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Gannet = CN-235 mpa with Sonobuoy launcher and torp ?

MPA need more than just throwing sonobuoy and torpedo, it also need to process all those feeds from the sonobuoys and that require specialists & computing power this translate into cabin space & availability of power. Keep in mind in modern ASW you need more than 1 torpedo to incapacitate any sub because underwater environment is full with uncertainty.
 
Much more better for our pandur ifv variant to held ATGM (Israeli made ATGM in this case), for fsv and medium tank its better to use sniper&ambush tactic. But yeah purchasing falarick is good tho
you could carry more atgm in gun launched version rather than the one with external canister box , so i agree if we pursue the Cockerill 105mm , hell ... we could even ask those chocolate makers to do transfer of technology for ATGM development , i hope someone from our MoD see this .
 
we could even ask those chocolate makers to do transfer of technology for ATGM development
That's a little bit too ambitious, a little bit. Let's be happy for now with 90 mm TOT (limited) lets absorb and implement first.
 
Those "alays" media, specially in youtube is part of process from a democratic developing country,every developing country has them, event thai and sokor has them, its a normal thing although also irritating, but its a part of process being grown up

I'm personally doesn't agree with 5th october parade, how many budget spend just for couple hours parade, those money can be used for maintain and aquire better personel equipment, hope next year we can celebrate it in more wise ceremonial.

Our country today still deals with those KKB, sure personels equiptment is a must have, supported with ucav and gunship will be great, and seriously we must have it,but a potential conflict also on rise, that big red up north on next decade will be head to head with that old giant,they capable built their our own military industry in a fast mode, the most ambitious country in research tech, create their own ships, missile and aircraft in bulk production, we should never underestimate any potential conflicts, if that happen a couple of REM fregate and corvett will be sitting duck without proper early warning and aerial defence system, big and larger ship can hold those job, hope our decision maker learn from poland and dutch east indies in WW2.

Si vis pacem, para bellum.
 
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105 mm is enough.

*If only there's a plan to buy ATGM for the 105 mm gun such as Falarick 105.
But its not bad to standartize all of our tank turrets into 120 mm just like what are we going to do with our howitzer fleet
 
The strength of a country lies on their conventional wisdom, thats the basic, after that you can focused on the support ecosystem to give more competitive edge over your adversary. Our small corvettes and frigates is not sufficient to guard our country who got massive open ocean areas, in which the Air Asia search effort clearly show us, our small warships cant do the jack and shit against sea state over 4 during monsoon seasons and must impending several times in severe weather, the same cant be said to truly ocean going warships from US, japan and Singapore. In case of conflict against such NAVY who hold advantage over warships type over our Navy, they can sailing all the way toward Jakarta unhindered during such weather seasons without our Navy able to sailing to meet and intercept their fleets. Conventional strength steel being needed for our military no matter what how you play it down.

Okay, I'm not going to bother taking you seriously if you're to use ad hominems. So far you have given no rebuttal to my argument that the TNI has pressing insurgency concerns and border intrusions that are best solved by better infantry training, MP aircraft, and littoral combat ships over heavy assets other than constantly referring to "future aspirations".

Keep in mind that this opinion is shared by a lot of the soldiers I work with. I have lost count of how many soldiers said they would rather get better personal gear than having to be responsible for another $5 million piece of equipment.

I'm just going to close this pissing contest by saying that your type of grandiose, blind patriotism is what got us to this logistical crisis and budget waste in the first place. A parade military is only great for parades, not actual war.


I think we should go for it. the AAVP's kinda fill their own niche in the Marine Corps. Having the BMP-3 platform as a common IFV and AAVP's as a common APC for the marines isn't that much of a logistical crisis. If anything though I'd start with actually adding weapons to the KAAVP's we already have.

For the most part, both vehicles are modular platforms. You can have the BMP-3's as IFV's, ATGM carriers, and SHORAD's while having the AAVP's as troop carriers, mortar carriers, command, engineering, and logistics.

No need, i am fed up enough with your type of mr know everything.

Typically its due to the lack of technical knowledge and operating experience. And lately we can add the "alay" Indonesian medias into the equation of which I doubt whether or not those journalist even graduate Indonesia high school

Alay what? Even our Dispen TNI cant afford to explained a right type of Alutsista they showed during Parade
 
INDONESIA
SURVEY PENGEMBANGAN PANGKALAN UDARA TNI AL DIBAWAH JAJARAN PUSPENERBAL
27 OKTOBER 2019 DIANEKO_LC TINGGALKAN KOMENTAR
survey-pengembangan-pangkalan-udara-tni-al-dibawah-jajaran-puspenerbal.jpg

Survey Pengembangan Pangkalan Udara TNI AL Dibawah Jajaran Puspenerbal. (TNI AL)
Komandan Puspenerbal yang diwakili Direktur Perencanaan dan Pengembangan (Dirrenbang Puspenerbal) Kolonel Laut (P) Kicky Salvachdie, S.E. melaksanakan survey dalam rangka pengembangan pangkalan udara TNI AL di bawah jajaran Puspenerbal yang berada di wilayah Koarmada I. Rabu (23/10/2019).

Dilansir dari laman web TNI AL (26/ 10/ 2019), Wing Udara 1 yang merupakan satuan operasional yang secara langsung melakukan pembinaan kekuatan dan kemampuan untuk mendukung satuan operasional, khususnya di wilayah Koarmada I.

Selain itu, Wing Udara 1 turut serta dalam mendukung pelaksanaan survey ke bandara Letung dan Lanudal Matak yang terletak Kabupaten Anambas Provinsi Kepulauan Riau serta ke wilayah Singkawang Pontianak Provinsi Kalimantan Barat dengan satu unsur Pesud jenis Casa NC-212/U-6208 yang diawaki oleh Capt Pilot Letkol Laut (P) Bambang Edi Saputro.

Dengan adanya penambahan pangkalan udara TNI AL di wilayah Letung Kepulauan Riau dan Singkawang Kalimantan Barat tugas yang diemban oleh penerbangan TNI AL di wilayah Koarmada I dapat memberikan hasil lebih maksimal demi mewujudkan Penerbangan TNI AL yang besar dan profesional.

Dalam kunjungan tersebut Komandan Wing Udara 1 Kolonel Laut (P) Gering Sapto Sambodo, M. Tr. Hanla., M.M beserta Perwira Staf Wing Udara 1 melepas tim survey Dirrenbang Puspenerbal di Apron Lanudal Tanjungpinang.

Editor: (D.E.S)
For f*ck sake are we really gonna invest to something like P8? Cause im really confused right now and which branch will get that things?


LATMA SAMUDERA SAKTI 2019, KRI USMAN HARUN-359 BERANGKAT KE INDIA
27 OKTOBER 2019 DIANEKO_LC TINGGALKAN KOMENTAR
kri-usman-harun-ush-359-4.jpg

KRI Usman Harun – 359 (Istimewa)

Koarmada I berangkatkan KRI Usman Harun-359 untuk melaksanakan Latihan Bersama TNI AL dengan Angkatan Laut India yang akan dilaksanakan pada minggu pertama bulan November di Visakaphatnam India.

Dilansir dari laman web TNI AL (25/ 10/ 2019), Komandan KRI Usman Harun-359 Kolonel Laut (P) Himawan selaku Komandan Satuan Tugas Latihan Bersama (Latma) Samudera Sakti 2019 sebelum bertolak menuju Visakaphatnam India melaksanakan pengecekan dan kelengkapan personel di Dermaga JICT II, Tanjung Priok, Jakarta Utara, Kamis (24/10/2019).

KRI Usman Harun-359 akan berlayar menuju Visakaphatnam India dan sebelumnya akan singgah di Lantamal I Belawan, dan dijadwalkan akan tiba di Visakaphatnam pada tanggal 4 November 2019.

Tujuan Latihan Bersama ini adalah meningkatkan kerjasama Angkatan Laut kedua negara dengan sasarannya adalah peningkatan latihan operasi maritim yang terkoordinasi serta mempererat hubungan antar personel kedua belah pihak.

Latihan ini dilatarbelakangi dengan adanya kepentingan bersama antar negara bertetangga yang berbatasan laut langsung untuk menjaga stabilitas keamanan laut di perbatasan yang selama ini secara rutin telah dilaksanakan patroli terkoordinasi India-Indonesia Coordinated Patrol (Indindo Corpat) dan kesepakatan pada tingkat pimpinan yang tertuang dalam Navy To Navy Talk (NTNT) yang digelar dan dievaluasi setiap tahun secara bergantian dan reciprocal.

Komandan Satgas menyampaikan “Latihan Bersama Samudera Sakti 2019 akan dilaksanakan 2 phase yaitu phase darat, dimana kita akan merencanakan latihan operasi dan selanjutnya akan dilaksanakan phase laut, yang tentunya dengan maneuver yaitu KRI Usman Harun-359 dan INS Kadmat-P29, dengan area latihan di perairan timur India teluk Benggala”.

Dril latihan yang akan dilaksanakan diantaranya adalah Joint Manoeuvres, Surface Warfare exercises, Anti Submarine Warfare (ASW) Exercises and Anti-Piracy Exercises.

“Latihan Bersama Samudera Sakti sangat penting untuk memperkuat hubungan diuplomasi militer Indonesia dengan India dan Counter Building Measure” pungkasnya.

Editor: (D.E.S)
 
Alay what? Even our Dispen TNI cant afford to explained a right type of Alutsista they showed during Parade
:lol::frown::lol::frown:

For f*ck sake are we really gonna invest to something like P8? Cause im really confused right now and which branch will get that things?
My guess is they having disagreemant as well. Each branch wants to excel its capabilities, AU need MPA to target enemy ship/subs, AL needs the same thing and to make it worst they share the same budget. So yeah its kinda positive internal conflict for the greater good? The possible cure might be Network centric and database sharing which is up until now the base platform from each branch is still uncertain. I personally think MPA should exclusively be in Navy. Im not sure if Air Force have enough man power to process that sonar data. Then the data can be shared to the air force so everybody win? Easy to say than done I assume hehe

The last Army large training they introduce their own CMS/Battle management system (kinda) which is praised by Panglima. But then his statement made me thinking, Army build this?? Isnt it suppouse to be build to serve the whole branch?? So each building their own?? I can only wonder... :D

INDONESIA
SURVEY PENGEMBANGAN PANGKALAN UDARA TNI AL DIBAWAH JAJARAN PUSPENERBAL
27 OKTOBER 2019 DIANEKO_LC TINGGALKAN KOMENTAR
survey-pengembangan-pangkalan-udara-tni-al-dibawah-jajaran-puspenerbal.jpg

Survey Pengembangan Pangkalan Udara TNI AL Dibawah Jajaran Puspenerbal. (TNI AL)
Komandan Puspenerbal yang diwakili Direktur Perencanaan dan Pengembangan (Dirrenbang Puspenerbal) Kolonel Laut (P) Kicky Salvachdie, S.E. melaksanakan survey dalam rangka pengembangan pangkalan udara TNI AL di bawah jajaran Puspenerbal yang berada di wilayah Koarmada I. Rabu (23/10/2019).

Dilansir dari laman web TNI AL (26/ 10/ 2019), Wing Udara 1 yang merupakan satuan operasional yang secara langsung melakukan pembinaan kekuatan dan kemampuan untuk mendukung satuan operasional, khususnya di wilayah Koarmada I.

Selain itu, Wing Udara 1 turut serta dalam mendukung pelaksanaan survey ke bandara Letung dan Lanudal Matak yang terletak Kabupaten Anambas Provinsi Kepulauan Riau serta ke wilayah Singkawang Pontianak Provinsi Kalimantan Barat dengan satu unsur Pesud jenis Casa NC-212/U-6208 yang diawaki oleh Capt Pilot Letkol Laut (P) Bambang Edi Saputro.

Dengan adanya penambahan pangkalan udara TNI AL di wilayah Letung Kepulauan Riau dan Singkawang Kalimantan Barat tugas yang diemban oleh penerbangan TNI AL di wilayah Koarmada I dapat memberikan hasil lebih maksimal demi mewujudkan Penerbangan TNI AL yang besar dan profesional.

Dalam kunjungan tersebut Komandan Wing Udara 1 Kolonel Laut (P) Gering Sapto Sambodo, M. Tr. Hanla., M.M beserta Perwira Staf Wing Udara 1 melepas tim survey Dirrenbang Puspenerbal di Apron Lanudal Tanjungpinang.

Editor: (D.E.S)
For f*ck sake are we really gonna invest to something like P8? Cause im really confused right now and which branch will get that things?


LATMA SAMUDERA SAKTI 2019, KRI USMAN HARUN-359 BERANGKAT KE INDIA
27 OKTOBER 2019 DIANEKO_LC TINGGALKAN KOMENTAR
kri-usman-harun-ush-359-4.jpg

KRI Usman Harun – 359 (Istimewa)

Koarmada I berangkatkan KRI Usman Harun-359 untuk melaksanakan Latihan Bersama TNI AL dengan Angkatan Laut India yang akan dilaksanakan pada minggu pertama bulan November di Visakaphatnam India.

Dilansir dari laman web TNI AL (25/ 10/ 2019), Komandan KRI Usman Harun-359 Kolonel Laut (P) Himawan selaku Komandan Satuan Tugas Latihan Bersama (Latma) Samudera Sakti 2019 sebelum bertolak menuju Visakaphatnam India melaksanakan pengecekan dan kelengkapan personel di Dermaga JICT II, Tanjung Priok, Jakarta Utara, Kamis (24/10/2019).

KRI Usman Harun-359 akan berlayar menuju Visakaphatnam India dan sebelumnya akan singgah di Lantamal I Belawan, dan dijadwalkan akan tiba di Visakaphatnam pada tanggal 4 November 2019.

Tujuan Latihan Bersama ini adalah meningkatkan kerjasama Angkatan Laut kedua negara dengan sasarannya adalah peningkatan latihan operasi maritim yang terkoordinasi serta mempererat hubungan antar personel kedua belah pihak.

Latihan ini dilatarbelakangi dengan adanya kepentingan bersama antar negara bertetangga yang berbatasan laut langsung untuk menjaga stabilitas keamanan laut di perbatasan yang selama ini secara rutin telah dilaksanakan patroli terkoordinasi India-Indonesia Coordinated Patrol (Indindo Corpat) dan kesepakatan pada tingkat pimpinan yang tertuang dalam Navy To Navy Talk (NTNT) yang digelar dan dievaluasi setiap tahun secara bergantian dan reciprocal.

Komandan Satgas menyampaikan “Latihan Bersama Samudera Sakti 2019 akan dilaksanakan 2 phase yaitu phase darat, dimana kita akan merencanakan latihan operasi dan selanjutnya akan dilaksanakan phase laut, yang tentunya dengan maneuver yaitu KRI Usman Harun-359 dan INS Kadmat-P29, dengan area latihan di perairan timur India teluk Benggala”.

Dril latihan yang akan dilaksanakan diantaranya adalah Joint Manoeuvres, Surface Warfare exercises, Anti Submarine Warfare (ASW) Exercises and Anti-Piracy Exercises.

“Latihan Bersama Samudera Sakti sangat penting untuk memperkuat hubungan diuplomasi militer Indonesia dengan India dan Counter Building Measure” pungkasnya.

Editor: (D.E.S)
This is great news. If navy can upgrade their own pangkalan udara that can be translated to more fixed wing for them whether its Light transport/medium transport/med MPA and perhaps larger MPA as all of them will require good base for logistics and supports. Perhaps this might be one of the reason some MPA still on the hand of airforce? Who knows maybe someday navy would resurect its own tech ska :D
 
:lol::frown::lol::frown:


My guess is they having disagreemant as well. Each branch wants to excel its capabilities, AU need MPA to target enemy ship/subs, AL needs the same thing and to make it worst they share the same budget. So yeah its kinda positive internal conflict for the greater good? The possible cure might be Network centric and database sharing which is up until now the base platform from each branch is still uncertain. I personally think MPA should exclusively be in Navy. Im not sure if Air Force have enough man power to process that sonar data. Then the data can be shared to the air force so everybody win? Easy to say than done I assume hehe

The last Army large training they introduce their own CMS/Battle management system (kinda) which is praised by Panglima. But then his statement made me thinking, Army build this?? Isnt it suppouse to be build to serve the whole branch?? So each building their own?? I can only wonder... :D


This is great news. If navy can upgrade their own pangkalan udara that can be translated to more fixed wing for them whether its Light transport/medium transport/med MPA and perhaps larger MPA as all of them will require good base for logistics and supports. Perhaps this might be one of the reason some MPA still on the hand of airforce? Who knows maybe someday navy would resurect its own tech ska :D
I was hoping for something like P8's coupled with triton plus incoming AWACS in mef 3 enough to patrol inside and outside EEZ with great capabilities & deterjen effect enough to ngusir nelayan tetangga since bu busi isnt on the office anymore.

But yeah we're in Indonesia so you have both the Navy and the Air Force fighting over who get's what. But IMO its more realistic if airforce get that toys. no need to build brand new sq or facilities, Just put that down on 5th squadron
 
Is heavy helicopter requirement still valid?

Oh wow thats a nice looking Helicopter. The good thing about US design is the "ergonomic" where each section has its own unique purpose to make the crew job easier. With foldable blade this thing can really do its job well for our makassar fleet/SSV. Very suitable for navy, and can be used for army as well thus solving the commonality issue (if army get chinook, i dont think navy wants chinook). But with 6 blades I can only imagine if its going to make all the "genteng rumah" fly everywhere when it lands around the kampung area just like Mi? Further assesment might be required for comparison but I like this one already over Chinook for both army and navy :D
 
Oh wow thats a nice looking Helicopter. The good thing about US design is the "ergonomic" where each section has its own unique purpose to make the crew job easier. With foldable blade this thing can really do its job well for our makassar fleet/SSV. Very suitable for navy, and can be used for army as well thus solving the commonality issue (if army get chinook, i dont think navy wants chinook). But with 6 blades I can only imagine if its going to make all the "genteng rumah" fly everywhere when it lands around the kampung area just like Mi? Further assesment might be required for comparison but I like this one already over Chinook for both army and navy :D
The CH-53's are in the same class as the Mi-26. You're going to see a lot of destroyed roofs if this thing flies low. The Chooks have less power than the Stallions and the Mi-26 hence why it won't readily blow away everything underneath it.

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Typically its due to the lack of technical knowledge and operating experience. And lately we can add the "alay" Indonesian medias into the equation of which I doubt whether or not those journalist even graduate Indonesia high school
It's even more telling how many would simply close their ears or call you out for knowing more than them even though you actually WORK in the industry in question and they don't.
 
with fly away price at 87.1 Million US$, i doubt we could afford CH-53k, Chinook is the right choice
 
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