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Indonesia reportedly negotiating price of Russian Su-35 fighters

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The Sukhoi Su-35 in flight testing. Source: Sukhoi

Indonesia and Russia are continuing to negotiate the terms of the Indonesian Air Force's (TNI-AU's) procurement of Sukhoi Su-35 'Flanker-E' multirole combat aircraft, Indonesian defence minister Ryamizard Ryacudu has confirmed.

In comments reported by state-owned media agency Antara on 9 December, Ryacudu said the price of the aircraft had proved a stumbling block in the purchase of an initial eight aircraft.

"Just wait. [We] still have to bargain [the price]," he was quoted by Antara as saying. Ryacudu added that as well as price, Indonesia is also pressing Russia over the terms of technology transfer and localised production. "For the moment, [we plan to buy] just eight, and negotiations are underway," he said.

Details about the localised production programme have not been revealed but are unlikely to feature the manufacture or assembly of the whole aircraft unless Indonesia commits to a purchase of a significant number of aircraft. Localised component manufacturing and support are the most likely first phases of collaboration.

In 2015 Ryacudu said the Indonesian Ministry of Defence had selected the Su-35 to replace the TNI-AU's Northrop F-5E Tiger II fighters, which entered TNI-AU service in 1980 and are expected to be withdrawn from service by the end of the decade.

Previously outlining the rationale for the selection of the Su-35, Ryacudu has said that the TNI-AU was "accustomed" to operating Russian fighter aircraft. The service operates a mix of 16 Su-27SK 'Flanker' and Su-30MK2 'Flanker-C' fighter aircraft procured over the past decade.

Most of these aircraft, and other military platforms, were procured through aid and long-term loans provided by Moscow. It is also likely that similar financial mechanisms would support Indonesia's purchase of the Su-35. To that end, Tubagus Hasanuddin, vice-chairman of Indonesian House of Representatives' defence commission, confirmed in September 2015 that Jakarta was discussing with Moscow the terms of a USD3 billion defence loan.

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http://www.janes.com/article/66155/indonesia-reportedly-negotiating-price-of-russian-su-35-fighters
 
Report from Syria says two Leopard 2A4 of Turkish Armed Forces were hit by IS terrorists with ATGMs. The tanks are mostly undamaged.
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Need confirmation but this could be a way to measure how our Leopard 2A4 and Leopard 2RI would cope against enemy's ATGM.
 
according to @ramiallolah twitter account info says that 2 tanks destroyed one damaged after double direct atgm hit and another one damaged by mortar round, but not sure if it's leopard (turkish m60s also participate in the area as part of operation Euphrates shield. As for my personal opinion, those atgm will definietly penetrate the armor, ISIS operate a huge amount of ATGM's (mostly kornet) and they're using them quite effective against iraqi abrams. btw those leopard are used against ISIS stronghold of Al-BAB

That account is suspended to me and it was a pro ISIS account which had been spreading plenty of ridiculous hoaxes. But yeah this info is yet to be confirmed anyway, need to wait official statement from Turkish forces.
 
That account is suspended to me and it was a pro ISIS account which had been spreading plenty of ridiculous hoaxes. But yeah this info is yet to be confirmed anyway, need to wait official statement from Turkish forces.
can't agree more on @ramiallolah tendency of being pro ISIS. but I take info from any source anyway. in the case of syria and iraq, you can't find much of an info without being biased.
 
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An article from Greece.

Syria: "First" of the Leopard 2A4 in confrontation with antitank missile

22:45 12/12/2016

At least two attacks with anti-tank missiles conducted by ISIS against an equal number of Turkish tanks Leopard 2A4 in the area of al-Bab.

According to information from the Turkish army reported no loss tanks today, and thicken the internet reports that tanks survived without damage of attacks.

http://www.pronews.gr/portal/201612...toy-leopard-2a4-se-anametrisi-me-antiarmatiko



 
Leopard 2 series is without doubt one of the most heavily protected MBT in the world, and there is no monkey model ever produced
 
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An article from Greece.

Syria: "First" of the Leopard 2A4 in confrontation with antitank missile

22:45 12/12/2016

At least two attacks with anti-tank missiles conducted by ISIS against an equal number of Turkish tanks Leopard 2A4 in the area of al-Bab.

According to information from the Turkish army reported no loss tanks today, and thicken the internet reports that tanks survived without damage of attacks.

http://www.pronews.gr/portal/201612...toy-leopard-2a4-se-anametrisi-me-antiarmatiko


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clearly the second tank that got hit is cooked off, syrialiveumap confirms that 4 tank crewmen are injured. http://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2016/13-december-isil-hit-leopard-2a4-tank-with-atgm-near-al-bab
 
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Handover of the NC235 PT DI to the Royal Thai Police at the airport Don Muang, Bangkok, Thailand on Thursday, December 2016.Director of PT DI Dr. Budi Santoso, the Indonesian Ambassador Rusdi, Chief Flight Thai police Lt. Tanitsak Threevasawat.
 
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cooked off and 4 crew injured, are u so sure? usually they will died on the spot if their vehicle cooked off

It's likely that the ammo storage cooked off and the blow-out panel worked. This is consistent with the fact that the side turret is hit. The thickness of side turret is about 300+ mm, so far below the average penetration of modern ATGM. It makes sense if penetration occurred.

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It's likely that the ammo storage cooked off and the blow-out panel worked. This is consistent with the fact that the side turret is hit. The thickness of side turret is about 300+ mm, so far below the average penetration of modern ATGM. It makes sense if penetration occurred.

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have u have a solid proof to backing up your claim? any photos or video

if not yours just speculation and i can dismiss it

so far there is no picture about secondary explotion from the Leopard 2 in which had been hit by the ATGM to bring the suggestion of cooked off reaction ever happened. The prime explotion is what we got so far, either they just hit the jerry can or other flammable device around Leopard 2 turret or it was just an explotion from their prime warhead when collides with Leo body.

Some member trying to bring the issues for their own "pleasure"
 
have u have a solid proof to backing up your claim? any photos or video

if not yours just speculation and i can dismiss it

so far there is no picture about secondary explotion from the Leopard 2 in which had been hit by the ATGM to bring the suggestion of cooked off reaction ever happened. The prime explotion is what we got so far, either they just hit the jerry can or other flammable device around Leopard 2 turret or it was just an explotion from their prime warhead when collides with Leo body.

Some member trying to bring the issues for their own "pleasure"

I said that it's "likely"...so it's speculation and you can dismiss it if you want.

Modern Russian ATGM can penetrate more than 600mm of armor, while the side turret armor of Leopard 2 is only half of that. So, it makes sense if penetration did occur.

Even if Leopard 2 is penetrated, TNI-AD can learn from this and perhaps upgrade existing 2A4 units into 2RI standard. Compared to other tanks, Leopard 2 has limited combat records. There are flaws that are yet to be discovered in combat situations.
 

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