Indonesia Defence Forum

[Being-Art]

SU 35 is a long range and heavy fighter that we need for war on the sea. Our possible conflict with other country is actually projected to happen on the sea if we see our latest border dispute in Ambalat and Natuna. Along with our SU 30, the platform can carry 1 brahmos missile that can blow up a frigate with single strike. The payment is also very soft since 50 % of it will use barter. The acquisition is also essential to keep our commitment with the Russian and learning trust vectoring engine technology.

I rather want our general to change the plan to buy 32 F 16 Block 70 with just 8 F 35. Buying F 35 is essential to see its effectiveness on the battle field since Australia buy 100 of them and Singapore possibly replace all their F 16 with this plane. The price is also not really different with F 16 Block 70. But I only support it if our financial commitment with Korean to build KFX/IFX is still being kept and respected.

And for large fighter acquisition, I want to say that we need to be patience and just wait for KFX/IFX program.

buying F-35A in small quantities will not be effective, unless you buy F-35A around 48 or 80 units of a complete package (the more unit you buy the cheaper the price, plus the full package (Weapons, training, and spare parts)) to replace all F-16.

for now, buying 32 F-16 Block 72 Viper complete package to replace Hawk 100/200 has been the right decision, because Commonality is preferred so that maintenance and training are more flexible. and if there is sufficient funds, 23 F-16C/D Block 52ID (Block 32+) can be upgraded to F-16 Block 72

Hmm.., about our Su-27/30 Contracts in 3 Batchs, me and some other friend find discrepancies in the Contracts :

See?, the contract value when combined becomes ballooned. while Malaysia bought 18 units of Su-30MKM Growlerski full arm with offset Package for only $900 million, and Vietnam and Venezuela buy 12 Su-30MK2 for only $450-480 million

 

[Nike]

Bought 36 or 48 F35 B, along with 3 unit LHD in class like America class or enlarged Izumo/Dokdo, an air arm of 12- 16 units per ship combined with long range AEW like wedgetail and land searched data system Raytheon Sentinel and long range ASW like Poseidon and being escorted with high performa AAW DESTROYER and ASW Frigates all within the scope of integrated data link system will be a lethal forces capable to twarth PLAN in around South China sea

 

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[Kansel]

Bought 36 or 48 F35 B, along with 3 unit LHD in class like America class or enlarged Izumo/Dokdo, an air arm of 12- 16 units per ship combined with long range AEW like wedgetail and land searched data system Raytheon Sentinel and long range ASW like Poseidon and being escorted with high performa AAW DESTROYER and ASW Frigates all within the scope of integrated data link system will be a lethal forces capable to twarth PLAN in around South China sea

Actually, i prefer some tactical AWACS to be placed on our future LHD for example crowsnest AWACS or EV-22.

Looking at Pal's LHD current specifications, per ship can carry 8-12 F35 (based on Trieste spec) but the design look a lot like mistral X America class

Idk about destroyer plan on the future, but i think enlarged iver is much more cost efficient and cheap rather than buying brand new destroyer.

Also a good progression for PATMAR , soon they're getting strategic MPA and i hope it was P8 (4-6 unit (?) ) I hope air force changing their SLAMMR into P8 post MEF

(CMIIW)

INDONESIA
MENHAN AKAN UTAMAKAN BELANJA KAPAL PERANG DAN PESAWAT TEMPUR
25 NOVEMBER 2019 DIANEKO_LC TINGGALKAN KOMENTAR
Menhan Prabowo Subianto sejak awal memperingatkan kepada semua yang berada di bawah koordinasi Kementerian Pertahanan (Kemenhan) jangan main-main dengan pertahanan dan kedaulatan negara. Prabowo juga meminta kepada jajarannya tidak terlibat dalam praktik rente di sektor pertahanan, tidak boleh ada kebocoran di belanja alutsista dan hak-hak kesejahteraan prajurit TNI.

Dilansir dari laman I News (25/ 11/ 2019), belanja alutsista akan diarahkan untuk perimbangan kekuatan pertahanan. Khususnya kapal perang Angkatan Laut, pesawat tempur Angkatan Udara dan Angkatan Darat.

“Menhan paham betul kondisi alutsista yang sudah baik harus ditingkatkan terus dan dimodernisasi tanpa henti,” ujar Staf Khusus Menhan Prabowo Subianto Bidang Komunikasi Publik dan Hubungan Antar Lembaga, Dahnil Anzar, di Jakarta, Senin (25/11/2019).

Menurutnya, Prabowo mereview secara langsung terkait harga dan spesifikasi belanja alutsista yang sudah dialokasi pada 2019 dan riview alokasi 2020 agar tepat sasaran, ekonomis, efisien dan efektif.

“Belanja pertahanan harus digunakan semaksimal mungkin untuk kepentingan menjaga kedaulatan NKRI dengan minimalisasi kebocoran,” katanya.

Photo: KRI RE Martadinata 331 dalam RIMPAC 2018 (defence.pk)

Editor: (D.E.S)

 

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[Philip the Arab]

Does anyone know how much longer Hawk 200s will be in service and if there will be overhaul/upgrade anytime soon?
@Indos

 

[Nike]

Does anyone know how much longer Hawk 200s will be in service and if there will be overhaul/upgrade anytime soon?
@Indos

They are fairly new, most came in early 2000 if not between 1999-2002, meanwhile our Hawk 53 being operated between 1980-2015, thats around 35 years, so expect the operational time of our Hawk 109/209 is around 35-40 year

 

[Philip the Arab]

They are fairly new, most came in early 2000 if not between 1999-2002, meanwhile our Hawk 53 being operated between 1980-2015, thats around 35 years, so expect the operational time of our Hawk 109/209 is around 35-40 year

Well, if they are going to be in service for next 10-20 years they should receive armament upgrades. Indonesia should form partnership with other Muslim companies producing aircraft weapons like Turkey, UAE, Pakistan and try to get TOT for missiles and arm present, and future Indonesian platforms. A country with 1 trillion dollar nominal, and such a large population should develop industry as much as possible.

 

[radialv]

KRI Malahayati-362 Mid Life Modernization

PT PAL INDONESIA
Surabaya, 25 November 2019. Program Mid Life Modernization (MLM) korvet KRI Malahayati-362 memasuki tahapan Commodore Inspection di dermaga PT PAL Indonesia (Persero). Commodore Inspection dipimpin oleh Kepala Pusat Kodifikasi Baranahan Kementerian Pertahanan RI Laksma TNI. Yos Sumiarsa, SE, M.Si. Commodore Inspection adalah inspeksi yang dilakukan untuk mengetahui hasil dari program MLM yang telah dilakukan, meliputi pengecekan semua item yang tercantum dalam kontrak MLM berjalan dengan baik. Sebelumnya pada tanggal 15-21 November 2019 KRI Malahayati-362 telah menjalani Sea Trial untuk menguji platform dan sewaco. PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) berhasil menyelesaikan kontrak yang terdiri dari 15 item modernisasi secara tepat waktu, tepat mutu, dan tepat guna. Modernisasi mencakup platform, sistem senjata dan komando (sewaco), termasuk modernisasi sistem pendorong kapal denga menggunakan combine diesel and diesel (CODAD) yang menjadikan lebih powerful, stabil dan ekonomis. Modernisasi juga dilakukan pada combat management system (CMS). Hal tersebut menunjukan kapasitas dan kapabilitas yang dimiliki oleh PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) dalam menjalankan proyek yang telah dipercayakan

with martadinata class, at time when millennium gun not installed yet

Uninstalled Exocet MM38 missiles

look at the size, so freakin big 120mm! Navy MBT..

installed new diesel MTU engine

new radar terma my guess type 4603 & Rigel RESM

new cabin interior

torpedo tube still there

reaching 24.3 knots, not bad

DORNA E-O FCS

Dorna Gun Fire Control System & Catiz Combat Management System-NAVANTIA

new rhib

KRI REM with Millenium Gun ....anyone have picture pliss

 

[Indos]

Does anyone know how much longer Hawk 200s will be in service and if there will be overhaul/upgrade anytime soon?
@Indos

There is Air Force plan to replace Hawk 200 with F 16 Block 70. But that plan hasnt been approved by Minister of Defense and Finance Minister. We need to wait for some time as we appointed a new MoD just recently.

According to me, better to buy more T 50 Golden Eagle if we have enough money to prepare our pilot with 5 generation fighter after 2026. This acquisition will also enhance our strategic relation with South Korea in defense industry program.

Some Hawk 200 have been undergone overhaul in Indonesia some years ago and Hawk 200/100 also already got some avionics upgrade from local company (Info Global). I project replacement will happen in the period of 2027-2033 with KFX/IFX fighter (If the program is successful and accordance with the plan). This plan is more rational and strategic since it will enhance our own defense industry so it will benefit us in a long term, and I am optimistic that our MoD will select this route, inshaAllah.

 

[Philip the Arab]

There is Air Force plan to replace Hawk 200 with F 16 Block 70. But that plan hasnt been approved by Minister of Defense and Finance Minister. We need to wait for some time as we appointed a new MoD just recently.

That is a good plan, F-16 Block 70s are some of the most capable 4th gen fighters on the planet.

According to me, better to buy more T 50 Golden Eagle if we have enough money to prepare our pilot with 5 generation fighter after 2026. This acquisition will also enhance our strategic relation with South Korea in defense industry program.

That is also a good idea, if Indonesia could replace all Hawks in inventory with a T-50 variant armed with AMRAAMs, and hopefully cooperating with Muslim countries to arm them with weapons produced under TOT.

Some Hawk 200 have been undergone overhaul in Indonesia some years ago and Hawk 200/100 also already got some avionics upgrade from local company (Info Global). I project replacement will happen in the period of 2027-2033 with KFX/IFX fighter (If the program is successful and accordance with the plan). This plan is more rational and strategic since it will enhance our own defense industry so it will benefit us in a long term, and I am optimistic that our MoD will select this route, inshaAllah.

InfoGlobal seems like a very promising company, I hope it will create avionics for whole aircraft produced by Indonesia soon Inshallah.

 

[Being-Art]

That is a good plan, F-16 Block 70s are some of the most capable 4th gen fighters on the planet.

That is also a good idea, if Indonesia could replace all Hawks in inventory with a T-50 variant armed with AMRAAMs, and hopefully cooperating with Muslim countries to arm them with weapons produced under TOT.

InfoGlobal seems like a very promising company, I hope it will create avionics for whole aircraft produced by Indonesia soon Inshallah.

There is Air Force plan to replace Hawk 200 with F 16 Block 70. But that plan hasnt been approved by Minister of Defense and Finance Minister. We need to wait for some time as we appointed a new MoD just recently.

According to me, better to buy more T 50 Golden Eagle if we have enough money to prepare our pilot with 5 generation fighter after 2026. This acquisition will also enhance our strategic relation with South Korea in defense industry program.

Some Hawk 200 have been undergone overhaul in Indonesia some years ago and Hawk 200/100 also already got some avionics upgrade from local company (Info Global). I project replacement will happen in the period of 2027-2033 with KFX/IFX fighter (If the program is successful and accordance with the plan). This plan is more rational and strategic since it will enhance our own defense industry so it will benefit us in a long term, and I am optimistic that our MoD will select this route, inshaAllah.

TA-50 or FA-50 golden Eagle more precisely for LIFT squadron, according to plan, 21 units of aircraft are needed (one of them to replace one T-50i that crashed a few years ago). so that when combined with existing T-50 aircraft (hopefully got upgrade), the total number will be 36 units or 3 minimum Squadron (12 units each minimum Squadron)

Oh yeah, my friend also said that even though Hawk 100/200 was younger than F-16A/B Block 15 OCU and F-16C/D Block 52ID, but its role as a multirole fighter was indeed less qualified. so that's the reason why buying 32 F-16 new variants rather than T-50 variants to replace the Hawk .

 

[Philip the Arab]

TA-50 or FA-50 golden Eagle more precisely for LIFT squadron, according to plan, 21 units of aircraft are needed (one of them to replace one T-50i that crashed a few years ago). so that when combined with existing T-50 aircraft (hopefully got upgrade), the total number will be 36 units or 3 minimum Squadron (12 units each minimum Squadron)

To replace Hawk completely or complement?

 

[Being-Art]

To replace Hawk completely or complement?

Completely