Indonesia Defence Forum

[Nike]

We need 10 fighter squadron (4 - 4.5 gen) with minimum number 120 airframes to protecting our airspace. That what the air force planned. currently we have 2 ground atttack sqn (1st & 12th), 3 fighter sqn (3rd, 11th, 16th) + 1 (the 14th) to be replaced by Su-35, and 1 fighter / lead trained (15sqn). The air force plan to add 3 new fighter sqn (4.5 gen). But we need to replace the light attack aircraft at the 1st and 12th with at least F-16 C/D to really have 10 fighter sqn capabilities.

What you dont understand @Zarvan is the nature and situation in the South East Asia is different than what you have with your South Asian brothers. We dont have serious territorial disputes among ASEAN country and having 200+ fighter will only triggers the worst situation which is arms race between ASEAN country. For Indonesia, having 10 full fighter squadron is sufficient and will put us right above our direct neighbor (Malaysia, Singapore, Philippines, East Timor, Papua New Guinea) when calculates the overall armed forces and just enough to give deterrence capabilities towards our Southern neighbor (Australia).

So as you see, having 300 fighter will not give us more safety but will only increase the tension and take away security and this region stability.

this region is rich enough to have a nightmare arm races

 

[Indos]

Indonesia needs to be a dominant military power in South East Asia and I believe after 2020, inshaAllah, there is no one in the region has the economy and military industrial base like we do.

After 2020, China will have more grip on the region through its military base in SCS so it is so natural for us to prepare for being huge military power to balance the region, and for that goal we need to nurture and develop our defense industry. We must think 30 years ahead and the mistake we made now will cause huge damage in the future.

 

[Nike]

Indonesia needs to be a dominant military power in South East Asia and I believe after 2020, inshaAllah, there is no one in the region has the economy and military industrial base like we do.

After 2020, China will have more grip on the region through its military base in SCS so it is so natural for us to prepare for being huge military power to balance the region, and for that goal we need to nurture and develop our defense industry.

no one can deny that, that's our right and forte being a large country with huge chance to become a dominant force

 

[pr1v4t33r]

all hail Indonesia Raya

 

[Nike]

Government Rubbishes Independent Hague Tribunal on 1965 Massacresi
Jakarta. The Indonesian government has rebuffed as irrelevant a people’s tribunal to be staged in The Hague this week over a military-led purge that led to the deaths of up to two million suspected communist sympathizers from 1965-66.

The tribunal, to run from Wednesday until Friday, is organized by Indonesian human rights activists, academics and journalists, gathered under the International People’s Tribunal.

Their attempt to shine a light on arguably the darkest chapter in Indonesia’s history as an independent nation has met with derision from government officials such as Luhut Pandjaitan, the chief security minister, who questioned the fairness of such a tribunal.

“Who will be indicted? How come they decide something for us?” he responded when asked to comment on the upcoming event.

Separately, Attorney General H.M. Prasetyo, who has repeatedly refused to launch an inquiry into findings of gross violations of human rights in the 1965 purge as detailed by the government-funded rights watchdog, bristled at the fact that the tribunal was taking place outside the country.

“These are our own problems and we well solve them ourselves. There’s no need for involvement from other parties,” he said as quoted by Kompas.

He did not say when his office would, if ever, start looking seriously into the anti-communist massacre or the other military-led purges in the decades since that were highlighted by the National Commission for Human Rights (Komnas HAM) in a groundbreaking 2012 report.

The tribunal at The Hague will attempt to prove that genocide and crimes against humanity had in fact been committed during the 1965-66 affair, although the Indonesian government continuously to make an official statement on the matter.

Valentina Sagala, a commissioner at the NGO Women’s Institute and a member of the group behind the tribunal, stressed that it was not an attempt to indict anyone on criminal charges.

She said the tribunal’s outcome, expected to be presented next year at the United Nations Human Rights Council in Geneva, would not be legally binding, but would instead serve as a “moral verdict” so that the Indonesian government could formulate its own policies on addressing the massacres of half a century ago.

In Jakarta, State Secretary Pratikno said on Tuesday that President Joko Widodo had already instructed officials to come up with ways to resolve the thorny issue. “The government is working very hard to prepare a systematic solution,” he said as quoted by Kompas.

Government Rubbishes Independent Hague Tribunal on 1965 Massacres | Jakarta Globe

What’s Behind the Missing US-Indonesia Maritime Security Pact?
Entrenched interests prevent the signing of a coast guard pact between Washington and Jakarta.

By Prashanth Parameswaran
November 11, 2015
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As expected, Indonesian president Joko “Jokowi” Widodo’s first visit to the United States last month saw the inking of several key agreements to boost the U.S.-Indonesia comprehensive partnership (See: “Exclusive: US, Indonesia to Strengthen Partnership During Jokowi Visit”).

Close observers of the visit, however, would have noticed the absence of a work plan on coast guard cooperation on the list of documents signed by both sides. The work plan was initially one of the concrete deliverables expected, given the importance of maritime security for the two countries as well as the issue’s rising prominence in the Asia-Pacific over the past few years (See: “Exclusive: US, Indonesia Eye New Defense Pacts for Jokowi Visit”).

Instead, sources told The Diplomat that there was a last-minute cancellation of the agreement from the Indonesian side just days before Jokowi touched down in the United States. The nixing of the pact has cast a pall over U.S.-Indonesia security ties.

“The issue is we have sectoral egos,” an Indonesian official speaking on condition of anonymity told The Diplomat. “There is still a fight for authority.”

Indonesia’s Maritime Coordination Problem

The structural issue is not new. Indonesia, the world’s largest archipelagic state, has no less than 12 agencies responsible for maritime security, which has made coordination a logistical nightmare. In a bid to resolve this, Jokowi set up a new Maritime Security Agency (BAKAMLA) last December to serve as Indonesia’s equivalent of a coast guard, replacing its weak predecessor BAKORKAMLA.

At the time, it was hoped that BAKAMLA, with a strong mandate as well as an eventually larger staff and fleet, would overcome this maritime coordination problem and help Jokowi realize his maritime vision, which sees Indonesia as a “global maritime fulcrum” between the Indian and Pacific Oceans (See: “Indonesia’s Maritime Ambition: Can Jokowi Realize It?”)

But as a new body which still lacks personnel and patrol boats, BAKAMLA has predictably faced domestic challenges as it tries to get off the ground. Even BAKAMLA’s own operating chief, Commodore Wuspo Lukito, has admitted it has been caught in a web of regulations and maritime stakeholders and that it would take time to get past these obstacles.

“Synergizing with other maritime stakeholders takes time,” Lukito told The Jakarta Post somewhat euphemistically in his office in Jakarta earlier this year.

Domestic Resistance

The current resistance that scuppered the work plan on coast guard cooperation between Indonesia and the United States, The Diplomat understands, appears to be coming from the office of Luhut Pandjaitan, a close adviser to Jokowi who was recently appointed coordinating minister for political, legal and security affairs following a cabinet reshuffle in August (See: “What Does Indonesia’s Cabinet Reshuffle Mean?”).

Since BAKAMLA is housed under the Coordinating Ministry for Political, Legal and Security Affairs, Pandjaitan’s new role as coordinating minister means he now functions as the ex-officio chairman of the new body, reporting directly to the president, with the executive chairman operating as more as a day-to-day manager. This is an important role given that Jokowi sees BAKAMLA as a critical part of realizing the country’s maritime ambitions, participating in key initiatives such as the campaign to eradicate illegal fishing (See: “Explaining Indonesia’s ‘Sink the Vessels’ Policy Under Jokowi”).

“BAKAMLA is expected to help aid the implementation of President Jokowi’s vision to promote supremacy at sea, for example by combating rampant illegal fishing, as part of his ‘world maritime axis’ doctrine,” Tedjo Edy Purdjianto, Pandjaitan’s predecessor, had explained.

But while BAKAMLA has begun to get past some of its resource problems, there are still influential interest groups that view its very existence as a threat. As one source put it to The Diplomat, at a time when there is still a struggle within Indonesia about who exactly has authority over maritime security, there is little surprise that there would be resistance to a work plan that seeks to advance coast guard cooperation with the United States.

The Work Plan

Despite these power struggles, the work plan itself, a yet-to-be-released two-page document, does not contain anything that is a bridge too far substantively. It seeks to strengthen maritime safety and security and boost Indonesian law enforcement institutions and capabilities, with a focus on organizational management, human resource capacity, and technical skills. The means through which this is done include educational opportunities, subject matter expert exchanges and workshops, and senior level consultations.

Nonetheless, it would have been an unquestionable boost for the U.S.-Indonesia relationship. For one, it would have put more meat on the bones of U.S.-Indonesia maritime security cooperation, which is still quite basic. It would also have done so in a way where Indonesia would benefit greatly from American knowledge and resources.

“This is a great opportunity for us to benefit from the expertise and experience of the United States,” one official told The Diplomat.

Indeed, when BAKAMLA’s executive chairman, Vice Admiral Desi Albert Mamahit, had a meeting with United States Coast Guard commander Admiral Paul F. Zunkunft in Washington during Jokowi’s visit, he himself had expressed hope that the U.S. could play a role in human resource capacity-building as well as education and training of the newly-created body.

Furthermore, it would have given teeth to U.S.-Indonesia maritime cooperation. While Washington and Jakarta did ink a memorandum of understanding (MoU) on maritime cooperation during Jokowi’s visit, which lays out broad priority areas including maritime security and maritime safety and navigation, the work plan on coast guard cooperation was intended to serve as a more concrete deliverable as evidence that specific measures could take off within this. Officially signing such initiatives also helps paves the way for the authorization of funding and other resources.

The Road Ahead

On the U.S. side, there is unsurprisingly frustration about the lack of signing of the agreement. When informed about the agreement not being signed days before Jokowi’s visit, one U.S. official suggested that failure to ink the agreement would negatively impact maritime security cooperation between the two countries.

“If we don’t sign this, this will affect maritime cooperation between the United States and Indonesia,” the official reportedly said.

To be sure, this is not the end of the road for U.S.-Indonesia maritime security cooperation by any means. The hope is that a signing can be arranged once domestic issues are sorted out. BAKAMLA’s power may also grow over time if it continues to get ships from other agencies and new patrol boats are built for it as well.

In the meantime, both sides have also reportedly prepared a draft of the maritime cooperation action plan, a document that fleshes out the various areas of cooperation, including maritime security, in quite some detail. More generally, the defense relationship did make several notable gains during Jokowi’s visit, including the signing of a defense agreement which includes a procurement and joint research and development section that offers future promise.

Nonetheless, the failure to ink the work plan on coast guard cooperation is yet another cautionary tale that even advancing U.S.-Indonesia relations in areas so clearly critical to Jakarta’s own interests may be a tougher road than might be expected.

What’s Behind the Missing US-Indonesia Maritime Security Pact? | The Diplomat

Australia, Indonesia Launch Naval Exercise
Exercise New Horizon, focusing on maritime security, kicks off.

By Prashanth Parameswaran
November 10, 2015

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Australia and Indonesia began four days of naval exercises on November 9.

Exercise New Horizon, which takes place this year from the 9th to 12th of November, is regarded as the most important naval exercise between the two countries.

Both navies will take part in various activities both at sea and ashore, including exercises in the areas of anti-air warfare, anti-submarine warfare, tactical maneuvering, replenishments at sea and communications. It will also include a helicopter exercise to highlight bilateral cooperation between the Indonesian Navy (TNI-AL) and the Royal Australian Navy (RAN), Colonel Didong Rio Duta indicated before the exercise began.

The focus of the activities, Colonel Didong told national news agency Antara News in early September amid preparations, will be on military operations other than war (MOOTW), consisting of a harbor phase, sea phase and post-exercise phase. The sea phase would be held in the waters around the Java Sea and the harbor phase would take place in the Navy’s Eastern Fleet Command. Helicopters, marine patrol aircraft and ships would be involved.

Maritime security will be a key part of the joint exercise, the Australian embassy said in a statement released as New Horizon kicked off. It added that the Royal Australian Navy Frigate HMAS Arunta and RAN tanker HMASSirius had arrived in Surabaya for the exercise. Cameron Steil, the commanding officer of HMAS Arunta, emphasized the importance of the exercise to Australia’s relationship with Indonesia as well as the region more generally.

“Our relationship with the TNI-AL and Indonesia in general remains one of the most important that we have in this region, Steil said.

“The activities we will undertake together will allow us to operate more closely with each other to better protect out maritime interests. We share a common determination to keep our waterways secure.”
Australia, Indonesia Launch Naval Exercise | The Diplomat

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[anas_nurhafidz]

Indonesia could take China to the International Criminal Court (ICC) if Beijing's claim to the majority of the East Vietnam Sea and part of Indonesian territory is not resolved through dialogue, Indonesia's security chief said on Wednesday.

Beijing's claim to almost the entire East Vietnam Sea is shown on Chinese maps with a nine-dash line that stretches deep into the maritime heart of Southeast Asia, including parts of the Indonesian-held Natuna islands.
Vietnam, the Philippines, Taiwan, Malaysia and Brunei also claim parts of the waterway.
The Philippines has already taken China to the ICC in The Hague, a case Beijing refuses to recognize.
Indonesia believes China's claim over parts of the Natuna islands has no legal basis.
"We are working very hard on this. We are trying to approach the Chinese," Luhut Panjaitan told reporters.
"We would like to see a solution on this in the near future through dialogue, or we could bring it to the International Criminal Court."
"We don't want to see any power projection in this area. We would like a peaceful solution by promoting dialogue. The nine-dash line is a problem we are facing, but not only us. It also directly (impacts) the interests of Malaysia, Brunei, Vietnam and the Philippines."
Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said on Wednesday the Philippines' case against China before the ICC had strained relations and that it was up to the Philippines to heal the rift.

Indonesia says could also take China to court over East Vietnam Sea

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Indonesia could take China to the International Court if Beijing's claim to the majority of SCS and part of Indonesian territory is not resolved through dialogue, Indonesia's security chief said on Wednesday.

Mau dibikin rame nih

Patroli di Natuna

 

[anas_nurhafidz]

Mau dibikin rame nih

Hot hot and getting hot

Dari kemaren juga isu2 hoax di fb sudah beredar mengenai broadcast kesiap siagaan TNI di Natuna.

Indonesia May Order F-16s, Lockheed Martin Says

BEIJING – A possible contract from Indonesia may extend F-16 manufacturing into 2018, says Lockheed Martin, as the company works on filling an Iraqi order that may be the last for the biggest-selling fighter in current production.
Although Indonesian Defense Minister Ryamizard Ryacudu said in September that the country had chosen the Sukhoi Su-35 for its next fighter order, the deal has not been signed. The F-16 remains a contender, according to Randall Howard, Lockheed Martin’s business development director for the type.
Indonesia is considering the fighter in its F-16V version, which includes the Northrop Grumman APG-83 radar, a sensor with an active, electronically scanning array.
Howard did not discuss the number of F-16s that Indonesia may order, but the minister has said the country would buy eight Su-35s. It previously wanted more so it could field a full squadron.
As things stand, the last F-16 order is for a batch of 36 aircraft for Iraq. Deliveries have begun and are due to end in late 2017, winding up F-16 production 43 years after the type’s first flight. A batch of eight for Indonesia would extend production into 2018, but not further, unless they were built at an unusually low rate.
Among Western supersonic fighters, only the F-4 Phantom, built from 1958-81, has exceeded the F-16’s production run of more than 4,500 aircraft.
The Su-35 and F-16V would both offer limited commonality with fighters that Indonesia is already operating. The country’s air force has 16 aircraft in two earlier versions of Sukhoi’s Flanker family and 10 F-16A/Bs.
Lockheed Martin is upgrading the F-16A/Bs, modifying the radars to APG-68 (v) 9 standard and improving the mission computers and other avionics.
The company also has opportunities for F-16 orders in the Middle East, South America and elsewhere in Asia, Howard says.

Lockheed Martin: Indonesia May Order F-16s | Defense content from Aviation Week

 

[Krakatau Class]

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Indonesia could take China to the International Criminal Court (ICC) if Beijing's claim to the majority of the East Vietnam Sea and part of Indonesian territory is not resolved through dialogue, Indonesia's security chief said on Wednesday.
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Beijing's claim to almost the entire East Vietnam Sea is shown on Chinese maps with a nine-dash line that stretches deep into the maritime heart of Southeast Asia, including parts of the Indonesian-held Natuna islands.
Vietnam, the Philippines, Taiwan, Malaysia and Brunei also claim parts of the waterway.
The Philippines has already taken China to the ICC in The Hague, a case Beijing refuses to recognize.
Indonesia believes China's claim over parts of the Natuna islands has no legal basis.
"We are working very hard on this. We are trying to approach the Chinese," Luhut Panjaitan told reporters.
"We would like to see a solution on this in the near future through dialogue, or we could bring it to the International Criminal Court."
"We don't want to see any power projection in this area. We would like a peaceful solution by promoting dialogue. The nine-dash line is a problem we are facing, but not only us. It also directly (impacts) the interests of Malaysia, Brunei, Vietnam and the Philippines."
Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said on Wednesday the Philippines' case against China before the ICC had strained relations and that it was up to the Philippines to heal the rift.

Well, you don't get what you don't ask for.
They have to finish what they started.

 

[Zero_wing]

Hot hot and getting hot

Dari kemaren juga isu2 hoax di fb sudah beredar mengenai broadcast kesiap siagaan TNI di Natuna.

Indonesia May Order F-16s, Lockheed Martin Says
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BEIJING – A possible contract from Indonesia may extend F-16 manufacturing into 2018, says Lockheed Martin, as the company works on filling an Iraqi order that may be the last for the biggest-selling fighter in current production.
Although Indonesian Defense Minister Ryamizard Ryacudu said in September that the country had chosen the Sukhoi Su-35 for its next fighter order, the deal has not been signed. The F-16 remains a contender, according to Randall Howard, Lockheed Martin’s business development director for the type.
Indonesia is considering the fighter in its F-16V version, which includes the Northrop Grumman APG-83 radar, a sensor with an active, electronically scanning array.
Howard did not discuss the number of F-16s that Indonesia may order, but the minister has said the country would buy eight Su-35s. It previously wanted more so it could field a full squadron.
As things stand, the last F-16 order is for a batch of 36 aircraft for Iraq. Deliveries have begun and are due to end in late 2017, winding up F-16 production 43 years after the type’s first flight. A batch of eight for Indonesia would extend production into 2018, but not further, unless they were built at an unusually low rate.
Among Western supersonic fighters, only the F-4 Phantom, built from 1958-81, has exceeded the F-16’s production run of more than 4,500 aircraft.
The Su-35 and F-16V would both offer limited commonality with fighters that Indonesia is already operating. The country’s air force has 16 aircraft in two earlier versions of Sukhoi’s Flanker family and 10 F-16A/Bs.
Lockheed Martin is upgrading the F-16A/Bs, modifying the radars to APG-68 (v) 9 standard and improving the mission computers and other avionics.
The company also has opportunities for F-16 orders in the Middle East, South America and elsewhere in Asia, Howard says.

Lockheed Martin: Indonesia May Order F-16s | Defense content from Aviation Week

comrade may i ask is that symbol is that rondel of the unit below your national flag???

 

[Krakatau Class]

Hot hot and getting hot

Dari kemaren juga isu2 hoax di fb sudah beredar mengenai broadcast kesiap siagaan TNI di Natuna.

Indonesia May Order F-16s, Lockheed Martin Says
View attachment 271116
BEIJING – A possible contract from Indonesia may extend F-16 manufacturing into 2018, says Lockheed Martin, as the company works on filling an Iraqi order that may be the last for the biggest-selling fighter in current production.
Although Indonesian Defense Minister Ryamizard Ryacudu said in September that the country had chosen the Sukhoi Su-35 for its next fighter order, the deal has not been signed. The F-16 remains a contender, according to Randall Howard, Lockheed Martin’s business development director for the type.
Indonesia is considering the fighter in its F-16V version, which includes the Northrop Grumman APG-83 radar, a sensor with an active, electronically scanning array.
Howard did not discuss the number of F-16s that Indonesia may order, but the minister has said the country would buy eight Su-35s. It previously wanted more so it could field a full squadron.
As things stand, the last F-16 order is for a batch of 36 aircraft for Iraq. Deliveries have begun and are due to end in late 2017, winding up F-16 production 43 years after the type’s first flight. A batch of eight for Indonesia would extend production into 2018, but not further, unless they were built at an unusually low rate.
Among Western supersonic fighters, only the F-4 Phantom, built from 1958-81, has exceeded the F-16’s production run of more than 4,500 aircraft.
The Su-35 and F-16V would both offer limited commonality with fighters that Indonesia is already operating. The country’s air force has 16 aircraft in two earlier versions of Sukhoi’s Flanker family and 10 F-16A/Bs.
Lockheed Martin is upgrading the F-16A/Bs, modifying the radars to APG-68 (v) 9 standard and improving the mission computers and other avionics.
The company also has opportunities for F-16 orders in the Middle East, South America and elsewhere in Asia, Howard says.

Something that we all realized that ASEAN members never talk about military alliance, even just for 2-3 countries scale.
Maybe with having this "common enemy" will trigger us to realize it.
The most possible is Indonesia, Vietnam and the Philippines. I don't think the Malay and SG will join the club.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

comrade may i ask is that symbol is that rondel of the unit below your national flag???

That's not our roundel. Indonesian air force roundel is pentagon.

 

[Nike]

Something that we all realized that ASEAN members never talk about military alliance, even just for 2-3 countries scale.
Maybe with having this "common enemy" will trigger us to realize it.
The most possible is Indonesia, Vietnam and the Philippines. I don't think the Malay and SG will join the club.

Sing is the one we can trusted most compared to Ph and Vietna

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Something that we all realized that ASEAN members never talk about military alliance, even just for 2-3 countries scale. Maybe with having this "common enemy" will trigger us to realize it. The most possible is Indonesia, Vietnam and the Philippines. I don't think the Malay and SG will join the club.

China doesn't have to be ASEAN common enemy. Indonesia will not demonise China, or take direct confrontational position, but instead will offer a way out through win win solution dialogue. We will talk softly and constructive, while preparing our big stick by strengthening our position in Natuna particularly.