Indonesia Defence Forum

[trishna_amṛta]

https://www.indomiliter.com/samsung...nggih-untuk-prajurit-kombatan-di-garda-depan/

That Samsung is similar in function as the US ATAK (Android Tactical Assault Kit). The US originally also use Samsung until it was replace by iPhone which I believe due to adherent to the spirit of Buy American, Hire American thus Make America Great Again

And that phone (including ATAK) is not a standalone system. It basically a client side of a BMS (Battle Management System)

 

[umigami]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1249879448255524864

This one?

The hype is always about sensors for asuw and aaw.

I am hoping for info about asw sensors too.

No. The newest one

 

[Chestnut]

No. The newest one

https://twitter.com/x/status/1265795634151321600

This one?

If the comments are correct, then thank god Terma won the tender. the TRS-4D is way better than the SMART-S that Thales offered. I'm mostly excited to see what an Iver deriative with a TRS-4D mast would look like.

 

[Nike]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1265795634151321600

This one?

If the comments are correct, then thank god Terma won the tender. the TRS-4D is way better than the SMART-S that Thales offered. I'm mostly excited to see what an Iver deriative with a TRS-4D mast would look like.

F125 mast?

 

[Chestnut]

Most likely, yet probably downscaled to adjust to the difference in displacement.

Also, to whoever it was that was talking about a possible DDG program, if it were true it most likely won't be a hull derived from a KDX-III/Sejong-the-Great class, but rather something based off the KDDX.

 

[Raduga]

F125 mast?

f125 previous mast design only occupied frontal section of the ship with 4 facing antenna array just above the bridge like this .

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however the realized design is occupying both above the bridge mast and the helicopter hangar mast , with each mast having an 2 antenna radar facing "Menyerong (ga tau gw bahasa inggris yang tepat nya apa)" .

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in my 2cent of opinion , the first mast design got advantage having a free space in the back section of the ship for the long range volume search radar mast such as SMART-L or even their future successor .

 

[LtMaverick]

Most likely, yet probably downscaled to adjust to the difference in displacement.

Also, to whoever it was that was talking about a possible DDG program, if it were true it most likely won't be a hull derived from a KDX-III/Sejong-the-Great class, but most likely DSME would offer something based off the KDDX.

the same way DSME offered indonesia KSS-3 Derivatives, DSME-2000(afaik)

f125 previous mast design only occupied frontal section of the ship with 4 facing antenna array just above the bridge like this .

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however the realized design is occupying both above the bridge mast and the helicopter hangar mast , with each mast having an 2 antenna radar facing "Menyerong (ga tau gw bahasa inggris yang tepat nya apa)" .

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in my 2cent of opinion , the first mast design got advantage having a free space in the back section of the ship for the long range volume search radar mast such as SMART-L or even their future successor .

Kinda facing sideways, 4 corners of each, to perform the real 360deg coverage. it make sense if Baden use separate mast for better coverage but that wasn't that too much effective at all. or maybe it just their precautionary cause if the ship got attacked and if one of the mast destroyed there still another panel to relied on. ofc TRS-4D fixed panel are better than rotator variant. thats why they doesnt want to maximize damage potential on their radar (imo)

 

[Ruhnama]

Dan diserang sama, what appeared to be, barisan SJW/leftist dengan narasi klasik: militeristik/orba/dwikora

https://twitter.com/x/status/1265153393519022086

They must see how Italian and French especially the French ine is super duper democratic country where the 2nd in the modrrn world dethrone their king and replacee with drmocratic republic STILL DEOLOY MILITARY in this time. If military doing non war operation it is actually good, military not only about war buta also helping people

End of rant

 

[Crunch]

And also, the fixed variant has more detection range, up to 300km if not mistaken while the rotator version is only 200 or little more km

 

[Chestnut]

f125 previous mast design only occupied frontal section of the ship with 4 facing antenna array just above the bridge like this .

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however the realized design is occupying both above the bridge mast and the helicopter hangar mast , with each mast having an 2 antenna radar facing "Menyerong (ga tau gw bahasa inggris yang tepat nya apa)" .

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in my 2cent of opinion , the first mast design got advantage having a free space in the back section of the ship for the long range volume search radar mast such as SMART-L or even their future successor .

You'll never going to see the Smart-L installed on there. The integration costs alone is going to be expensive. Not to mention whether or not Thales and Hensoldt would agree to a partnership.

 

[Raduga]

You'll never going to see the Smart-L installed on there. The integration costs alone is going to be expensive. Not to mention whether or not Thales and Hensoldt would agree to a partnership.

i think you are right , i wonder if terma hensoldt have an option or solution for long range volume search / early warning radar version of their own .

 

[Being-Art]

i think you are right , i wonder if terma hensoldt have an option or solution for long range volume search / early warning radar version of their own .

For Volume Search Radar using MSSR 2000-I. so the combination of TRS-4D and MSSR 2000-I will produce detection results with high accuracy, good coverage, extensive search, tracking capacity and guided missiles that are needed for multi-target attacks.

Previously TNI AU also purchased the Hensoldt MSSR 2000-I radar for Kohanudnas

 

[Raduga]

For Volume Search Radar using MSSR 2000-I. so the combination of TRS-4D and MSSR 2000-I will produce detection results with high accuracy, good coverage, extensive search, tracking capacity and guided missiles that are needed for multi-target attacks.

Previously TNI AU also purchased the Hensoldt MSSR 2000-I radar for KohanudnasView attachment 636314

MSSR is not really an active surveillance radar like SMART-L , specifically they are SSR radar , if the enemy turn off their transponder , they would not get tracked in radar screen ....

but based in this german forumer opinion about trs-4d , i think they were enough for a frigate role , since some member here also taught about destroyer procurement rumour , that one is going to have an better sensor all around anyway.

"hm, I thought TRS-4D comes to an island like that? Long-range room surveillance radar is currently the standard, the new thing is that modern "short-range" radars actually allow very long ranges today, which is why you can theoretically done it also without SMART-L and co. could get along."

the same way DSME offered indonesia KSS-3 Derivatives, DSME-2000(afaik)

Kinda facing sideways, 4 corners of each, to perform the real 360deg coverage. it make sense if Baden use separate mast for better coverage but that wasn't that too much effective at all. or maybe it just their precautionary cause if the ship got attacked and if one of the mast destroyed there still another panel to relied on. ofc TRS-4D fixed panel are better than rotator variant. thats why they doesnt want to maximize damage potential on their radar (imo)

you were right about the thing , the german forumer in marinearchive.de taught me the same thing , it's probably for "redudancy" aspect .

"Thanks for the link, as

far as I know, the system should be located in both islands in order to be redundant. For this I find only this picture on the net, in which you can see that TRS-4D antennas are also available in the island:"
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Germanys-F125-Special-Forces-and-Stabilization-Frigates-05119/
"Another contributor to availability is the dual redundancy /" two island ”principle, ensuring that key items are present in at least 2 different locations in case of breakdown or battle damage. The superstructure itself is split into two larger pyramidal deckhouses, as a partial reflection of this principle."

 

[kooppyyy]

The way I see it whether it's a pairing of MFR with SSR or MFR with VLR depends on the initial requirements and the intended role of the vessel. If this new class of frigates is intended for general purpose, then TRS-4D with MSSR is already sufficient, especially operating in busy airspace of SCS. However, if the intended purpose is AAW, then the proposed sensors (if true) does feel a bit lacking for the task.

 

[Chestnut]

The thing is that the "ideal" setup in the modern day would be a TRS-4D + Smart-L (APAR is considered somewhat obsolete in the context of more modern systems). But that would only work if someone is willing to shore up the integration costs and convince Thales and Hensoldt to share their data in order for the systems to work together.