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US warns Turkey, India, Egypt and Indonesia about buying Russian weapons: https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2...t-and-indonesia-about-buying-russian-weapons/

it's a bit shocking and also funny my friend. my country is one of member of Non-Aligned Movement(NAM), so basically we never pick aside.
we are a sovereign state.
so whatever happened in future, so be it :-)

one more thing, about $ 1,2 billions aid from US, i belief its fake news.
actually our armed forces bought US-weapon, and that's increasing number from $ 36 millions in year 2005 to $ 1,2 billions.
pls read back your previous article, and find link as below.
https://www.eastasiaforum.org/2018/...nce-programs-important-for-us-indonesia-ties/

I'm very curious with the below statement from the article :
"...The Indonesian National Armed Forces received almost $1.2 billion dollars aid from the US..."
Really..? Anyone had more info regarding this aid...? Or is this just a misstatement from the article..?

Clicking on the link provide no details.. the below is the closest thing to the US$ 1.2 Billion value... which is actually not aid at all...

"...Such uncertainty has driven Indonesia to diversify its arms suppliers. Not only did Indonesia’s arms imports jump from US$36 million in 2005 to almost US$1.2 billion last year, but the number of country suppliers rose from 6 to 23..."

and actually confirms that we reaallyy like to diversify our arms supplier and not depend on a single source...

reporter who wrote it, kebanyakan micin bos..lol
 
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:o:o_Oo_O Usually you just need convert the pilot from Hawk or T50 units and train them aboard

Defence Insight: Year in review (Land)
18th December 2019 - 12:00 GMT | by Sonny Butterworth in London

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The past 12 months have proven to be a particularly eventful year for the armoured vehicle market, with several major contracts finalised, decisions announced and new products unveiled. Not only do these developments reinforce many of the existing trends in the market, but they also provide a glimpse into its future and suggest that it may be entering a period of transition.

Reflecting the continued pre-eminence of the wheeled sector of the market, the trade shows this year were dominated by new wheeled platforms ranging from light, tactical 4x4 protected vehicles to heavier 8x8 IFVs.

A significant number of these platforms emanated from up and coming manufacturers based in countries not typically associated with the production of armoured vehicles, such as the UAE, which demonstrated the imposing Calidus Wahash 8x8 at IDEX in the beginning of the year, and Thailand, where expanded product ranges comprising 4x4s, MRAPs and 8x8s were showcased by Chaiseri and Panus Assembly at D&S in November.

The diversification of the supplier base is a testament to the confidence among OEMs that there will be sufficient demand for these types of platforms in the near future to justify this investment. Moreover, the emergence of smaller enterprises aimed primarily at supplying their local and regional markets points to the importance of local industrial participation, investment and offsets in securing contracts, with governments keen to see their own industrial base profit from major defence programmes.

This has had an especially noticeable effect on the wheeled armoured vehicle market across the globe. Apart from a few government-to-government sales (notably the sale of the Oshkosh JLTV to Montenegro, Lithuania and Slovenia – all countries without an established defence industry), most of the major contracts in this sector stipulated a large degree of local participation, whether it be the British Army’s contract for the Boxer 8x8 or Indonesia’s agreement for PT Pindad to licence-produce the Pandur II 8x8.

Although the flurry of contracts announced in 2019 and the continuation of several ongoing tenders suggests a healthy, growing market in the near-term future, the question of how sustainable this growth will be must also be addressed. With 8x8 platforms set to have a service life of perhaps as many as 40 years, it is possible that the market will not remain large enough to accommodate everyone.

Yet while the wheeled market shows no signs of stalling in the short-term, 2019 was perhaps more remarkable for several milestones in the procurement of new tracked armoured vehicles. Having somewhat neglected their tracked armoured vehicle fleets since the end of the Cold War, Western militaries have begun to seek replacements for legacy platforms that will be more capable in a potential near-peer conflict.

Two major procurement programmes encapsulate the resurgence of activity in the tracked vehicle market: the US Army’s Optionally Manned Fighting Vehicle (OMFV) and the Australian Army’s Land 400 Phase 3 tender, both of which are intended to select a new tracked IFV.

The former saw a particularly contentious development as the KF41 Lynx, considered to be a favourite among many commentators, was excluded from competing the prototype phase on a technicality, leaving General Dynamics Land Systems as the sole competitor. While this has led to fears of insufficient competition and that the technical requirements may not be feasible, the Army’s decision to stick to its ambitious timetable shows that there is now a sense that new platforms must be procured urgently to address such capability shortfalls.

Conversely, there have been fewer signs of activity in the realm of MBTs, though Russia has carried out numerous deliveries and signed new contracts for export variants of its T-72 and T-90 MBTs. For many militaries, the emphasis continues to be on upgrading ever-diminishing fleets of Cold War-era tanks, as the procurement of new platforms is not forecast until the distant future. Therefore, while there are some requirements for new MBTs in countries such as Oman, the MBT market is not expected to see a dramatic uptick in spending until later in the following decade.

Moving to self-propelled artillery, the market for these systems continued to show strong growth in 2019, though there are also signs of change. Due to the emphasis on expeditionary operations, systems based on wheeled chassis have become more prominent as a result of their greater strategic and operational mobility compared to their tracked counterparts.

Nevertheless, the incursion of wheeled platforms has not entirely displaced traditional tracked systems. For instance, in Europe, one of the most active regions of this market, the first Hanwha K9 Thunder was delivered to Norway this year, Estonia exercised an option for an additional six K9s and Poland took delivery of another battalion of Krabs.

Overall, no sector of the armoured vehicles market has lain dormant during 2019. In terms of value and activity, the wheeled armoured vehicle segment continues to retain its dominant position. However, 2019 also signals a transition toward the procurement of more tracked vehicles, which Defence Insight anticipates could see the balance in the market shift by the middle of the next decade.

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/defence-insight-year-in-review-land/
 
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it's a bit shocking and also funny my friend. my country is one of member of Non-Aligned Movement(NAM), so basically we never pick aside.
we are a sovereign state.
so whatever happened in future, so be it :-)

one more thing, about $ 1,2 billions aid from US, i belief its fake news.
actually our armed forces bought US-weapon, and that's increasing number from $ 36 millions in year 2005 to $ 1,2 billions.
pls read back your previous article, and find link as below.
https://www.eastasiaforum.org/2018/...nce-programs-important-for-us-indonesia-ties/



reporter who wrote it, kebanyakan micin bos..lol
yes we are sovereign state but we depend on many thing on the U.S and the U.S could make it very hard for us so its better not to confront them through CAATSA
 
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This is a rather China government owned company engaging as sales door for supplier in China to export their products, known for engaging sales and provide technology transfer for even Long range ballistic missile to Iran, Pakistan, North Korea and so on, they too almost sold Long range SAM system to Turkey in 2013. Been banned by US since 2006. They willing to sold anything though even something like Dong Feng series which had range thousands kilometer, for example to Saudi
TLORAMID and then turks buy aster samp/t and their s400

However camo is more than what you can see with your Mk I eyeball
So what camo suitable for our operation? Still i see samar and kopaska one is good camo tni have.
 
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Wamenhan Ingatkan Pentingnya Menguasai Teknologi Pertahanan
Kamis, 19 Desember 2019

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, Bogor – Wakil Menteri Pertahanan (Wamenhan) Sakti Wahyu Trenggono mengingatkan pentingnya bagi Indonesia menguasai teknologi pertahanan sebagai sebuah kebutuhan pertahanan di masa depan agar menjadi bangsa yang mandiri.

“Saya melihat bahwa priode 2020-2024 adalah priode pemerintahan yang penting untuk menentukan arah pembangunan jangka panjang kekuatan pertahanan Indonesia dua puluh lima tahun yang akan datang, terutama dalam soal menguasai teknologi yang menjadi kebutuhan pertahanan di masa depan,” kata Wamenhan saat memberikan Keynote Speech di Round Table Discussion yang diselenggarakan oleh Universitas Pertahanan dengan tema ”Prioritas Akuisisi Alutsista Strategis TNI 2020-2045”, Kamis (19/12).

Wamenhan lebih lanjut mengakan bahwa perang di masa datang akan didominasi oleh kekuatan Teknologi Informasi dan Komunikasi (TIK) dengan konsep seperti Network Centric Warfare (NCW) dan kemampuan peperangan siber (Cyber Warfare) pada platform persenjataan.

Perpaduan antara teknologi dan konsep operasi perang yang inovatif inilah sesungguhnya merupakan pengertian paling mendasar dari apa yang kemudian disebut sebagai Revolution in Military Affairs (RMA), yang bertumpu pada kecanggihan teknologi.

“Perang kedepan itu, memiliki banyak aset, seperti pesawat tempur ataupun peluru kendali (missile) tidak dengan sendirinya menjamin suatu negara memiliki kekuatan daya tangkal (deterrent power), tanpa diimbangi kemampuan mengeksploitasi konsep-konsep perang yang inovatif dan kreatif,” katanya.

Diingatkannya, penyelenggaraan pertahanan negara menuntut human capital yang unggul, gagasan-gagasan cerdas yang kreatif dan inovatif, sekaligus peralatan yang modern yang secara keseluruhan memerlukan keterpaduan dukungan ekonomi negara yang kuat, industri pertahanan dalam negeri yang kuat dengan didukung oleh kemampuan penelitian dan pengembangan (R&D) dalam negeri yang mumpuni.

Network Centric Warfare harus didukung oleh sistem yang memadukan teknologi sensor dan teknologi/manajemen informasi-komunikasi yang “robust” untuk mampu menangkap dan melakukan “Big Data analysis” yang diperlukan dalam domain ISTAR (Intelligence, Surveillance, Target Acquisition, Reconnaissance) guna mengungkap begitu massive-nya informasi strategis yang dimiliki oleh musuh atau bakal lawan, yang kemudian diperlukan dalam pengambilan keputusan selanjutnya.

Secara keseluruhan Network Centric Warfare ini menjadi semacam “Internet of Things” dari medan operasi perang yang mengandalkan teknologi/sistem manajemen informasi/komunikasi dan sensor-sensor guna meningkatkan “situational awareness”.

“Big Data Analysis” dalam sistem Network Centric Warfare diperlukan untuk memperoleh gambaran lengkap dan akurat guna memprediksi kejadian-kejadian yang akan datang yang diperlukan untuk pengambilan keputusan.

“Konsep Network Centric Warfare menuntut cara berpikir baru yang koheren pada semua level operasi militer, dari taktis sampai strategis, dimana teknologi menjadi core-nya. Karena itu saya mendorong semua ekosistem di industri pertahanan nasional untuk tanggap terhadap perubahan lingkungan strategis yang tengah terjadi, dan mulai berinvestasi untuk mengembangkan teknologi pertahanan yang mumpuni agar kita menjadi bangsa mandiri dan berdirikari,” tutupnya.

https://www.kemhan.go.id/2019/12/19/wamenhan-ingatkan-pentingnya-menguasai-teknologi-pertahanan.html

Kemampuan big data processing, ISTAR jadi tumpuan kedepan dalam 25 tahun yang akan datang
 
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yes we are sovereign state but we depend on many thing on the U.S and the U.S could make it very hard for us so its better not to confront them through CAATSA

offcourse my friend. but we are depend on many nations too in this world, not just US.
in terms of economics & military, the united state not dominant for us.

as written from link above, eastasianforum:
"The United States has never been Indonesia’s top arms supplier. During the Cold War, the United States’ average market share was just behind that of the Soviet Union at 20 per cent. From 1992 to 2017, US market share dropped to 10 per cent behind Germany, the United Kingdom, Russia, the Netherlands and South Korea.

imagine if nations like UK, Germany, France, Italy, Russia, Japan, China making their own system similar to caatsa, what in the hell this world would be?
i hope the US revoke caatsa, so the world would back in peace again

the US president now facing his domestic problem.
Donald Trump is impeached and faces trial in the US Senate
www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50840934
 
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So what camo suitable for our operation? Still i see samar and kopaska one is good camo tni have.

License and modified commercial pattern and NIR treating it. Although with NIR treatment it will bring additional complication since we are not accustomed to wash clothing articles according to their instruction.

These patterns are suitable for tropical jungle environment ;

KRYPTEK Mandrake

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A-TACS FG

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A-TACS FGX

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PenCott™ GreenZone

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While for Indonesia urban environment ;

KRYPTEK Highlander™

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A-TACS iX

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MULTICAM®

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offcourse my friend. but we are depend on many nations too in this world, not just US.
in terms of economics & military, the united state not dominant for us.

as written from link above, eastasianforum:
"The United States has never been Indonesia’s top arms supplier. During the Cold War, the United States’ average market share was just behind that of the Soviet Union at 20 per cent. From 1992 to 2017, US market share dropped to 10 per cent behind Germany, the United Kingdom, Russia, the Netherlands and South Korea.

imagine if nations like UK, Germany, France, Italy, Russia, Japan, China making their own system similar to caatsa, what in the hell this world would be?
i hope the US revoke caatsa, so the world would back in peace again

the US president now facing his domestic problem.
Donald Trump is impeached and faces trial in the US Senate
www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50840934

Actually Trump admin is quite friendly to us compared to Clinton based Democrat, fortunately Obama is quite different in attitude toward Indonesia compared to his democrat peers. I just wish the best for Trump and hope he can retain the power until election
 
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Actually Trump admin is quite friendly to us compared to Clinton based Democrat, fortunately Obama is quite different in attitude toward Indonesia compared to his democrat peers. I just wish the best for Trump and hope he can retain the power until election
If Prabowo visits US do you think Democrat will make a spectacle out of it like when Trump admin being friendly with MBS and Erdogan? I remember when they made a big deal about Trump's business relation with Hary Tanoe as if he's super important in Indonesia
 
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offcourse my friend. but we are depend on many nations too in this world, not just US.
in terms of economics & military, the united state not dominant for us.

as written from link above, eastasianforum:
"The United States has never been Indonesia’s top arms supplier. During the Cold War, the United States’ average market share was just behind that of the Soviet Union at 20 per cent. From 1992 to 2017, US market share dropped to 10 per cent behind Germany, the United Kingdom, Russia, the Netherlands and South Korea.

imagine if nations like UK, Germany, France, Italy, Russia, Japan, China making their own system similar to caatsa, what in the hell this world would be?
i hope the US revoke caatsa, so the world would back in peace again

the US president now facing his domestic problem.
Donald Trump is impeached and faces trial in the US Senate
www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50840934
The U.S cant be compared with germany,spain,france,GB,russia.etc. they have a class of their own. The U.S is still the 2nd largest economic partner for RI, our economy are closely interlinked with them.aswell as one of our most imporrant military partner. So its not wise to go against them for a few jets.

The US is close to become our main weapons supplier if its not for the massacres in east timor. We are so close into buying 60+ F16's in the mid 90s.

CAATSA has nothing to do with trump. Its proposed first during Obama's adm at the end of '16
 
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If Prabowo visits US do you think Democrat will make a spectacle out of it like when Trump admin being friendly with MBS and Erdogan? I remember when they made a big deal about Trump's business relation with Hary Tanoe as if he's super important in Indonesia

There is a chance, actually they can use Prabowo rather shady background to slander Trump more. Thats why i rather glad if Trump won another round of election next year although the chance is rather small. But at least i just praying Clinton based Democrat faction lose to their competitor.
 
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