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[striver44]

Thats why i guessing the same thing it could be fully equipped.

Actually to save cost, the navy shouldve just reused the 76mm gun now present onboard the retired Van speijk's. Instead of buying new.....

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Actually to save cost, the navy shouldve just reused the 76mm gun now present onboard the retired Van speijk's. Instead of buying new.....

Beli baru aja. Ganti CIWS. Buy new. Get CIWS.

 

[deadlast]

Actually to save cost, the navy shouldve just reused the 76mm gun now present onboard the retired Van speijk's. Instead of buying new.....

Nah, they are already quite dated, better buy brand new Super Rapid or the new STRALES version instead. The gun fitted to Van Speijk-class was OTO-Melara 76mm gun Compact version, not the Super Rapid version that already been fitted to Diponegoro, Martadinata and Bung Tomo-class ships. They are differed by their limited ROF of only 80 rpm compared to 120 rpm on Super Rapid version, and they are also known to have reliability and accuracy problems.

There are reports that the Compact has reliability and accuracy problems. When fired at maximum ROF, there is a tendency for the mount to "self-destruct," in the words of one of the Project Engineers who worked on the weapon. During a test shoot, the weapon was unable to hold a 20-round burst on a 20 x 20 foot (6m x 6m) target at 500 yards (460 m).
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http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_3-62_mk75.php

 

[Mr. Woof Woof]

Actually to save cost, the navy shouldve just reused the 76mm gun now present onboard the retired Van speijk's. Instead of buying new.....

Nope, 76 mm ex retired Van Speijk will be installed on Bakamla's ship.

Hmmmm is it possible that it comes already fully equiped?rather than FFBNW

I think it will be equiped with radars (including fcr), sonars, other sensors, decoys, Sewaco, torpedo tubes, 127 mm naval gun, 2 oerlikon millenium.

But for vls cells and other launchers including their missiles, has not been installed (still ffbnw)

 

[Mr. Woof Woof]

Please also remember that the amount of usd 720 million is a foreign loan budget (rencana pinjaman luar negeri) only.

Lha dana pendampingnya yang untuk down payment berapa ?

Taruhlah 60% loan and 40% cash.

If the amount of usd 720 million is 60% or 0.6, thus :

720 / 0,6 = 1200

Thus total budget will be usd 1200 million for 2 vessels fully equipped with weapons, amo, sensors, and launchers. In the other word it will need usd 600 million to build one unit of iver class frigate fully equipped.

 

[Nike]

Indonesia Army Kostrad Chief looking at new model of Combat vest and uniform from Sritex PT

 

[Nike]

Dynamic test of Indonesia made rocket launcher system on T50

 

[mandala]

"A variant of Denmark's Iver Huitfeldt class has emerged as a front-runner in Indonesia's USD720 million two-frigate acquisition programme"

^^^ Curious as this is a new Iver Huitfeldt variant. Waiting for a CGI on the variant design to be publish. I am sure that Damen will try very hard to pitch in their Omega Frigate.

 

[striver44]

Nope, 76 mm ex retired Van Speijk will be installed on Bakamla's ship.

Source please

 

[Svantana]

 

[deadlast]

"A variant of Denmark's Iver Huitfeldt class has emerged as a front-runner in Indonesia's USD720 million two-frigate acquisition programme"

^^^ Curious as this is a new Iver Huitfeldt variant. Waiting for a CGI on the variant design to be publish. I am sure that Damen will try very hard to pitch in their Omega Frigate.

Well, not really related but here's what they submitted for British Type 31e General Purpose Frigate program called "Arrowhead 140" design, derived from their original Iver Huitfeldt-class design tailored for specific Royal Navy's requirements.

The design that we consider could have a vastly different specification altogether from this "Arrowhead 140" design though.

 

[Mr. Woof Woof]

Source please

Striver,

Our bakamla ships still has no naval gun, but it will be fulfilled.

Here is the source :

https://www.google.com/amp/s/lancer...ya-kapal-bakamla-setara-alutsista-tni-al/amp/

If our six of van speijk class (or in other name Leander class) will be retired, their 76 mm compact oto melara still can be used since we have bought these six of 76 mm together with four of 76 mm compact oto melara installed on our four sigma 9113. Thus these 76 mm are still not old.

Source : the market for naval surface warfare systems - product code #f675 issued by forecast international.

Just search in the google "otomelara 76 mm forecast".

 

[GraveDigger388]

Striver,

Our bakamla ships still has no naval gun, but it will be fulfilled.

Here is the source :

https://www.google.com/amp/s/lancer...ya-kapal-bakamla-setara-alutsista-tni-al/amp/

If our six of van speijk class (or in other name Leander class) will be retired, their 76 mm compact oto melara still can be used since we have bought these six of 76 mm together with four of 76 mm compact oto melara installed on our four sigma 9113. Thus these 76 mm are still not old.

Source : the market for naval surface warfare systems - product code #f675 issued by forecast international.

Just search in the google "otomelara 76 mm forecast".

Hold on a second. Is it even allowed for Coast Guard ships to have such armament?

 

[striver44]

Striver,

Our bakamla ships still has no naval gun, but it will be fulfilled.

Here is the source :

https://www.google.com/amp/s/lancer...ya-kapal-bakamla-setara-alutsista-tni-al/amp/

If our six of van speijk class (or in other name Leander class) will be retired, their 76 mm compact oto melara still can be used since we have bought these six of 76 mm together with four of 76 mm compact oto melara installed on our four sigma 9113. Thus these 76 mm are still not old.

Source : the market for naval surface warfare systems - product code #f675 issued by forecast international.

Just search in the google "otomelara 76 mm forecast".

Hold on a second. Is it even allowed for Coast Guard ships to have such armament?

why not.....see hamilton class cutter

 

[deadlast]

(Snipped...) we have bought these six of 76 mm together with four of 76 mm compact oto melara installed on our four sigma 9113.

No, the one fitted to Diponegoro-class was not OTO-Melara 76mm Compact version but instead a Super Rapid version, the only 76mm compact version in TNI-AL inventory was mounted on Van Speijk-class frigate.

Also, the Van Speijk-class OTO-Melara 76mm gun was fitted since their last modernization in 1976 when they're still part of Royal Netherlands Navy services, not bought together with Diponegoro-class gun that was procured around 2004. Thus, in fact they are already (too) old.