Indonesia Defence Forum

[Nike]

hmmm Ukrainian T64 actually recondition tanks from your grave yard. And much more older than Leopard 2 series that alone tell you lot about which one is a truly trash!!

 

[initial_d]

Sh*t T-64......!? You could get tetanus just get near it....... Wkwkwk
No offense mate, but ukrainian are lousy at making tank

 

[Su-35SM3 Flanker-N]

It's OK, Leopard 2A4 is actually an older technology from early 1990's similar to M1A1 during first Gulf War. It needs additional protection upgrade. Leopard 2RI could potentially survive an ATGM hit on side turret, with its AMAP armor. Instead of buying Ukrainian tanks, it's better to upgrade existing Leopard 2A4 to 2RI standard

A test has shown that AMAP module could withstand RPG-7 with tandem warhead

 

[mandala]

Funny that some people in military forums are generalizing the vulnerability of the Leopard 2 armor. They didn't even think that the Turkish Leopard 2 deployed in Syria are the old variant LEOPARD 2A4 ! And they started comparing to a more modern upgraded MBT such as T-90, M1A2...etc. And those old Leopard 2A4 are without any additional add-on armor.

An excerpts from Below The Turret Ring:

"A big issue with the Turkish Leopard 2 tanks is the fact that they are outdated, they are not designed to resist currently available ATGMs and their armor is completely focused on protecting the frontal arc. It is not clear which armor package is fitted to the Turkish Leopard 2A4. While the late production Leopard 2A4 tanks received stronger armor inserts, all older production models were converted to the Leopard 2A4 configuration - without changing the armor composition! In fact even a few of the newly built Leopard 2A4 tanks were built with one of the older armor packages. Between 1979 and 1992 (the time were the Leopard 2 tank was series produced in Germany) three different generations of armor were used. It is not known if these are identical with single armor packages or mutliple different armor packages were used within a "technology generation". The first generation armor was introduced in 1979, while the second generation armor (1988) and third generation armor (1991) were exlusively used on Leopard 2A4 tanks."

http://below-the-turret-ring.blogspot.co.id/2016/12/leopard-2-in-syria.html?m=1

 

[mengkom]

Indonesia is ready to continue to buy the vaunted " German trash - Leopard-2 series" from Germany and still jeopardize the lives of Indonesian tankman or better to buy Ukrainian the best tanks T-64 with a high protection?

firstly, your post is out of topic. Syrian conflict has nothing to do with this thread
secondly, maybe you should think first before posting any comment with trolling intention

your argument is rubbish,
if you look the picture closely,
there's no debris scattered around the tank
there's no insert wound anywhere within the body and the turret
so, we can conclude that the damage is not done by outside threat, because there's no penetration at all!

that tank is deliberately destroyed by the crew
you know, it is a common standard operating procedure for the tank crew disabling their own tank in special circumstances
it is done when the tank is damaged beyond repair,
they destroyed their own tank to prevent the weaponry fall to the enemy's hand
that's why in battlefield, tank crew is typically equipped with thermite grenade

unlike Leopard 2, your Bulat tank is just a garage queen..she's never seen any actual combat, am i right?

 

[Su-35SM3 Flanker-N]

firstly, your post is out of topic. Syrian conflict has nothing to do with this thread
secondly, maybe you should think first before posting any comment with trolling intention

your argument is rubbish,
if you look the picture closely,
there's no debris scattered around the tank
there's no insert wound anywhere within the body and the turret
so, we can conclude that the damage is not done by outside threat, because there's no penetration at all!

that tank is deliberately destroyed by the crew
you know, it is a common standard operating procedure for the tank crew disabling their own tank in special circumstances
it is done when the tank is damaged beyond repair,
they destroyed their own tank to prevent the weaponry fall to the enemy's hand
that's why in battlefield, tank crew is typically equipped with thermite grenade

unlike Leopard 2, your Bulat tank is just a garage queen..she's never seen any actual combat, am i right?

There seem to be debris at the right side of the tank

Well rested Indonesians, I do not see your admiration for what you have bought a German tank Leopard 2 trash instead of a good Ukrainian T-64! ? Rejoice. You deserve it
See all wide-eyed

vaunted German tank

I understand that you are incredibly proud of your tanks.Ironically you have become a bad representative for your own country. Politeness can give so much benefits in the long run.

 

[mengkom]

There seem to be debris at the right side of the tank

I understand that you are incredibly proud of your tanks.Ironically you have become a bad representative for your own country. Politeness can give so much benefits in the long run.

no way that minor debris caused by ammo cook-off or high explosive
ammo cook off from dozens of 120mm ammo or high explosive from ATGM will create much more debris or bigger crater

just compare with this picture for example:

 

[rondo.royal2]

@madokafc @mengkom
coba tunjukin ke orang ukraine gambar T 64BM bulat hancur ..

Ketik digoogle image " destroyed T-64 bm bulat " muncul tuh photo bulat hancur

Sorry gw dari hp jadul..ga bisa nyomot gambar belum sempat ke pc

 

[mandala]

unlike Leopard 2, your Bulat tank is just a garage queen..she's never seen any actual combat, am i right?

^^^

https://twitter.com/x/status/488810022735187968

 

[rondo.royal2]

atau ketik digoogle image

" T-64 bm bulat destroyed defenseforumindia "

photonya sadis coy ..itu Turret nya copot ke tanah ..lepas dari badannya.. Ibarat orang kepalanya ditebas ..ckck .. Entah dihajar apa sampai copot gitu

Itu tank ..kita disuruh beli ?

 

[Nike]

seems reactive armor doesnt help too much

meanwhile Turkish Army while fighting with Leo 2A4 got no tank crew loss so far. Means they are better protected and had higher chance to escape with minor injuries when their tanks got hit by ATGM's

is better for Indonesian Army to get more Leopard 2 or even trying to get K2 black panther from South Korea ( just recently we got the offer but the tag price still so much for our current budget).

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Barracuda 4x4 - Brimob Polda DIY

 

[Nike]

penkostrad vid is well written and visualized

 

[nufix]

Turks and Indonesians - two people - brothers in style making wrong decisions. Both the people and the Turks and Indonesians God gave a chance to choose their normal tanks, which they would have been proud.
But the Turks and Indonesians have made a fatal mistake - choose German tanks Leopard-2 series. God in 2000 gave the Turks a chance instead of German Leoard-2A4 select developed by Ukraine under the Turkish side demands Ukrainian T-84 Yatagan (Scimitar), but the Turks have disobeyed God, and went on about fashion by German shit - Leopard-2.
With Indonesians exactly a decade later happened also ironic in the Turkish manner. In 2011, God gave a chance not stupid Indonesians instead of German Leoard-2A4 Revolution choose the Ukrainian tank T-64, but the Indonesians disobeyed God, and went on about fashion, like the Turks by the German shit - Leopard-2 Revolution. The Turks for their mistake already bitterly paying right now. And indoneziyvtsev still ahead!
What all of you and congratulate ...

There are many factors as to how the turkish army lost its tanks. Several evaluation shows that the problem with turkish army is that their tanks move almost alone if not alone at all. This doctrine is common among middle eastern armies tho.. REGARDLESS what tank they ride. It can be seen from many videos that shows that tanks moved ALONE in cities, no wonder they were blind in many spots.

In comparison, Indonesian cavalry doctrine states that tanks should not go alone if you have seen our latest military wargame in this video

.
See minute 2:50, you can see that our Leos are accompanied by mechanized infantries with M113s and Marder IFVs.

 

[Nike]

December 22, 2016
Serah Terima Tug Boat Malabar












PAL INDONESIA Serahkan Pesanan Kapal Tunda Ketiga TNI-AL

Surabaya – Di tengah upaya meningkatkan kinerja perusahaan, PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) menunjukkan komitmennya dengan menyerahkan 1 (satu) unit Kapal Tunda 2.400 HP, dengan nomor pembangunan M000296 pesanan NI AL di Dermaga Divisi Kapal Perang PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) pada 22 Desember 2016. Kapal yang bernama TD Malabar ini salah satu dari 3 (tiga) kapal tunda yang telah dipesan oleh TNI AL pada PT PAL Indonesia (Persero). Kapal yang telah melalui serangkaian proses pengujian sebagai persyaratan serah terima dan hasil uji masing-masing telah memenuhi standart yang dipersyaratkan antara lain (Harbour test, Sea trial, Bollard Pull Test) dan tahap terakhir adalah commodore inspection yang telah dilaksanakan pada 2 Desember 2016 oleh beberapa perwira tinggi TNI AL.

Asisten Logistik Kepala Staff Angkatan Laut (ASLOGKASAL) Laksamana Muda TNI Mulyadi menuturkan kebanggaanya akan produk Dalam Negeri. “Untuk Tahun 2017, kami telah memesan Kapal buatan Putra-Putri Bangsa yang tersebar di beberapa Galangan Indonesia. salah satunya PT PAL Indonesia yang mengerjakan pesanan kami” imbuhnya. Kapal tunda ini akan banyak ber operasi di wilayah Lantamal III Jakarta, bersama dengan TD Galunggung. Direktur PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) Turitan Indaryo menambahkan momentum untuk membanggakan Negeri telah datang, para Insan PAL Indonesia akan terus menghasilkan produk yang patut dibanggakan.

Sejenis dengan pendahulunya, keunggulan MALABAR juga mampu untuk melakukan Manuevering hingga 360⁰ serta mampu melaju hingga 12 Knots. Kapal Perang bantu yang berfungsi sebagai Kapal Pelabuhan dan kapal Pemadam, mampu menarik beban 30 Ton. Peran lain yang dimiliki sebagai wadah evakuasi kapal yang mengalami kecelakaan atau sedang “mogok” di tengah laut hingga mampu memadamkan kebakaran di Dermaga ataupun di Lautan. Pembangunan kapal tunda “TD Malabar” merupakan bentuk kepercayaan khususnya TNI AL terhadap galangan kapal dalam negeri, sekaligus sebagai bukti komitmen dalam melaksanakan kebijakan KKIP (Komite Kebijakan Industri Pertahanan), yang sejalan dengan ditunjuknya PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) sebagai Lead Integrator dalam pemenuhan kebutuhan Alutsista matra laut

Kapal yang memiliki Panjang 29 Meter dan lebar 9 meter ini mampu mengangkut 8 awak dan 2 penumpang tambahan serta mampu bertahan di laut selama 7 hari. Penyelesaian pembangunan kapal berkode M000296 mempunyai mesin dengan kekuatan 2x1200 Hp dan berbaling-baling ganda. Dengan berat kapal mencapai 550 ton, dibangun sesuai dengan persyaratan Marine Use dan Biro Klasifikasi Indonesia (BKI).

PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) berharap kerjasama yang telah terjalin selama ini, dapat terus ditingkatkan untuk masa kini dan masa mendatang, baik untuk pembangunan kapal baru, maupun perbaikan dan pemeliharaan kapal. Dan berkomitmen tinggi untuk terus menghasilkan produk yang berkualitas dan berkompeten, kapabilitas Insan PAL Indonesia kembali memperkuat dan turut serta dalam menjaga Kedaulatan Indonesia. Dengan mengedepankan etos dan semangat tinggi untuk memajukan PT PAL INDONESIA (Persero) serta Menjayakan Indonesia sebagai Poros Maritim Dunia.
http://www.pal.co.id/v5/news/index.php?id=nws2016122309553328

There are many factors as to how the turkish army lost its tanks. Several evaluation shows that the problem with turkish army is that their tanks move almost alone if not alone at all. This doctrine is common among middle eastern armies tho.. REGARDLESS what tank they ride. It can be seen from many videos that shows that tanks moved ALONE in cities, no wonder they were blind in many spots.

In comparison, Indonesian cavalry doctrine states that tanks should not go alone if you have seen our latest military wargame in this video

.
See minute 2:50, you can see that our Leos are accompanied by mechanized infantries with M113s and Marder IFVs.

btw, far east countries like Indonesia, Vietnam, Japan, Korean, China and other is emphasized on their infantry forces. They are much more willing to sacrifice huge number of infantryman to gain grounds on battlefield and resolve the situation as soon as possible. That's why western Armies since long had difficulties to fighting against far east power. Dont know why Middle Eastern Army is had no gut and willingness to accept casualties and preferring a prolonged war....