Indonesia Defence Forum

[Raduga]

Some peoplws said PS is french lover. Also more like DCNS subs than CBG...

well the DCNS with their scorpene proven themselves in brazilian nuclear submarine transfer of technology .

"The Brazilian submarine Álvaro Alberto is a nuclear-powered attack submarine (SSN) under construction for the Brazilian Navy, by the Itaguaí Construções Navais (ICN). The construction is part of the strategic partnership signed between France and Brazil in 2008, which also included the total transfer of technology and support for the construction of four enlarged conventionally-powered Scorpène-class submarines."

"The Brazilian Navy modernization program plans the development and construction of six nuclear attack submarines, as part of the national defense strategy that says that any effort to build or acquire nuclear submarines will be to develop strategic deterrence capability against "any hostile force" to the national land or sea territory.

Brazil says that its future nuclear powered submarines capacity will serve as a "peaceful deterrent" and not "a weapon of war". The country adopts the policy of "no first use", also understands that with its future fleet, at least some of its weapons will be able to survive the first strike (nuclear or non-nuclear) of an enemy and prevent further attempts at aggression.

Another main reason is the defense of the so-called Blue Amazon (Portuguese: A Amazônia Azul), a resource-rich area covering about 4.5 million square kilometers off the Brazilian coast. This area is the country's exclusive economic zone, home to a huge diversity of marine species, valuable metallic minerals and other mineral resources, petroleum, and the world's second largest rare-earth reserve."
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we'd probably have our own version of BLUE AMAZON , our coastline is rich in natural resources and even more enormous in term of size compared to brazil (almost 15 times the size), no need for arguement that we need to implement nuclear powered sub as detterent in the future , even brazilian navy are more or less same compared to us in term of their naval equipment .

 

[Nike]

well the DCNS with their scorpene proven themselves in brazilian nuclear submarine transfer of technology .

"The Brazilian submarine Álvaro Alberto is a nuclear-powered attack submarine (SSN) under construction for the Brazilian Navy, by the Itaguaí Construções Navais (ICN). The construction is part of the strategic partnership signed between France and Brazil in 2008, which also included the total transfer of technology and support for the construction of four enlarged conventionally-powered Scorpène-class submarines."

"The Brazilian Navy modernization program plans the development and construction of six nuclear attack submarines, as part of the national defense strategy that says that any effort to build or acquire nuclear submarines will be to develop strategic deterrence capability against "any hostile force" to the national land or sea territory.

Brazil says that its future nuclear powered submarines capacity will serve as a "peaceful deterrent" and not "a weapon of war". The country adopts the policy of "no first use", also understands that with its future fleet, at least some of its weapons will be able to survive the first strike (nuclear or non-nuclear) of an enemy and prevent further attempts at aggression.

Another main reason is the defense of the so-called Blue Amazon (Portuguese: A Amazônia Azul), a resource-rich area covering about 4.5 million square kilometers off the Brazilian coast. This area is the country's exclusive economic zone, home to a huge diversity of marine species, valuable metallic minerals and other mineral resources, petroleum, and the world's second largest rare-earth reserve."
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we'd probably have our own version of BLUE AMAZON , our coastline is rich in natural resources and even more enormous in term of size compared to brazil (almost 15 times the size), no need for arguement that we need to implement nuclear powered sub as detterent in the future , even brazilian navy are more or less same compared to us in term of their naval equipment .

though i am more for surface fleets posturing first compared to use Submarine power as deterrence, but to have Nuclear powered submarine i think it is a good idea for a country like Indonesia, at least we have something to be used even when other of our assets is obliterated by enemy actions.

 

[trishna_amṛta]

Some people did say transaction with France & Netherlands satisfy all sides, Way more " flexible " than with US yet " cleaner " than with Russian & Chinese. Despite all that Rafale, Scorpene and Gowind offers are all questionable

Can't say it better. Well said indeed

 

[Nike]

These two photos reflect the share of destiny among youth soldiers from Indonesia and Netherland in 1948, photo above depicts the arrival of Indonesia Siliwangi division in Jogjakarta and below KL soldier depart before being sent into the Indies.

Credit to original owner

 

[Kansel]

@Nike @striver44 @Gen3115 @Kansel

How much you guys wanna bet that the whole Rafale deal has less to do with 'diversification' and more to do with Thales and MBDA sneaking Euros in Croissants at a meet and greet?

Well, that's what always happen when we procure something from them isn't it?

 

[san.geuk]

It seems China sistematicly testing our patience, first claiming our Zee, stealing our fish, killing our people on their ship, now claiming batik, i have suspecious this kind of act backed by ccp as part of their strategy testing the water or even an act of provocation to justify their action next

 

[mejikuhibiu]

Unesco has recognise batik is from Indonesia...is to late for them to claim batik.. not onley them who stole our fish, there is vietnam, malaysia,philipina..and mostly china.. mereka memancing di air keruh.. just keep increase our defense and military postur

 

[san.geuk]

Does anyone know why mindef has additional task to boost food production?

 

[striver44]

Tentara kan bisa semuanya.

 

[Chestnut]

Does anyone know why mindef has additional task to boost food production?

Because it's scary for the government to rely on private enterprises to do that job.

 

[san.geuk]

Because it's scary for the government to rely on private enterprises to do that job.

And @striver44

Although food supply is part of our sishankamrata, but there is ministri of agriculture to handle food sector, i'm not get into politics but this Will make mindef not focus to his primary duties

 

[striver44]

And @striver44

Although food supply is part of our sishankamrata, but there is ministri of agriculture to handle food sector, i'm not get into politics but this Will make mindef not focus to his primary duties

You realized that it's sarcasm right?

 

[mejikuhibiu]

You realized that it's sarcasm right?

No.. his right.. it was epolisosbudhankamrata

 

[Nike]

No.. his right.. it was epolisosbudhankamrata

Thats a long word

 

[striver44]

Actually you should stop mentioning those mods. It never worked. I stop using the report button long time ago.