Indonesia Defence Forum

[MarveL]

ready to be sent to Indonesia, just as Leo and Marder

 

[Viet]

5000 is too much you need to have 2500 to 3000 Tanks and 3000 + towed and self propelled Artillery and an Army with 400000 personal at least

with 5,000 Leopards and 3,000 armored vehicles Indonesia could succesfully invade indochinese mainland

nice tanks. for a country of your size, I think 1,000 MBTs are a good number.

 

[MarveL]

Indonesian Students in Jeddah Study Tour in KRI Bung Tomo

KRI Bung Tomo 357 stopped at Jeddah Islamic Port on Wednesday (20/08/2014). Arriving at the port, the crew immediately greeted by Defence Attaché Embassy in Riyadh, Colonel. Chb. Roedy Roemin and number of crew. Then, on Thursday afternoon (21/08/2014) Indonesia as many as 25 students of the Jeddah Indonesian School (JIS) accompanied by two teachers had the opportunity to see the inside of Bung Tomo 357 KRI

Crews performed Umrah while KRI Bung Tomo anchored in Jeddah. KRI Bung Tomo with gastric number 357 during a stopover in Jeddah Islamic Port of Saudi Arabia, Wednesday (20/08/2014).

 

[Nike]

@Viet

hardly needed thousands Main Battle Tank fleet like Leo-2, Just to have around 400 to 800 Leo-2 in inventory is more than enough to form four to six cavalry brigade and around one or two armored division. As archipelago country we must thinking on how to transport them around island to island, and surely to transporting a cavalry brigade with more than 100 Leo-2 and around 50 Marder 1A3 with their more than 1800 personnel and crew, we needed more than 8 LST with more than 3000 GWT for each ship, around two to four Logistic/Oiler ship, and five to seven Escort ship like Sigma Class frigate/corvette to accompany them.

 

[MarveL]

Xinhua News Agency August 8, 2014 11:31 August 8, 2014 11:31
Brunei, Indonesia hold inaugural Joint Defense Cooperation Committee meeting

Brunei, Indonesia hold inaugural Joint Defense Cooperation Committee meeting

BANDAR SERI BEGAWAN, Aug. 23 (Xinhua) -- Brunei and Indonesia have held the inaugural Joint Defense Cooperation Committee (JDCC) meeting at the Bolkiah Garrison, according to a report posted Saturday on the website of the Defense Ministry.

The meeting was co-chaired by the Permanent Secretary (Defense Policy and Development), Colonel (Rtd) Pg Dato Paduka Haji Azmansham bin Pg Haji Mohamad, Ministry of Defense, Brunei Darussalam and Defense Secretary General of Indonesia Leftenan Jenderal Ediwan Probowo.

The two sides discussed bilateral defense and military cooperation, including progress and activities under the BRUNESIA- High Level Committee, such as joint operations and exercises, as well as training and education.

They were also briefed on the upcoming event on the ADMM-Plus EWG MS/CT FTX and the Technical Workshop on Establishing A Direct Communications Link in the ASEAN Defense Ministers' Meeting Process.

The meeting marked a significant milestone in the strong bilateral relationship between the two ministries and further enhanced cooperation between the two armed forces.

The JDCC was formed as stipulated in article IV of the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between Brunei and Indonesia on defense cooperation signed in Jakarta, Indonesia on April 10, 2003.

Brunei, Indonesia hold inaugural Joint Defense Cooperation Committee meeting | GlobalPost

 

[MarveL]

KINGDOM
Indonesian navy ship leaves Jeddah after three-day port call

Students of the Indonesian School in Jeddah tour KRI Bung Tomo 357. — Courtesy photo

JEDDAH — A new Indonesian naval ship, KRI Bung Tomo 357, left Jeddah Islamic Port Saturday morning after a three-day transit.

Named after one of Indonesia's national heroes, Bung Tomo had arrived in Jeddah Wednesday morning while on its way to Jakarta from the UK where it was built.

While in transit, the crew made courtesy calls on port officials and the consul general of Indonesia, and performed Umrah in Makkah. A group of students from the Indonesian School in Jeddah had an opportunity to tour the ship and take a close look at the modern weapons on board.

"This is the third stop of KRI Bung Tomo (on its way) from the UK to Indonesia. Saudi Arabia has been chosen due to its excellent relations with Indonesia as demonstrated by the facilities and assistance extended to our ship and allowing its crew to perform Umrah," said the ship's commander Kol. Yayan Sofiyan.

"Our transit in Jeddah is also a part of our naval diplomacy to enhance bilateral relations between the two brotherly countries," he added.
On Friday night, KRI Bung Tomo hosted a cocktail party where a traditional Javanese dance and Poco-Poco dance, Indonesian martial arts and several other performances were held.

The reception was attended by Indonesia's Ambassador Abdurrahman Muhammad Fachir, Consul General Dharmakirty Syailendra Putra, Defense Attache in Riyadh Kol. Chb. Roedy Roemin, prominent members of Indonesian community, diplomats from southeast Asian countries and local officials.

In his address, the ambassador thanked the commander of the western fleet of Royal Saudi Navy for the hospitality and cooperation extended to KRI Bung Tomo and its crew.

"The procurement of KRI Bung Tomo 357 and two other ships of the same type has been the realization of a long-term modernization blueprint of its defense. As the world's largest archipelago comprising more than 17,000 islands, Indonesia needs to strengthen its naval defense to protect its vast boundaries," he said.

He added that Indonesian navy is obliged to ensure safety and security to ships crossing Indonesia's territorial waters. — SG

Indonesian navy ship leaves Jeddah after three-day port call | Kingdom | Saudi Gazette

 

[Nike]

Security Preparation for UNAOC Conference in which will be held in Bali this month, this conference will be attended by prominent figure such as Ban Ki Moon, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, Joko Widodo, and other VVIP guest from around the world

Anggota Komando Pasukan Khusus (Kopassus) menyiapkan perlengkapan dan persenjataan saat Gelar Pasukan Pengamanan Forum Global ke-6 Aliansi Peradaban PBB (UNAOC) di Nusa Dua, Bali, Senin (25/8). Kegiatan yang akan berlangsung 28-30 Agustus tersebut rencananya dihadiri Sekjen PBB, Ban Ki Moon, Presiden Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono dan sejumlah kepala/wakil pemerintahan. (ANTARA FOTO/Nyoman Budhiana)

Prajurit TNI Yonif 900 Raider menuju medan tugas seusai Gelar Pasukan Pengamanan Forum Global ke-6 Aliansi Peradaban PBB (UNAOC) di Nusa Dua, bali, Senin (25/8). Kegiatan yang akan berlangsung 28-30 Agustus tersebut rencananya dihadiri Sekjen PBB, Ban Ki Moon, Presiden Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono dan sejumlah kepala/wakil pemerintahan. (ANTARA FOTO/Nyoman Budhiana)

Prajurit TNI Kodam IX Udayana menyiapkan persenjataan dan kendaraan tempur saat Gelar Pasukan Pengamanan Forum Global ke-6 Aliansi Peradaban PBB (UNAOC) di Nusa Dua, Bali, Senin (25/8). Kegiatan yang akan berlangsung 28-30 Agustus tersebut rencananya dihadiri Sekjen PBB, Ban Ki Moon, Presiden Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono dan sejumlah kepala/wakil pemerintahan. (ANTARA FOTO/Nyoman Budhiana)

 

[Viet]

@Viet

hardly needed thousands Main Battle Tank fleet like Leo-2, Just to have around 400 to 800 Leo-2 in inventory is more than enough to form four to six cavalry brigade and around one or two armored division. As archipelago country we must thinking on how to transport them around island to island, and surely to transporting a cavalry brigade with more than 100 Leo-2 and around 50 Marder 1A3 with their more than 1800 personnel and crew, we needed more than 8 LST with more than 3000 GWT for each ship, around two to four Logistic/Oiler ship, and five to seven Escort ship like Sigma Class frigate/corvette to accompany them.

No, my friend, you need to put more on the poker table.

with 800 heavy tanks, you could start an ground invasion of Malaysia. I think your armed forces in 10 years can conquer Malaysia. the long time frame is needed to prepare an invasion. look at the historial invasions and considering you are not ready yet. however, to invade indochinese mainlaind (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand and Burma), you need more. I guess 5,000 heavy tanks at least and 5,000 other armored vehicles. Vietnam ground force alone has more than 2,000 heavy tanks and many 1,000s other armored vehicles. Surely, these assets are not modern, but still pose a high challenge for a hostile invasion force.

to successfully land on enemy shores (for example Vietnam), you need superiority in sea and arial theaters. you practically need at least the size of the chinese combined naval fleet and the power of japanese airforces.

I don´t take Singapore modern armed forces into the consideration.

all just a theoretical thought in case, Indonesia has territorial ambition and wants to become the boss of SE Asia

 

[Nike]

meh we only need to build a large navy and air forces, then no one dare to land in one of Indonesian island.

 

[Jakartans@PkDef]

with 800 heavy tanks, you could start an ground invasion of Malaysia. I think your armed forces in 10 years can conquer Malaysia. the long time frame is needed to prepare an invasion. look at the historial invasions and considering you are not ready yet. however, to invade indochinese mainlaind (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand and Burma), you need more. I guess 5,000 heavy tanks at least and 5,000 other armored vehicles. Vietnam ground force alone has more than 2,000 heavy tanks and many 1,000s other armored vehicles. Surely, these assets are not modern, but still pose a high challenge for a hostile invasion force.
to successfully land on enemy shores (for example Vietnam), you need superiority in sea and arial theaters. you practically need at least the size of the chinese combined naval fleet and the power of japanese airforces.
I don´t take Singapore modern armed forces into the consideration.
all just a theoretical thought in case, Indonesia has territorial ambition and wants to become the boss of SE Asia

In the 60's confrontation against Malaysia, Indonesia main goal is not invading Malaysia but to provoke locals to join forces against Western backed Malaysia government which is failed since there are no local insurgencies inside Malaysia. Our past leader clearly missed that. Its different situation compared to what North Vietnam did to South Vietnam. During that period the Vietcong guerrilla already present as insurgents threat to Saigon.
Indonesia doesnt have territorial ambition, more territory meaning more people to manage and governed. And we had enough of it. We doesnt live in the Cold War era where spreading ideology is worth fighting for (unless you are a jihadic psychopath dreamed about medieval glory like ISIS)
So the rational and possible motives for territorial expansion must be for natural resources. And that territory is definitely not on land. All Asean Gas and oil resources lays on open water like in SCS. For that you really need to build your Navy & Air Force because MBT's are no use for that.

 

[Zarvan]

meh we only need to build a large navy and air forces, then no one dare to land in one of Indonesian island.

No you also need large Army troops on ground are always important to have

 

[Jakartans@PkDef]

No you also need large Army troops on ground are always important to have

Our main doctrine of defence since Independence day is called HANKAMRATA the Total War Defense participation of military, civilian combantant and non combatants.
Its a doctrine based on the worst case scenario where our regular army and all our main military equipment are crippled and overruns by the invaders. We developed system that even when the invaders hold our capital and major cities, our government still ruled and able to conduct mass guerrilla warfare in all our territory. Just like during the independence war situation when our leaders are taking captive by the Dutch and Allied military, the rest of the army blended and mixed with local militias conducting seperated military uprising and guerrilla warfare all across our vast archipelago. Different tribes, ethnic but still fight under the same banners and not fall into disintegration.
This doctrines developed to prepared us to fight against superior external forces (such as the superpower nations).
Our soldiers are trained in modern methods of fighting and accustomed to operate modern weapons and technology, but they can easily switched to fight as guerrilla forces.
Thats why the majority of our army organization based on battalion level, not division or brigade level. This is to make it easier to operates in guerrilla warfares.
Only Kostrad and the Marine Corps organized in Division level,but all territorial army are fashioned in battalion level.

 

[Nike]

Our main doctrine of defence since Independence day is called HANKAMRATA the Total War Defense participation of military, civilian combantant and non combatants.
Its a doctrine based on the worst case scenario where our regular army and all our main military equipment are crippled and overruns by the invaders. We developed system that even when the invaders hold our capital and major cities, our government still ruled and able to conduct mass guerrilla warfare in all our territory. Just like during the independence war situation when our leaders are taking captive by the Dutch and Allied military, the rest of the army blended and mixed with local militias conducting seperated military uprising and guerrilla warfare all across our vast archipelago. Different tribes, ethnic but still fight under the same banners and not fall into disintegration.
This doctrines developed to prepared us to fight against superior external forces (such as the superpower nations).
Our soldiers are trained in modern methods of fighting and accustomed to operate modern weapons and technology, but they can easily switched to fight as guerrilla forces.
Thats why the majority of our army organization based on battalion level, not division or brigade level. This is to make it easier to operates in guerrilla warfares.
Only Kostrad and the Marine Corps organized in Division level,but all territorial army are fashioned in battalion level.

we are far from the words of had been prepared to fight against any ground invasion, how much percentage of our peoples has doing any combat training or military drill? how much Indonesia has military stockpiles to arms and sustain any prolonged combats for all able bodied peoples to face against such forces? We are far cry from Hankamrata, to throwing peoples without arms nor military skills against such superior firepower of our enemy is a sin, a big ones.

 

[Jakartans@PkDef]

we are far from the words of had been prepared to fight against any ground invasion, how much percentage of our peoples has doing any combat training or military drill? how much Indonesia has military stockpiles to arms and sustain any prolonged combats for all able bodied peoples to face against such forces? We are far cry from Hankamrata, to throwing peoples without arms nor military skills against such superior firepower of our enemy is a sin, a big ones.

So you think Hankamrata is all out fight to the death of all people? you totally wrong.
Its not throwing civilians into armed fight, the fight would be conducted by our military forces but with the ability to switch from conventional warfare into guerrilla warfare. Hankamrata doesnt mean all people going all out last stand kind of thing, it means people and soldiers are becoming one, supporting each other. To conduct guerrilla warfare you need the support of local people.
This is one of the objective of what we called "Pembinaan teritorial" conducted by BABINSA up to "Penyuluh Pertanian" at the village level. This is based on the scenario when all our main weapons and main striking force (Kostrad & Marine Corps) are overrun by larger attacking forces so territorial army (in battalion level) can continue their resistance in guerrilla warfares relying on local civilian supports in logistic.

 

[Nike]

So you think Hankamrata is all out fight to the death of all people? you totally wrong.
Its not throwing civilians into armed fight, the fight would be conducted by our military forces but with the ability to switch from conventional warfare into guerrilla warfare. Hankamrata doesnt mean all people going all out last stand kind of thing, it means people and soldiers are becoming one, supporting each other. To conduct guerrilla warfare you need the support of local people.
This is one of the objective of what we called "Pembinaan teritorial" conducted by BABINSA up to "Penyuluh Pertanian" at the village level. This is based on the scenario when all our main weapons and main striking force (Kostrad & Marine Corps) are overrun by larger attacking forces so territorial army (in battalion level) can continue their resistance in guerrilla warfares relying on local civilian supports in logistic.

to put our army blended with Civilian in our territory itself has a meaning of throwing up our people into the fight, and it means the enemy has every rights to burn and destroying any Civilian facility to reduce our capability to put a struggle.

That's why US can inflict horrendous casualties among Vietnamese civilian in Vietnam war. I am very against to put one of our layer defense strategy into Hankamrata scenario.