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I personally would be happy IF we get 32 of Super Flanker, but if its only 12, better those Desert Falcon in large numbers + AMRAAM :)

True that there's no contract yet for SU-35, but if we take the latest news & info into consideration, i guess it's highly likely that we will take 32 units SU-35 with TOT & maintenance facilities. I mean, that's great news and in my opinion, one of the best possible scenario for F5 replacement program. If we take 32 units SU-35, combine with the existing flanker jets, then we can form 3 heavy fighter sqn. With this number, maintenance facilities is a must, and will be a strategic decision to implement.

We don't really need F35, since we will build our own steath fighter with korea. And we will build this fighter jets in a great number, around 50 if i'm not mistaken. And i will not drop the possibilities for acquiring F16V to fulfil light fighter role, even if we choose to take SU-35 today.

F16 Block 52+ | SU35 | IFX , this configuration will be quite formidable.
 
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Getting the F35 is not impossible but now it still on 1st batch production and the priority is for partner countries which is participate in the initial investment since the development. Even Singapore cannot get it right now but when all the delivery to the investing country has finished the F35 will enter mass production it will be available to other country include Indonesia.
So the reason we are not being offered F35 is not because we are not close ally but because the priority of the 1st batch production.

The Su-35 of course has better attributes to the viper but having only a squadron of them will not give any effect at all while Australia will get 4-5 squadrons of F35. So basically we are not getting stronger with a few Su-35 when our neighbors start acquiring F-35 in bigger number. Even the current Singapore Air force F-15 SG fleet still get advantage against our small qty of Su-35. And without comprehensive maintenance technology transfer it would be more harder for us to keep those Super Flankers at the high level of readiness.

And currently based on some insight information only 2 out 5 of our Su-27 still airworthy, (we have 11 Su-30 and 5 Su-27).
Apart from all euphoria in getting Su-35 Super Flanker, we must bear in mind that Russian machines costly to maintain.

Me personally will be more happy of having two or three full squadron of used F-16 (ex USAF) capable of firing AMRAAM missile or F-16V rather than only 1 squadron of Su-35 Super flanker. Because our airspace is too huge to be protected by small number of fighters no matter how advance the tech.

Not to mention Su-35 itself is only an 'emergency' stop-gap by Russian air force since their PAKFA is still not ready yet and cannot enter mass production at least for the next 5 years from now.


I personally would be happy IF we get 32 of Super Flanker, but if its only 12, better those Desert Falcon in large numbers + AMRAAM :)

Agree, there is still possibility to us to get it, but I don't think we'll get it within 20-30 years ahead.
Just look at how much time since the first version of F-15 revealed and suddenly they came with the offer to compete in our F-5 replacement bid. As long as the constellation between US and Indonesia doesn't change much, the reality will always as follow.
Again I agree with you that quantity over quality as our main goal IF.. IF we don't have sufficient budget. But should we have it, it has quality over quantity.
Something that our government has to think and I think they've been thinking about it.
 
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Some of the F-16’s evolutions over the past four decades include:

  • Increase in range and payload
  • Infrared sensors and laser targeting devices
  • Enhanced survivability with more advanced warfare sensors and sophisticated decoys
  • Increased engine thrust to retain aerodynamic performance
  • Conformal fuel tanks
  • All-glass cockpits with large color displays, hands-on throttle and sidestick switch controls, night vision goggle-compatible lighting, a color moving map, and a large head-up display
  • Improved Datalinks, satellite phones and helmet-mounted cueing systems
The new Viper configuration provides additional features as part of an upgrade package that satisfy the customers’ emerging requirements and better prepare the F-16s to interoperate with 5th generation fighters, such as the F-35 and the F-22, including:

  • An active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar
  • Upgraded mission computer and architecture
  • Updated avionics systems
  • Embedded global positioning system
  • Upgraded electronic warfare equipment
The F-16: Then and Now · Lockheed Martin
 
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Indonesian police Task Force Gegana during skydiving exercise for The police mobile brigade (Brimob) 54th anniversary in 14 Nov 2015

photo credit : SW04
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That's for the best. I can imagine already Indonesian Air Force posture in the future with F16 52+, SU35, and IFX. Each of them have at least 3 sqn size.
No at least 6 squadrons each. You need a Air Force which has at least 350 Fighter Jets this is the minimum number which Indonesia should have.
 
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No at least 6 squadrons each. You need a Air Force which has at least 350 Fighter Jets this is the minimum number which Indonesia should have.

Easy man, KFX must be our main fighter with Su 35 as our deep strike fighter. F-16 Viper needs to give TOT just like Eurofighter in order to be seen as a serious contender. And there shouldn't be a case like what happens with South Korea in which the approved TOT get blocked by US government after the deal happened (F 35).
 
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Caliber 5.56x45 mm
Weight (empty) 3.4 kg
Weight (loaded) 4.2 kg
Length 990 mm
Length (with folded stock) 740 mm
Barrel length 460 mm
Muzzle velocity ~ 730 m/s
Cyclic rate of fire 700 rpm
Magazine capacity 30 rounds
Sighting range ?
Range of effective fire 500 m


The Senapan Serbu 2 or SS2 is a first Indonesian designed assault rifle. It was developed to replace the previous SS1. The new assault rifle and has a number of improvements. Tests have been conducted during 2003-2005. Production of the SS2 commenced in 2005. Deliveries to the Indonesian armed forces commenced in 2006 where it replaces the older Pindad SS1. Over 25 000 SS2 assault rifles were produced for Indonesian armed forces. This weapon is being proposed for possible export customers. Some sources report that it has been exported to Cambodia, Malaysia, Mali, Myanmar, Oman, Philippines, Saudi Arabia and possibly some other countries.

The Pindad SS2 is based on the previous SS1, which in turn is a license produced version of the Belgian FN FNC. It has a number of improvements, including an integral scope rail. The new weapon has a rounded ribbed foregrip with heat ventilation holes. It improves barrel cooling during sustained fire. The Pindad SS2 is slightly lighter than its predecessor. Also it has a longer barrel and is slightly more accurate. The weapon has some features of the US M16 assault rifle. Barrels for this rifle were originally produced in Germany. However later due to arms embargo Pindad switched to South Korean made barrels.

The Pindad SS2 is an inexpensive and not too complex weapon. It has a simple design and is easy to maintain. Price of this weapon is only about $500.

The SS2 is a gas operated weapon. It is chambered for a standard NATO 5.56x45 mm ammunition. Overall its operating mechanism strongly resembles that of Kalashnikov assault rifle, but it was adapted to more advanced production methods and is made of more sophisticated materials. It has been reported that this weapon is very reliable.

This weapon can fire in semi-auto or full-auto modes. It lacks 3-round burst capability of the previous Pindad SS1.

The SS2 is fed from 30-round box magazines. This weapon is compatible with all standard NATO 5.56 mm magazines.

This assault rifle has a side-folding skeletal stock. When folded it does not obstructs the trigger.

The Pindad SS2 has a Picatinny-type scope rail. So every assault rifle can be fitted with a scope. All assault rifles come with removable carrying handle , that has built-in diopter-type sights. Also there is an SS2-V2 dedicated marksman rifle, that comes as standard with a scope.

Flash suppressor is based on the M16A2 design. The rifle can launch rifle grenades. The basic SS2-V1 assault rifle can be fitted with Pindad SPG-1A 40-mm underbarrel grenade launcher, that is similar to the US M203.



Variants



Pindad SS2-V1, a standard full-size assault rifle. It is the only version that is compatible with underbarrel grenade launcher;

Pindad SS2-V2 carbine version with a sorter barrel and foregrip;

Pindad SS2-V3 full-size assault rifle with a solid plastic stock. Some sources report that this weapon was planned to be produced by Pindad, but was rejected;

Pindad SS2-V4 designated marksman rifle. Front sight post has been removed. This weapon comes as standard with a scope. It extends a fire reach of the squad. Also some sources report that this rifle is used by Indonesian special forces;

Pindad SS2-V5 compact assault rifle. This version was first revealed in 2008. The SS2-V5C is used by Indonesian KOPASSUS special forces;

Pindad SS2 version with bullpup layout. It first appeared in 2012. Sometimes it is referred as Pindad SS3.


Pindad SS2 Assault Rifle | Military-Today.com
 
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No at least 6 squadrons each. You need a Air Force which has at least 350 Fighter Jets this is the minimum number which Indonesia should have.
We need 10 fighter squadron (4 - 4.5 gen) with minimum number 120 airframes to protecting our airspace. That what the air force planned. currently we have 2 ground atttack sqn (1st & 12th), 3 fighter sqn (3rd, 11th, 16th) + 1 (the 14th) to be replaced by Su-35, and 1 fighter / lead trained (15sqn). The air force plan to add 3 new fighter sqn (4.5 gen). But we need to replace the light attack aircraft at the 1st and 12th with at least F-16 C/D to really have 10 fighter sqn capabilities.

What you dont understand @Zarvan is the nature and situation in the South East Asia is different than what you have with your South Asian brothers. We dont have serious territorial disputes among ASEAN country and having 200+ fighter will only triggers the worst situation which is arms race between ASEAN country. For Indonesia, having 10 full fighter squadron is sufficient and will put us right above our direct neighbor (Malaysia, Singapore, Philippines, East Timor, Papua New Guinea) when calculates the overall armed forces and just enough to give deterrence capabilities towards our Southern neighbor (Australia).

So as you see, having 300 fighter will not give us more safety but will only increase the tension and take away security and this region stability.
 
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