antagonize the whole world. Since WW1, the US never went into conflict alone, and always under the umbrella of supranational entities like NATO or UN.

If China keeps on antagonizing everyone like their PDF members do everyday, it wont do any good for China. This attitude is however normal for new riches/new power as it needs to prove its hegemony in its own home region before going global.

Translation: they got small dick syndrome.

This is what boggle me about xi. He basically inherited hu's good standing with other world leaders & he just throw away years of goodwill for short term territorial gain.

Even Indonesia was almost becoming part of Chinese orbit. Not fully of course but strong enough to maintain neutrality in case of war.

 

[rambro]

There is a higher chance of US or australia attacking indonesia than china pulling the trigger on indonesia, historically speaking it was the europeans portuguese, british, dutch, spanish, french that colonize and plunder by hook or by crook and they are still at it today albeit with different words.

It seems racism towards ethnic chinese is ok afterall. I forgot asians for the most part are white worshippers.

 

[Feng Leng]

Fact of the matter is that if you want to win against Indonesia they need to commit to long & sustained a land war against us. Current china not even strong enough to take Taiwan let alone the Indonesian archipelagos.

Airstrikes are a pleasure but we love bloody land wars even more. Thank you for the invitation

 

[nufix]

There is a higher chance of US or australia attacking indonesia than china pulling the trigger on indonesia, historically speaking it was the europeans british, dutch, spanish, french that colonize and plunder by hook or by crook and they are still at it today albeit with different words.

It seems racism towards ethnic chinese is ok afterall. I forgot asians for the most part are white worshippers.

Yes, and none of those countries you mentioned are allied with Indonesia. Moreover, US and AUS embassy have been subjects of mass demonstration in Indonesia and Chinese embassy never received such strong reaction from Indonesia so far.

And why cry racism here when it is the Chinese that talk about wiping out Jakarta and bombing Indonesians here?

 

[nufix]

Translation: they got small dick syndrome.

This is what boggle me about xi. He basically inherited hu's good standing with other world leaders & he just throw away years of goodwill for short term territorial gain.

Even Indonesia was almost becoming part of Chinese orbit. Not fully of course but strong enough to maintain neutrality in case of war.

Yep, Indonesia and China even held training together during Hu's era, not to mention that some plans for military technology cooperation were also planned during Hu's era.

With Xi? I dont know man, its like he totally forgot about China's peaceful rise.

 

[IblinI]

Yes, and none of those countries you mentioned are allied with Indonesia. Moreover, US and AUS embassy have been subjects of mass demonstration in Indonesia and Chinese embassy never received such strong reaction from Indonesia so far.

And why cry racism here when it is the Chinese that talk about wiping out Jakarta and bombing Indonesians here?

we also have indonesian talking about blocked the strait and bleed chinese slowly in this thread, but outside pdf in the real world when reaction from both society over eez dispute are totally different where there was not much or should i say almost none media coverage on our side but headline in your country tells you a real pic.

 

[nufix]

we also have indonesian talking about blocked the strait and bleed chinese slowly in this thread, but outside pdf in the real world when reaction from both society over eez dispute are totally different where there was not much or should i say none media coverage on our side but headline in your country tells you a real pic.

That might be because the focus of the conflict from your side is on Vietnam and Philippines as Indonesia and China has no direct territorial dispute. However from Indonesian side, the focus of the SCS conflict is on China and Vietnam. And headlines for Vietnam related issue are actually crafted in much stronger wordings compared to the headlines for China. VN and IDN ships actually collided on several occasions whereas with China, it was more of staring down contests with fishing boats being the main targets.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Yep, Indonesia and China even held training together during Hu's era, not to mention that some plans for military technology cooperation were also planned during Hu's era.

With Xi? I dont know man, its like he totally forgot about China's peaceful rise.

J-10B, C-705 was even considered as possible purchase back then. Before they spectacularly back fired on us. https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.republika.co.id/amp/odlttl414

Even back then India was also likely to fall under Chinese camp.

 

[rambro]

Yes, and none of those countries you mentioned are allied with Indonesia. Moreover, US and AUS embassy have been subjects of mass demonstration in Indonesia and Chinese embassy never received such strong reaction from Indonesia so far.

And why cry racism here when it is the Chinese that talk about wiping out Jakarta and bombing Indonesians here?

Feng Leng? yes i too noticed he is hot-tempered hence blunt but 1 doesn't represent all neither should we paint them with the same brush.

The reason i bring up the word Racism isn't exclusively applied to Indonesia but more aimed at the West regimes but that is different topic...articulation isnt my forte.

Side note - Actually chances are higher for indonesia to attack malaysia given Ganyang which isn't that long ago LOL.

 

[antonius123]

Indonesia is no pushover though



US alone is a massive headache for China, and their Ally like Australia, Japan, UK, Canada and other can be called upon to giving number boost.

Not really. In fact China is too big to be handled by US alone. The giant has awoken up.

 

[antonius123]

The Chinese here think we will just keel over letting the PLA walk over us.

Fact of the matter is that if you want to win against Indonesia they need to commit to long & sustained a land war against us. Current china not even strong enough to take Taiwan let alone the Indonesian archipelagos.

This is incorrect. The reason China has not invaded Taiwan yet is not because she is not strong enough compared to Taiwan military power, but because invading Taiwan means inflicting war with US, and at the moment China is not interested to get military conflict with US. China still enjoy strong economic growth; by letting high economic growth China will be certainly defeating US without bullet. Maybe in year 2030 when China economic, technology and military power has certainly surpass US while economic growth start to get stagnant then she will take action to invade Taiwan.

 

[S10]

Indonesia is the only SEA country that continues to deploy their navy to confront us over the South China Sea. Never underestimate human being's stupidity.
Tell that to the Qing dynasty.

The dispute is over fishing rights in the EEZ, not territorial in nature. Indonesia post no territorial threat to China or vice versa. Chinese Coast Guards are more than enough to handle whatever Indonesia has. The way you talk seems like you want China to fight every single one of its neighbors.

Calm your tits.

 

[S10]

This is incorrect. The reason China has not invaded Taiwan yet is not because she is not strong enough compared to Taiwan military power, but because invading Taiwan means inflicting war with US, and at the moment China is not interested to get military conflict with US. China still enjoy strong economic growth; by letting high economic growth China will be certainly defeating US without bullet. Maybe in year 2030 when China economic, technology and military power has certainly surpass US while economic growth start to get stagnant then she will take action to invade Taiwan.

Minor correction

China can actually take Taiwan even in the case of US intervention at this time, but it's the political and economic cost that stops it. Think of how badly the Russian economy fared after the annexation of Crimea due to Western sanctions. If there is mass unemployment, CCP's rule could be severely threatened.

That's why China needs another decade to bring its economic strength on par with US before trying anything.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

This is incorrect. The reason China has not invaded Taiwan yet is not because she is not strong enough compared to Taiwan military power, but because invading Taiwan means inflicting war with US, and at the moment China is not interested to get military conflict with US. China still enjoy strong economic growth; by letting high economic growth China will be certainly defeating US without bullet. Maybe in year 2030 when China economic, technology and military power has certainly surpass US while economic growth start to get stagnant then she will take action to invade Taiwan.

Keep dreaming kid.

 

[Daniel808]

This is incorrect. The reason China has not invaded Taiwan yet is not because she is not strong enough compared to Taiwan military power, but because invading Taiwan means inflicting war with US, and at the moment China is not interested to get military conflict with US. China still enjoy strong economic growth; by letting high economic growth China will be certainly defeating US without bullet. Maybe in year 2030 when China economic, technology and military power has certainly surpass US while economic growth start to get stagnant then she will take action to invade Taiwan.

China is crazy..
They are the only country at this moment to have Two Production Line for Aircraft Carrier, Two Production Line for LHD & LHA, and World's Largest Nuclear Submarine Factory.

And they did that with Budget Defence only a mere 2% of their GDP, imagine if they up their defence budget to 4% of GDP like US


China GDP in 2030 beyond will leaving others in the dust

So NO chance for the US to Win a Long-term Arms Race with China. That's why they want to 'Kill' China at this moment.

But Covid19 and BLM Riot & Protests across their country, just Accelerate China's Economy to leaving the US faster