Indonesia Defence Forum

[Chestnut]

MBDA0 atau mungkin juga kasel tapi rada ga yakin juga kasel

Is the AL even considering the Scorpene seriously if they take Malaysia's Scorpene into account?

 

[Gundala]

Pilih mana kira kira growler atau super eagle...?
Kalau saya personaly more to growler

Personally? Regardless the budget? I will go to Super Eagle hands down
Reality? Idk man, too many variables to count into such as are we going to continue the KFX? Are we really getting the CAATSA waiver?

If KFX is going to continue then Hornet isnt a good choice. If we still proceed with SU-35 due to waiver and continue with KFX then F16V is the wise choice.

If no KFX then this is going to be interesting thing to see as it will free up substantial amount of current and future budget constrain. This is where Rafale/Strike Eagle/Hornet can be count in. In this scenario maybe F16V is less likely to be choosen.

Now the ball is in Kemenhan court, its going to be hard as it will also implicate politics both domestic and international.

 

[umigami]

From CNN news
Sebagai gantinya, kata Luthfi, Amerika Serikat akan menawarkan beberapa seri F-16 kepada Indonesia dalam waktu dekat

"F-16 kita ini versi AB ini tua sekali kalau nggak salah tahun 90-an. Nah ini mesti diperbaiki untuk sekarang kita lagi meremajakan untuk menjadi CD yang mereka tawarkan kepada kita itu F-16 block 32," imbuhnya.
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Don't say to me that the one they offer is used block 32 and no new Viper block 72 at all?!
But on the other hand "offering AMARG F16 to be upgraded to block 52" definitely NOT "terobosan yang belum pernah kita lihat sebelumnya", so I hope not...

Ini nih yg gw benci dari media indonesia, pengutipannya acak-acakan, bisa diinterpretasikan beda-beda, yg nulis gak bener2 ngerti apa yg dia tulis!!

 

[Gundala]

P-8 Poseidon MPA future competitor from Europe? At least by the time it comes out we would have alternative if we havent got one already.

Studies On French-German Next Gen MPA To Start This Month

 

[Chestnut]

P-8 Poseidon MPA future competitor from Europe? At least by the time it comes out we would have alternative if we havent got one already.

Studies On French-German Next Gen MPA To Start This Month

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Unfortunately this isn't going to come out at a time where the AL/AU needs the longer ranged MPA's. As of now we are pretty much stuck on Boeing's P-8, EADS's C-295MPA, or SAAB's Swordfish.

From CNN news
Sebagai gantinya, kata Luthfi, Amerika Serikat akan menawarkan beberapa seri F-16 kepada Indonesia dalam waktu dekat

"F-16 kita ini versi AB ini tua sekali kalau nggak salah tahun 90-an. Nah ini mesti diperbaiki untuk sekarang kita lagi meremajakan untuk menjadi CD yang mereka tawarkan kepada kita itu F-16 block 32," imbuhnya.
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Don't say to me that the one they offer is used block 32 and no new Viper block 72 at all?!
But on the other hand "offering AMARG F16 to be upgraded to block 52" definitely NOT "terobosan yang belum pernah kita lihat sebelumnya", so I hope not...

Ini nih yg gw benci dari media indonesia, pengutipannya acak-acakan, bisa diinterpretasikan beda-beda, yg nulis gak bener2 ngerti apa yg dia tulis!!

I'm fairly sure they're offering that as either a counter offer if MenHan can't afford new built V's or as a bonus if we pick the V. It makes no sense for Lockheed Martin not to offer up the V's.

FYI guys the Strike Eagle and the newer Vipers can also conduct self-protection jamming to itself and friendly aircraft (they can be equipped with additional equipment that are found on the USAF's F-16CJ/DJ, the RSAF's F-15SG, and the ROKAF's F-15K), it's just that it is very limited and basic when you compare it to the Growler.

 

[umigami]

My version

Indonesia: "minta F-35"
US: "Ga boleh"
US: "bolehnya ini" *nawarin F-16V*
Indonesia: "bapaknya ga mau"
US: "ywdah F-15EX atau F/A-18 Block III"
Indonesia: "budgetnya ga cukup"
US: "Ok, yg bekas aja ya tapi di upgrade"
Indonesia: "ga boleh beli bekas sama pakde"
US:

US: Pak presiden, menhan lu tuh aja sempat sempatnya mikirin tipun bekas! Padahal yg punya, nawarin aja kagak!!

P-8 Poseidon MPA future competitor from Europe? At least by the time it comes out we would have alternative if we havent got one already.

Studies On French-German Next Gen MPA To Start This Month

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A study huh... how many years we have to wait until it available on market!!

 

[Fl0gger]

Personally? Regardless the budget? I will go to Super Eagle hands down
Reality? Idk man, too many variables to count into such as are we going to continue the KFX? Are we really getting the CAATSA waiver?

If KFX is going to continue then Hornet isnt a good choice. If we still proceed with SU-35 due to waiver and continue with KFX then F16V is the wise choice.

If no KFX then this is going to be interesting thing to see as it will free up substantial amount of current and future budget constrain. This is where Rafale/Strike Eagle/Hornet can be count in. In this scenario maybe F16V is less likely to be choosen.

Now the ball is in Kemenhan court, its going to be hard as it will also implicate politics both domestic and international.

F.16 V kemungkinan besar jadi ,yg ngeri itu kl growlerski duet P8, jd bayangan saya kedepan f.16 V / C / D, f.18 ,flanker ,kfx ,di tambah p8 ,kc.46 terus awacs nya "palkon" lol yang made in "india" piye perasaan mu lek sampe keturutan tur nge link kabeh plus link scytalis online tri matra, jadi punya kemampuan c4isr + EW ready mantab toh iso melu dulinan jaming jamingan lol, well to good to be truth...? Belive it or not that the plan, at least our plan is , so let hope for the best shall we

 

[Raduga]

there's a few interesting thing answered by asops KASAL here.

especially in the 1:35:45 timestamp

 

[trishna_amṛta]

Is the AL even considering the Scorpene seriously if they take Malaysia's Scorpene into account?

Exactly! its pretty doubtful with Scorpene. In most likely case we only getting more MBDA & Nexter products

Ini nih yg gw benci dari media indonesia, pengutipannya acak-acakan, bisa diinterpretasikan beda-beda, yg nulis gak bener2 ngerti apa yg dia tulis!!

That what i've said before that journalist in general isn't exactly the brightest the nation could offer. Although one of them is currently holding a rather big knive in my kitchen while she is giving me a rather inquisitive look

F.16 V kemungkinan besar jadi ,yg ngeri itu kl growlerski duet P8, jd bayangan saya kedepan f.16 V / C / D, f.18 ,flanker ,kfx ,di tambah p8 ,kc.46 terus awacs nya "palkon" lol yang made in "india" piye perasaan mu lek sampe keturutan tur nge link kabeh plus link scytalis online tri matra, jadi punya kemampuan c4isr + EW ready mantab toh iso melu dulinan jaming jamingan lol, well to good to be truth...? Belive it or not that the plan, at least our plan is , so let hope for the best shall we

Kalau Viper (block 70) sich yakin lach pasti datang walaupun ga jelas brapa jumlahnya tapi kalau Pegasus ga yakin dech karna masih banyak masalahnya. Sedangkan kalau Poseidon memang paltform yg relatif sudah cukup mature jadi kemungkinan diambil, lagian kita juga butuh sekali. Sedangkan kalau KF-X kok tangkapan saya sepertinya sudah mendedkati bail out yach
Just checking US election count. So far its look like potential Biden win. I kinda have bad feeling with Biden win in regard to Indonesia procurement and regional situation.

 

[umigami]

AS tak kabulkan F-35, malah tawarkan F-16 lawas

Buntut dari penolakan tersebut, dikabarkan AS malah menawarkan F-16C/D Fighting Falcon Block 32 untuk Indonesia. Padahal kita ketahui, seri tersebut merupakan seri lama yang sudah tidak diproduksi lagi. Block 32 merupakan varian F-16C/D yang diproduksi tahun 1986 dan berhenti diproduksi tahun 1989 untuk selanjutnya digantikan dengan Block 42.

Tawaran F-16 Block 32 (yang kemungkinan besar diambil dari stok eks USAF/AU Amerika Serikat) menyiratkan AS juga berat hati melepas F-16V Block 70/72 yang merupakan varian tercanggih F-16 yang masih diproduksi saat ini. Tak jelas apakah itu menandakan AS sebenarnya masih enggan melepas radar berteknologi AESA (active electronically-scanned array) ke Indonesia.

F-16 Block 32 sendiri memang bisa ditingkatkan kemampuan tempurnya (upgrade), bahkan sampai setara F-16V dengan penggantian radar dari APG-68 menjadi APG-83 berteknologi AESA. Usia strukturalnya pun masih bisa diperpanjang meski tentunya tak sepanjang F-16 baru. Namun seperti disebutkan tadi, ada tersirat keengganan AS melepas radar berteknologi AESA ke Indonesia.

Any tanggapan??

 

[NEKONEKO]

menyiratkan AS juga berat hati melepas F-16V Block 70/72 yang merupakan varian tercanggih F-16 yang masih diproduksi saat ini

I doubt that.

F-16 Indonesia

TO DATE, 4,588 F-16S HAVE BEEN PRODUCED FOR 28 CUSTOMERS. THE F-16 CONTINUES TO EVOLVE TO STAY AHEAD OF EMERGING THREATS BY INCORPORATING COMBAT LESSONS-LEARNED AND CAPABILITIES DEVELOPED ON LOCKHEED MARTIN’S F-22 AND F-35.

www.lockheedmartin.com

I think the old variant of F16 offer is because of the limited money that we have.

 

[Chestnut]

Tawaran F-16 Block 32 (yang kemungkinan besar diambil dari stok eks USAF/AU Amerika Serikat) menyiratkan AS juga berat hati melepas F-16V Block 70/72 yang merupakan varian tercanggih F-16 yang masih diproduksi saat ini. Tak jelas apakah itu menandakan AS sebenarnya masih enggan melepas radar berteknologi AESA (active electronically-scanned array) ke Indonesia.

Fairly sure this is just the journalist's take on the offer. The actual reason is likely cost that the government does not want to pay. Which is ever more mind-boggling considering Prabowo wants to potentially go with the Rafale, which is going to be MORE expensive to buy, integrate, and operate.

 

[trishna_amṛta]

Namun seperti disebutkan tadi, ada tersirat keengganan AS melepas radar berteknologi AESA ke Indonesia.

Any tanggapan??

Gimana ga enggan, lah kita bayar nya pakai uang Yen (Yen Onok Duwit'e) Negara manapun pasti enggan

 

[Jatosint]

AS tak kabulkan F-35, malah tawarkan F-16 lawas

Buntut dari penolakan tersebut, dikabarkan AS malah menawarkan F-16C/D Fighting Falcon Block 32 untuk Indonesia. Padahal kita ketahui, seri tersebut merupakan seri lama yang sudah tidak diproduksi lagi. Block 32 merupakan varian F-16C/D yang diproduksi tahun 1986 dan berhenti diproduksi tahun 1989 untuk selanjutnya digantikan dengan Block 42.

Tawaran F-16 Block 32 (yang kemungkinan besar diambil dari stok eks USAF/AU Amerika Serikat) menyiratkan AS juga berat hati melepas F-16V Block 70/72 yang merupakan varian tercanggih F-16 yang masih diproduksi saat ini. Tak jelas apakah itu menandakan AS sebenarnya masih enggan melepas radar berteknologi AESA (active electronically-scanned array) ke Indonesia.

F-16 Block 32 sendiri memang bisa ditingkatkan kemampuan tempurnya (upgrade), bahkan sampai setara F-16V dengan penggantian radar dari APG-68 menjadi APG-83 berteknologi AESA. Usia strukturalnya pun masih bisa diperpanjang meski tentunya tak sepanjang F-16 baru. Namun seperti disebutkan tadi, ada tersirat keengganan AS melepas radar berteknologi AESA ke Indonesia.

Any tanggapan??

Is this article cited CNN's article?

 

[umigami]

Is this article cited CNN's article?

Looks like that's the case.