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[Inoyasha2]

Malaysia-Indonesia Joint Military Exercise
To Be Held Once Every Three Years


MEDAN, (Indonesia), June 7 (Bernama) -- Latgabma Malindo Darsasa, the joint military exercise between the Malaysian and Indonesian armed forces, will now be held once every three years instead of four years.

Malaysian Armed Forces (ATM) chief Gen Tan Sri Zulkifeli Mohd Zin said regional security issues including terrorism would be dealt with more effectively if the joint training and cooperation between the Malaysian Armed Forces (ATM) and the Indonesian National Army (TNI) were conducted regularly.

He said the decision was agreed by the two nations after taking into account its importance to dispel the threats including terrorism and cross-border criminal activities.

Aside from strengthening ties between the two countries, the excercise, if conducted more often would lead to consistency as a team to overcome differences in methods used by both forces, he said at the opening ceremony of the 8th series of the exercise at the Airport Lanud Suwando, Bandara Polonia, Medan, North Sumatera, here Friday.

At the ceremony which was also attended by TNI chief Admiral Agus Suhartono, Zulkifeli said the eighth joint exercise was a good start to the implementation of the exercise every three years.

Indonesia is the host for the exercise that involves special teams (Special Forces Group, Air and Navy Special Forces) from all three services of the two nation's forces. The exercise which started on June 3 ends on June 12.

A total of 1,468 participants are involved in the exercise comprised 293 personnel from ATM and three Royal Malaysia Police officers who are accompanied by two war team dogs while 1,185 personnel are from various teams in TNI.

The exercise with the theme "Combined Joint Task Force-Counter Terrorists", is conducted together with other teams and agencies to execute coalition operations in order to tackle terrorist attacks that impact both countries.

Among the types of field exercises that will be carried out are terrorist attacks on buildings, ships and aircraft as a strategy to tackle terrorism that is capable of disrupting security and stability of the Malaysia-Indonesia region.

The exercise will be carried out in the region which according to intelligence estimates, most potential terrorist attacks are likely to be hijacking of Malaysian merchant ships in he Strait of Melaka, the world's most important sea route, hijacking of Malaysian aircraft crossing into Indonesian territory and abduction of Malaysian officials serving at the Malaysian embassy in Jakarta.

The exercise, which began in 1984, is a continous bilateral military cooperation programme between the two countries.




taken from BERNAMA

 

[Zarvan]

Indonesian military plans to spend $16.7 billion through 2015 | Asia Pacific Defense Forum in English

Indonesia would spend 16.7 billion dollars on its armed forces mainly navy and air force plans include 64 Sukhoi and 24 f-16 and six submarine this money would be spent by 2015 @nufix your comments needed

 

[Nike]

Indonesian military plans to spend $16.7 billion through 2015 | Asia Pacific Defense Forum in English

Indonesia would spend 16.7 billion dollars on its armed forces mainly navy and air force plans include 64 Sukhoi and 24 f-16 and six submarine this money would be spent by 2015 @nufix your comments needed

Who is Michael Johnson? And 64 Sukhoi? I think we consider to add 1 more Skuadron of Flanker, and the Air Forces is in process to find new bases for this new skuadron, but for 4 more skuadron i don't know. And for F 16 i think our country decision maker still considering US gov. proposal to add more F 16 grants (up to 16 more F 16/1 more skuadron) besides of the already signed 24 F 16 grants.

 

[Zarvan]

Who is Michael Johnson? And 64 Sukhoi? I think we consider to add 1 more Skuadron of Flanker, and the Air Forces is in process to find new bases for this new skuadron, but for 4 more skuadron i don't know. And for F 16 i think our country decision maker still considering US gov. proposal to add more F 16 grants (up to 16 more F 16/1 more skuadron) besides of the already signed 24 F 16 grants.

Indonesia should at least have 250 4.5 generation fighters and if Indonesia is planning to have 64 sukhoi and 24 f-16 than that is a good start but not enough and they should have or should build air bases for these planes you need more fighter jets and air bases a lot more @nufix your response is needed for this and previous post

 

[Inoyasha2]

Indonesia would spend 16.7 billion dollars on its armed forces mainly navy and air force plans include 64 Sukhoi and 24 f-16 and six submarine this money would be spent by 2015 @nufix your comments needed

The High level comittee which lead by vice minister of defence explained until the end of 2014:

TNI-AU (Indonesian air force) will add 17 squadrons which will be consist of 64 sukhoi fighter jets, 32 F16 fighter jets, 36 Hawk 100/200 fighter jets, 12 F5E fighter jets, 16 Super tucano, 16 Yak fighter, 36 drones, and 64 Hercules.

TNI-AL (Indonesia navy) will expand into 3 armada : Western armada which will have HQ in Tanjung Pinang, Natuna and Belawan. Central armada which have the HQ in Surabaya, Makasar and Tarakan. Eastern Armada will be placed the HQ in Ambon, Merauke and Kupang. The number of navy soldiers will also be increased into 60.000. They will be supported by 350 BMP 4F tanks, 17 amphibious tanks, 320 steel-armoured vehicles, 800 QW3 missiles, 40 RM Grads, 75 Howitzers. Additional inventory of 32 frigates, 56 corvettes, 82 missil-equipped fastpatrol boats, 6 submarines, and 48 logistic& transportasion ships.

TNI-AD (Indonesia army) will be expanded into 180.000 soldiers, 3 strategic comando divisions, 150 attack batalyon squads, 200 tanks will be spread into kalimantan and NTB, 540 steel-armoured vehicles for mechanic infantery made by PINDAD. 320 canon equipped vehicles, 890 howitzer artilery and canon, 720 NDL missiles, 20 MI35 helicopters, 26 MI17 transport helicopters, 1300 anti-tank missiles, 60 anti-air missiles, and 700 strategic missiles made by PINDAD-LAPAN.

 

[Zarvan]

The High level comittee which lead by vice minister of defence explained until the end of 2014:

TNI-AU (Indonesian air force) will add 17 squadrons which will be consist of 64 sukhoi fighter jets, 32 F16 fighter jets, 36 Hawk 100/200 fighter jets, 12 F5E fighter jets, 16 Super tucano, 16 Yak fighter, 36 drones, and 64 Hercules.

TNI-AL (Indonesia navy) will expand into 3 armada : Western armada which will have HQ in Tanjung Pinang, Natuna and Belawan. Central armada which have the HQ in Surabaya, Makasar and Tarakan. Eastern Armada will be placed the HQ in Ambon, Merauke and Kupang. The number of navy soldiers will also be increased into 60.000. They will be supported by 350 BMP 4F tanks, 17 amphibious tanks, 320 steel-armoured vehicles, 800 QW3 missiles, 40 RM Grads, 75 Howitzers. Additional inventory of 32 frigates, 56 corvettes, 82 missil-equipped fastpatrol boats, 6 submarines, and 48 logistic& transportasion ships.

TNI-AD (Indonesia army) will be expanded into 180.000 soldiers, 3 strategic comando divisions, 150 attack batalyon squads, 200 tanks will be spread into kalimantan and NTB, 540 steel-armoured vehicles for mechanic infantery made by PINDAD. 320 canon equipped vehicles, 890 howitzer artilery and canon, 720 NDL missiles, 20 MI35 helicopters, 26 MI17 transport helicopters, 1300 anti-tank missiles, 60 anti-air missiles, and 700 strategic missiles made by PINDAD-LAPAN.

What are you trying to tell here these thing are already in that article which I have posted I want to know about the progress and when these things if not yet would be ordered

 

[nufix]

What are you trying to tell here these thing are already in that article which I have posted I want to know about the progress and when these things if not yet would be ordered

The progress are still being worked by the Indonesian military.

This year, the F16 and additional Sukhois are coming to Indonesia. Makassar airport, which is now currently a base for Su-27/Su-30 squadron will be expanded so the Air Force will have a specialized air force base in eastern hemisphere of Indonesia. Additional bases will be built following the completion of some forward naval bases in border islands.

Nipah forward military bases.

The navy is also expanding its power by adding the third naval fleet following the new ships that are coming to Indonesia starting next year. But it is still unclear whether the third fleet will be as strong as the second fleet or first fleet because the area that is going to be protected is smaller.

The progress is good, but the main focus of this spending of 16.7 billion dollars is still for national security as there is no plan for deployment neither expansion outside Indo's territory.

 

[Zarvan]

sir how many sukhois have been ordered and when they will reach Indonesia and also f-16 @nufix

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

sir how many sukhois have been ordered and when they will reach Indonesia and also f-16 @nufix

6 Sukhoi has been ordered with the last 2 to be delivered this month & for the F-16s. We just gotta wait till they finished with the retrofit.

Two more Sukhoi fighter jets arrive
The Jakarta Post, Makassar | Archipelago | Fri, May 17 2013, 7:32 AM

Sukhoi fighter jet manufacturer Komsomolsk-na Amure Aircraft Production Association (KnAAPO) delivered on Thursday evening two additional Su-30 MK2 fighter jets to the Sultan Hasanuddin Air Force Base in South Sulawesi.

The shipment was part of six fighter jets ordered by Indonesia, base chief spokesman Maj. Mulyadi said.

"We have so far received four of the six fighter jets on order. The final two will be delivered in June," he said.

Just like the first batch of two double-seater Su-30 MK2s, which arrived in February, Thursday's shipment was also in a disassembled condition. Russian technicians will assemble the aircraft before handing them over to Indonesia.

The fighter jets will be operated by the 11th Squadron, which now has six single-seater Su-27 SKMs and eight Su-30 MK2s.

As with previous shipments, these planes were not armed, Mulyadi said, adding the weaponry would be bought under a separate contract.

Two more Sukhoi fighter jets arrive | The Jakarta Post

8 Of The F-16 Grants Will Come In 2014

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...ary-news-discussion-thread.html#ixzz2VgTAgLYu

Here's some other news about our other procurement. Hope you're satisfied.

KFX remains paper jet fighter
Anton Aliabbas, Jakarta | Opinion | Sun, June 09 2013, 8:47 AM

Indonesia’s dream of operating a fleet of sophisticated jet fighters it helps build will not come true anytime soon. Under the new administration, South Korea has postponed the joint project to develop KFX/IFX jet fighters.

The project was initiated on March 9, 2009, after the governments of Indonesia and South Korea signed a letter of intent. At least US$5 billion was to be spent over 10 years on this project. Indonesia was to cover only 20 percent of the cost, while the rest was to be paid by South Korea. Although only contributing 20 percent of the cost, Indonesia is committed to being involved in any single process including technology development phase (TDP), engineering and manufacturing development phase, joint production and marketing.

After three years into the TDP, engineers from the two countries produced a KFX-IFX design. According to the Indonesian Defense Ministry, the government spent at least $2.7 million in 2011 and $7.3 million in 2012.

But a House of Representatives lawmaker from Commission I overseeing defense, Tubagus Hasanuddin, presented different data, revealing that Indonesia disbursed about Rp 1.6 trillion ($164.8 million) on the project (The Jakarta Post, May 16).

The postponement came after the Defense Ministry received a letter from South Korea’s Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA), stating that the engineering and manufacturing development phase should be indefinitely postponed as the new government of South Korea had to wait for the parliament’s consent.

Indeed, since the beginning, the KFX/IFX project has been quite problematic. Several times some members of House’s defense commission questioned the feasibility of this project. They claim the government of President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has never discussed the KFX/IFX project with the House. Despite the House’s criticism, the joint project went ahead.

The project actually sent a clear message that the government preferred developing the KFX aircraft to buying US-made F-16 or any other sophisticated jet fighters. It cannot be denied that Indonesia needs something to be proud of now that the country is grappling with rampant corruption and horse-trading among politicians.

At least two implications may arise after the joint project was rescheduled. First, who will take responsibility for the $10 million the government has spent if the project is permanently discontinued?

Will it be the South Korea administration, Yudhoyono, the defense minister or who? Of course, the amount is not small as it could cover the purchase of 14 2A4 Leopard tanks from Germany, which costs $700,000 each.

Second is the matter of credibility. Indonesia has considered purchasing military vehicles from South Korea, such as three submarines and T-50 trainer jets. The deferral of the KFX project, of course, has impaired the credibility of South Korea as an emerging military equipment manufacturer.

Will other contracts be suspended or unilaterally canceled? What will the South Korea government do to ensure that there is no postponement or cancelation of arms sales? Or, is there any guarantee that the KFX project will remain on track after the temporary suspension?

There are at least two steps that Yudhoyono can take in response to the delay. First, the government should evaluate the KFX/IFX project documents to determine whether the postponement was anticipated before the project agreement was signed, and whether there is a clause allowing the South Korea administration to decide at will to postpone the agreement and which party should bear the responsibility if the project is permanently terminated.

Second, the President could reconsider all military purchasing plans involving South Korean products. The unilateral postponement of the jet fighter project of course has disrupted Indonesia’s bid to develop a sophisticated combat plane.

Reviewing the plan to purchase South Korean military equipment such as T-50 jets and submarines, and exercising an option to upgrade Hawk trainer jets and procure submarines from Russia would be understandable and justifiable.

In an effort to achieve a minimum essential force, the Indonesian Military is taking military capability development seriously, either through imports or the purchase of national defense industry products. But it is time for Indonesia to demonstrate dignity and send a clear message to arms producers. After all, the KFX/IFX remains a paper jet.

The writer is program director of the Ridep Institute and associate faculty member of Binus International, Bina Nusantara University, Jakarta.

KFX remains paper jet fighter | The Jakarta Post

 

[Zarvan]

6 Sukhoi has been ordered with the last 2 to be delivered this month & for the F-16s. We just gotta wait till they finished with the retrofit.




Here's some other news about our other procurement. Hope you're satisfied.

Indonesia is making really big mistake be depending on kfx project and not ordering more sukhois and other fighter jets Indonesia should immediately order at least 70 more sukhoi 30 and other fighter jets so they can have a really strong military

 

[Soryu]

Well, I think Indonesia has a little rush on their own military-defense industry, just like South Korea, it's likely they advanced so fast, so when the error was occured, it'll be problems or big problems ...

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Indonesia is making really big mistake be depending on kfx project and not ordering more sukhois and other fighter jets Indonesia should immediately order at least 70 more sukhoi 30 and other fighter jets so they can have a really strong military

Remember the IAI Lavi?

IAI Lavi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The story with Lavi is that even though the Israeli Air Force never got the plane they got the technical experience on how to build a plane. Also note that Indonesia send research team to help with the K-FX program, even in the worst case scenario, if we don't get the plane we still got the technical know-how in the end & we could maintain our own plane like the Israeli with the F-16.

Not to worry we don't put all our eggs in one basket. Even if the K-FX fails we still have more plan to buy plane from other factory (sukhois or whatever) especially the new 5th gen PAK-FA:

Indonesia (6-12 units in the years 2028-2032)

Taken from: Russia to export 600 Sukhoi PAK FA fifth generation jets - English pravda.ru

Or Indonesia can also buy the F-35

Indonesia is a possible market for the F-35 (the article is in Indonesia)

 

[Zarvan]

List of active Indonesian Navy ships - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia @nufix I am fed up of no progress for Indonesian air force but I have questions for Indonesian navy and I want answer for all those questions 1 the frigates which you brought from Netherlands and also corvettes have they gone under up gradation if yes than please tell the details off those up gradation and also tell detail off the patrol crafts and missile boats Indonesian navy uses please reply me soon @Reashot Xigwin

 

[Zarvan]

Remember the IAI Lavi?

IAI Lavi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The story with Lavi is that even though the Israeli Air Force never got the plane they got the technical experience on how to build a plane. Also note that Indonesia send research team to help with the K-FX program, even in the worst case scenario, if we don't get the plane we still got the technical know-how in the end & we could maintain our own plane like the Israeli with the F-16.

Not to worry we don't put all our eggs in one basket. Even if the K-FX fails we still have more plan to buy plane from other factory (sukhois or whatever) especially the new 5th gen PAK-FA:

Taken from: Russia to export 600 Sukhoi PAK FA fifth generation jets - English pravda.ru

Or Indonesia can also buy the F-35

Indonesia is a possible market for the F-35 (the article is in Indonesia)

sir when Israel started this project they already had most advanced planes and around 400 off those not they were waiting for this plane to come so they can induct them

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

sir when Israel started this project they already had most advanced planes and around 400 off those not they were waiting for this plane to come so they can induct them

Think long term. If your plane "broke" most country will send it to other country to fix it. If in the future our plane "broke" we can fix it or maybe even upgrade it our self. We can save A$$ load of money in the progress or again in the future we maybe decide to build our own plane.That's a bigger return of investment than a couple of planes.

We are operating under the new MEF doctrine (Minimum Essential Forces). To someone who don't know about it we maybe seen as "weakening our armed forces" which is probably true, but remember Indonesia is the dominant power in South East Asia. Even the notion alone terrify our neighbors. For example the reason we don't buy weapons in bulk is that we will receive a "complaint" from our neighbors about the purchases. This is necessary to maintain the region equilibrium. We don't want to end up like India or Israel.