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We are gonna sink all of them again.....it seem they are to stubborn to understand that we meant business this time......
@madoka, do you have any pic or news about the new klewang progress, i am curious about this ship
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no can do, till they are ready to publish it no pics is allowed to get out, it seem Audrey person eager to posting it again......
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100 trillion Rupiah, I dont know the number in USD, you can use Reuters website to convert the value from Rupiah into USD, actually not too far from Singapore current defense budget ( we are number two in the region in term of defense budget). Maybe a decrease from last year based on USD since our currency is sinking toward USD, but still an increase around 20 % if I am not mistaken compared to last year budget using Rupiah as a base value.
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Ready to go to Milan
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in Denyut Sabang Merauke, Jawa April 30, 2015
(Berita Daerah – Surabaya) Sejumlah taruna dan taruni gabungan AAL, Sekolah Tinggi Pelayaran, Sekolah Ringgi Ilmu Pelayaran dan SMK Pelayaran berbaris mengikuti upacara pelepasan pelayaran Kartika Jala Krida World Expo Milano 2015 menggunakan KRI Banjarmasin-592 di Dermaga Ujung Armatim, Surabaya, Jawa Timur, Selasa (28/4). Taruna dan Taruni tersebut diberangkatkan ke Milan, Italia dalam rangka mengikuti World Expo Milano 2015 yang berlangsung pada 30April hingga 22 Juli 2015.
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It seems that they will use anti flaming composite for the ship, as current news reveals that Lundin has managed to get this new material. Lighter from the steel but 10 times stronger, it seems that it is the same material which is used for Su-35. We can use the material for KFX, and thus making it 5 gen fighter as composite is a radar absorbent material.
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Indonesia and Singapore agree to pursue more cooperation in defense related matter
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Well, welcome bro, I hope this website can benefit your real life as well, at least your English skills, particularly for the writing one, can be much improved here. Other persons life experience can also become another positive thing that we can get from the website as we are not just talking about Military stuff here. Beside military, usual discussed subjects are politics and economics. In here there are some persons who are really expert on those subjects. So, I hope more university students studying those subjects come, so they can broaden their mind and improve their debating skills here.
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Indonesians in Nepal to return home: TNI Chief
Senin, 4 Mei 2015 17:11 WIB | 21 Views
General TNI Moeldoko. (ANTARA/M. Agung Rajasa)
Jakarta (ANTARA News) - The evacuation process of Indonesian citizens in Nepal after a 7.9-magnitude earthquake devastated the country is running smoothly, and they will soon return to Indonesia, according to National Defense Forces (TNI) Chief General Moeldoko.
"The joint evacuation team has brought together the Indonesian citizens who survived the earthquake in a location, and almost all the victims in Nepal have been properly accounted for," the TNI chief stated at the TNI Headquarters in Cilangkap, East Jakarta, on Monday.
Moeldoko remarked that if no obstacle is encountered, the Indonesian citizens, who have been brought together in Nepal, will be flown to their home country on Tuesday.
However, he added that the whereabouts of three to five Indonesians are still unknown, and therefore, the joint evacuation team will continue to search for them.
"About three to five Indonesians have not been found, and according to the information we have received, they stayed at a hotel before it collapsed during the earthquake," the TNI chief noted.
According to a Reuters report, the confirmed death toll from last Saturdays disaster has risen to 6,250, with 14,357 injured.
No number has been reported about the missing people, but bodies are still being pulled out from the debris of the ruined buildings, while rescue workers have not been able to reach some remote areas.
In the capital Kathmandu, many unclaimed bodies were being quickly cremated due to mounting pressure on the mortuaries. Besides the possibility of disease, the stench of the corpses was spreading through localities where the buildings had collapsed.
Several bodies could be of migrant workers from neighboring India, who were living alone in the Himalayan nation, the local officials noted.
"Morgues are full beyond their capacity, and we have been given instructions to cremate the bodies immediately after they are pulled out," stated Raman Lal, an Indian paramilitary force official working in coordination with the Nepali forces.
Aid has started to slowly reach the remote towns and villages in the mountains and foothills of the impoverished nation.
However, government officials emphasized that efforts to step up the pace of delivery were hampered due to a shortage of supply trucks and drivers as many of them had returned to their villages to help their families.
(Uu.O001/INE/KR-BSR/F001)
Indonesians in Nepal to return home: TNI Chief - ANTARA News
Senin, 4 Mei 2015 17:11 WIB | 21 Views
General TNI Moeldoko. (ANTARA/M. Agung Rajasa)
Jakarta (ANTARA News) - The evacuation process of Indonesian citizens in Nepal after a 7.9-magnitude earthquake devastated the country is running smoothly, and they will soon return to Indonesia, according to National Defense Forces (TNI) Chief General Moeldoko.
"The joint evacuation team has brought together the Indonesian citizens who survived the earthquake in a location, and almost all the victims in Nepal have been properly accounted for," the TNI chief stated at the TNI Headquarters in Cilangkap, East Jakarta, on Monday.
Moeldoko remarked that if no obstacle is encountered, the Indonesian citizens, who have been brought together in Nepal, will be flown to their home country on Tuesday.
However, he added that the whereabouts of three to five Indonesians are still unknown, and therefore, the joint evacuation team will continue to search for them.
"About three to five Indonesians have not been found, and according to the information we have received, they stayed at a hotel before it collapsed during the earthquake," the TNI chief noted.
According to a Reuters report, the confirmed death toll from last Saturdays disaster has risen to 6,250, with 14,357 injured.
No number has been reported about the missing people, but bodies are still being pulled out from the debris of the ruined buildings, while rescue workers have not been able to reach some remote areas.
In the capital Kathmandu, many unclaimed bodies were being quickly cremated due to mounting pressure on the mortuaries. Besides the possibility of disease, the stench of the corpses was spreading through localities where the buildings had collapsed.
Several bodies could be of migrant workers from neighboring India, who were living alone in the Himalayan nation, the local officials noted.
"Morgues are full beyond their capacity, and we have been given instructions to cremate the bodies immediately after they are pulled out," stated Raman Lal, an Indian paramilitary force official working in coordination with the Nepali forces.
Aid has started to slowly reach the remote towns and villages in the mountains and foothills of the impoverished nation.
However, government officials emphasized that efforts to step up the pace of delivery were hampered due to a shortage of supply trucks and drivers as many of them had returned to their villages to help their families.
(Uu.O001/INE/KR-BSR/F001)
Indonesians in Nepal to return home: TNI Chief - ANTARA News
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Australia’s moral posturing at Indonesia is misguided
Prime Minister Tony Abbott promised his government’s foreign policy would focus less on Geneva and more on Jakarta, meaning bilateral relations with key partners would be prioritized over vague and amorphous multilateralism. How ironic then that in a fit of absent-mindedness, Abbott has allowed the execution of two convicted Australian drug traffickers to damage relations with Indonesia. Australia is piqued because Indonesia has rejected attempts to impose Geneva-based human rights morality over Jakarta-sourced domestic law on tackling the scourge of drug trafficking that destroys and blights the lives of millions of impressionable innocents around the world.
The essential facts are not in dispute. The so-called Bali 9 — all Australians — were arrested in April 2005 by Indonesian police on being tipped off by Australian counterparts and convicted of trying to smuggle 8.3 kg of heroin into Australia. Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran, the ringleaders, were sentenced to death and executed 10 years later on April 29. The rest were given prison sentences. The Indonesian criminal justice system may not be as efficient or corruption-free as Australia’s, but few doubt their guilt. Fully aware of the dangers if caught, they took the risk for the sake of the big profits and have paid the ultimate price because the gamble failed.
The earthquake in Nepal is a tragedy. The deaths of two self-serving drug traffickers peddling death-dealing poison is a regrettable outcome resulting from their own criminal folly. Their near canonization is way over the top and makes one wonder if they deserve a state funeral.
The argument of repentance and redemption too is less than persuasive. It truly is impressive how many criminals see the light on being caught and convicted, with those on death row most incentivized. Maybe their remorse and repentance was genuine and not just a convenient conversion on their way to meet their maker. It is just as likely that they would still be trafficking in drugs and destroying the lives of many young Australians had they not been caught. How many times did they succeed in their drug-running and how many drug users did they kill with their product before apprehension? The one silver lining may be that other drug traffickers will be deterred from playing Russian roulette in Southeast Asia.
The pleas for clemency were undermined by the near-hysterical attacks on the integrity of the justice system, the probity of judges and the immorality of the sentence. The strong reaction makes sense only if Australians believe in the innate superiority of their moral framework to which Indonesia should kowtow.
Most “global” norms originated in the ascendancy of Western empires during the era of colonialism. Their spread to the far reaches of the globe reflected the superiority of European firepower. Australians should wake up and smell the coffee: The era of Western ascendancy is fading and there is a global moral rebalancing underway.
Of course, a human right is by definition universal, for it arises from the very fact of us being a human being and does not depend on us belonging to any particular race, religion or gender. The right to life is the most fundamental human right of all, from which flow other rights. But an abstract conception of a human right acquires content only through specific laws and institutions.
Thus every culture abhors, condemns and punishes murder. But the understanding of what constitutes murder varies from one country to another at any given time, and in any one society over centuries of time.
Many people throughout history have rejected fighting for king or country as anathema to their conscience because it involves killing strangers on the orders of their government. Few countries have legalized euthanasia. The subject of abortion arouses strong passions in the right to life and the pro-choice groups. These are all examples where many reasonable people sincerely hold strongly opposed beliefs, based in their conviction that the act concerned amounts to murder.
Capital punishment is regarded as state sanctioned murder by most Westerners, many others, and by the United Nations today, but was not always thus. Even today the U.S. departs from the Western norm. Last year it carried out 35 executions and imposed the death sentence on another 72 people. Saudi Arabia executed 90 people last year. China is generally believed to execute more people annually than the rest of the world combined.
The fact that Australia does not condemn these countries as barbaric leaves it open to charges of hypocrisy and double standards, where its self-proclaimed moral superiority is tempered by calculations of realpolitik. Similarly, as one of the tiny coalition of the willing that attacked, invaded and occupied Iraq, Australia quietly acquiesced to the execution of Saddam Hussein. And Canberra failed to protest when Jakarta executed the perpetrators of the Bali bombing in which large number of Australians were killed.
When Australian citizens are put on death row, Canberra has both a right and the duty to make representations to the host government. The line in the sand is crossed when it seeks to condemn the host government as barbaric and impose penalties of any sort. When democrats disagree on the substance of policy, they can still agree on the procedures by which to settle the dispute.
I have my views on abortion, capital punishment (I would like it abolished everywhere), pacifism, and euthanasia (aging concentrates one’s mind on this subject). I also believe nuclear deterrence to be deeply immoral because it relies on the credible threat to commit mass murder. I have the right to express my views and to try and translate them into public policy through democratic discourse and the ballot box.
I do not have the right to abuse and vilify others as immoral and barbaric if the outcome is not to my liking. I have no right to abandon civility if the outcome is different in other countries. If Australia can descend into name calling and retaliatory gestures because Indonesia carries out the death sentence on drug traffickers, should we in turn we subjected to equivalent abuse by those who hold lawful abortion to be state sanctioned murder? Or are we innately so morally superior that our views are automatically correct and others are savages whose voice and opinions can be summarily disrespected?
It is wrong to take offense because Indonesia has rejected claims to Australian exceptionalism. All countries should show a reciprocal respect for one another’s laws. Foreign Minister Julie Bishop has been measured, discreet and economical in her representations to Jakarta and in expressions of disquiet and regret. Others should take heed.
Ramesh Thakur is a professor in the Crawford School of Public Policy, Australian National University
Australia's moral posturing at Indonesia is misguided | The Japan Times
Prime Minister Tony Abbott promised his government’s foreign policy would focus less on Geneva and more on Jakarta, meaning bilateral relations with key partners would be prioritized over vague and amorphous multilateralism. How ironic then that in a fit of absent-mindedness, Abbott has allowed the execution of two convicted Australian drug traffickers to damage relations with Indonesia. Australia is piqued because Indonesia has rejected attempts to impose Geneva-based human rights morality over Jakarta-sourced domestic law on tackling the scourge of drug trafficking that destroys and blights the lives of millions of impressionable innocents around the world.
The essential facts are not in dispute. The so-called Bali 9 — all Australians — were arrested in April 2005 by Indonesian police on being tipped off by Australian counterparts and convicted of trying to smuggle 8.3 kg of heroin into Australia. Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran, the ringleaders, were sentenced to death and executed 10 years later on April 29. The rest were given prison sentences. The Indonesian criminal justice system may not be as efficient or corruption-free as Australia’s, but few doubt their guilt. Fully aware of the dangers if caught, they took the risk for the sake of the big profits and have paid the ultimate price because the gamble failed.
The earthquake in Nepal is a tragedy. The deaths of two self-serving drug traffickers peddling death-dealing poison is a regrettable outcome resulting from their own criminal folly. Their near canonization is way over the top and makes one wonder if they deserve a state funeral.
The argument of repentance and redemption too is less than persuasive. It truly is impressive how many criminals see the light on being caught and convicted, with those on death row most incentivized. Maybe their remorse and repentance was genuine and not just a convenient conversion on their way to meet their maker. It is just as likely that they would still be trafficking in drugs and destroying the lives of many young Australians had they not been caught. How many times did they succeed in their drug-running and how many drug users did they kill with their product before apprehension? The one silver lining may be that other drug traffickers will be deterred from playing Russian roulette in Southeast Asia.
The pleas for clemency were undermined by the near-hysterical attacks on the integrity of the justice system, the probity of judges and the immorality of the sentence. The strong reaction makes sense only if Australians believe in the innate superiority of their moral framework to which Indonesia should kowtow.
Most “global” norms originated in the ascendancy of Western empires during the era of colonialism. Their spread to the far reaches of the globe reflected the superiority of European firepower. Australians should wake up and smell the coffee: The era of Western ascendancy is fading and there is a global moral rebalancing underway.
Of course, a human right is by definition universal, for it arises from the very fact of us being a human being and does not depend on us belonging to any particular race, religion or gender. The right to life is the most fundamental human right of all, from which flow other rights. But an abstract conception of a human right acquires content only through specific laws and institutions.
Thus every culture abhors, condemns and punishes murder. But the understanding of what constitutes murder varies from one country to another at any given time, and in any one society over centuries of time.
Many people throughout history have rejected fighting for king or country as anathema to their conscience because it involves killing strangers on the orders of their government. Few countries have legalized euthanasia. The subject of abortion arouses strong passions in the right to life and the pro-choice groups. These are all examples where many reasonable people sincerely hold strongly opposed beliefs, based in their conviction that the act concerned amounts to murder.
Capital punishment is regarded as state sanctioned murder by most Westerners, many others, and by the United Nations today, but was not always thus. Even today the U.S. departs from the Western norm. Last year it carried out 35 executions and imposed the death sentence on another 72 people. Saudi Arabia executed 90 people last year. China is generally believed to execute more people annually than the rest of the world combined.
The fact that Australia does not condemn these countries as barbaric leaves it open to charges of hypocrisy and double standards, where its self-proclaimed moral superiority is tempered by calculations of realpolitik. Similarly, as one of the tiny coalition of the willing that attacked, invaded and occupied Iraq, Australia quietly acquiesced to the execution of Saddam Hussein. And Canberra failed to protest when Jakarta executed the perpetrators of the Bali bombing in which large number of Australians were killed.
When Australian citizens are put on death row, Canberra has both a right and the duty to make representations to the host government. The line in the sand is crossed when it seeks to condemn the host government as barbaric and impose penalties of any sort. When democrats disagree on the substance of policy, they can still agree on the procedures by which to settle the dispute.
I have my views on abortion, capital punishment (I would like it abolished everywhere), pacifism, and euthanasia (aging concentrates one’s mind on this subject). I also believe nuclear deterrence to be deeply immoral because it relies on the credible threat to commit mass murder. I have the right to express my views and to try and translate them into public policy through democratic discourse and the ballot box.
I do not have the right to abuse and vilify others as immoral and barbaric if the outcome is not to my liking. I have no right to abandon civility if the outcome is different in other countries. If Australia can descend into name calling and retaliatory gestures because Indonesia carries out the death sentence on drug traffickers, should we in turn we subjected to equivalent abuse by those who hold lawful abortion to be state sanctioned murder? Or are we innately so morally superior that our views are automatically correct and others are savages whose voice and opinions can be summarily disrespected?
It is wrong to take offense because Indonesia has rejected claims to Australian exceptionalism. All countries should show a reciprocal respect for one another’s laws. Foreign Minister Julie Bishop has been measured, discreet and economical in her representations to Jakarta and in expressions of disquiet and regret. Others should take heed.
Ramesh Thakur is a professor in the Crawford School of Public Policy, Australian National University
Australia's moral posturing at Indonesia is misguided | The Japan Times
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