Indonesia Defence Forum

[Jakartans@PkDef]

Sorry Sir less than 300000 should not be an option Indonesia should have 400000 of Army at least and 60000 each Navy and Air Force that makes total of 520000 of total Armed Forces and should have around 200000 highly trained and equipped Para Military
and 40000 Marines are part of Navy right ?

Totally agree with you brother, with more than 18,000 islands, our country needs both presence (Quantity) and mobility (Quality). Having a standing Armed Forces totaling around 500,000 personnel is the ideal numbers since Indonesia ranked 5th in the world and ranked 3rd in Asia in population (Behind China and India).

Yes, the marines are part of Navy.

Just for your Info, apart from the Armed Forces, we have around 450,000 police personnel include about 47,000 to 50,000 Police Mobile Brigade (Para-Military / heavy armed) police units specialized in fighting insurgency all across Indonesia as Rapid Deployment Forces (They have their own wheeled armored tactical vehicles). We also have 5 Detachment of GEGANA (Police Special Force / SWAT units) and about 500 members of Densus 88 unit (Special Detachment 88 - Anti Terror Unit) which is operated as intelligence-commando style unit specialized for hunting terrorist group such as the Jama'ah Islamiyah and other Al-Qaeda related terror group in Indonesia. This anti terror unit is heavily sponsored and armed-to-the-teeth by US and Australia.

So right now, the combined Armed Forces and Police Force in Indonesia is about 900,000 personnel.

 

[Zarvan]

Totally agree with you brother, with more than 18,000 islands, our country needs both presence (Quantity) and mobility (Quality). Having a standing Armed Forces totaling around 500,000 personnel is the ideal numbers since Indonesia ranked 5th in the world and ranked 3rd in Asia in population (Behind China and India).

Yes, the marines are part of Navy.

Just for your Info, apart from the Armed Forces, we have around 450,000 police personnel include about 47,000 to 50,000 Police Mobile Brigade (Para-Military / heavy armed) police units specialized in fighting insurgency all across Indonesia as Rapid Deployment Forces (They have their own wheeled armored tactical vehicles). We also have 5 Detachment of GEGANA (Police Special Force / SWAT units) and about 500 members of Densus 88 unit (Special Detachment 88 - Anti Terror Unit) which is operated as intelligence-commando style unit specialized for hunting terrorist group such as the Jama'ah Islamiyah and other Al-Qaeda related terror group in Indonesia. This anti terror unit is heavily sponsored and armed-to-the-teeth by US and Australia.

So right now, the combined Armed Forces and Police Force in Indonesia is about 900,000 personnel.

Sorry but you are 4th in population not 3rd the 3rd position is of USA which has population of 35000000

 

[Nike]

@Zarvan, for the army we are currently implement zero growth policy, and as @Jakartans@PkDef has said before, the army will be staying put their number in around 300.000 man, but what will make it difference this time is the army will add more firepower into the existing unit and reorganize them into more capable combat formation units.

Meanwhile the Navy and the Air Force will saw more rapid expansion either in the number of platforms to be acquired in near future and the term of manpower. Navy especially they need more man for Marine Corps and sailor for armada.

and adding what Jakartans has stated

Indonesia too has their own paramilitary units and organized militia in which has been trained by army unit, such as Menwa, Korps Lintas Masyarakat and so on and some of them got exercise with rifle and other weaponry. Their number is about half million strong.

 

[Zarvan]

@Zarvan, for the army we are currently implement zero growth policy, and as @Jakartans@PkDef has said before, the army will be staying put their number in around 300.000 man, but what will make it difference this time is the army will add more firepower into the existing unit and reorganize them into more capable combat formation units.

Meanwhile the Navy and the Air Force will saw more rapid expansion either in the number of platforms to be acquired in near future and the term of manpower. Navy especially they need more man for Marine Corps and sailor for armada.

and adding what Jakartans has stated

Indonesia too has their own paramilitary units and organized militia in which has been trained by army unit, such as Menwa, Korps Lintas Masyarakat and so on and some of them got exercise with rifle and other weaponry. Their number is about half million strong.

I am really sorry but its only Navy which is seeing Rapid Growth just like Bangladesh and the Area you have to cover you need to have around 400000 at least in Army alone

 

[Nike]

I am really sorry but its only Navy which is seeing Rapid Growth just like Bangladesh and the Area you have to cover you need to have around 400000 at least in Army alone

Unlike Bangladesh in which using their own Army as their main Strike Combatant unit, we are using our own Marine Corps, and our Marine corps number is quite large and still they keep expanding their number of forces and organizations. With 60.000 strong (we will forming around four Marine Division), and will be supported by some 800 armor in near future with more than 300 artillery pieces our Marines unit will be the largest in ASEAN and will be enough to handle any amphibious forces in the world except US Marine forces.

 

[Harkness]

PT PAL handover Fast Missile Craft KCR-60M to the Navy.

Got no picture yet. anybody?


PT PAL Serahkan Kapal Cepat Rudal Ke TNI AL
Peni Widarti - 28 Mei 2014, 05:41 WIB

SURABAYA — PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) kembali meluncurkan Kapal Cepat Rudal (KCR) 60 meter yang kedua, sekaligus menyerahkan KCR-60 yang pertama kepada TNI Angkatan Laut, Rabu 28 Mei 2014.

Direktur Utama PAL Indonesia M Firmansyah Arifin mengatakan dua dari tiga kapal pesanan Kementerian Pertahanan tersebut dikerjakan dengan tepat waktu sesuai perencanaan.

"Setelah peluncuran ini, rencananya KCR-60 yang kedua akan diserahterimakan pada Juli 2014, sedangkan KCR-60 yang ketiga rencananya pada September 2014," katanya kepada Bisnis, Senin (26/5/2014).

Firmansyah mengatakan kapal berkapasitas 55 orang tersebut diproduksi untuk memenuhi kebutuhan persenjataan yang ada sesuai dengan Undang-Undang No.16 Tahun 2012 tentang Industri Pertahanan.

"Sebagai Negara Kepulauan, Indonesia punya 9 pintu melewati wilayah laut, untuk itu diperlukan kapal perang," ujarnya.

Dia menjelaskan KCR-60 pertama bernama KRI Sampari itu telah melalui proses pengujian dari para ahli dan teknisi sesuai standar yang dipersyaratkan. Pengukuhan penyerahan KCR-60 yang pertama ini diresmikan oleh Menteri Pertahanan Purnomo Yusgiantoro.

"Kami juga berencana mengikutkan kapal KCR ini dalam pameran ADAS 2014 a Defence Manila, di Filipina pada 16-18 Juli 2014. Melalui pameran, kami berharap ke depan ada order KCR lagi," imbuhnya.

Adapun KCR-60 meter memiliki fungsi sebagai kapal patroli dengan kemampuan melumpuhkan sasaran di atas permukaan laut maupun udara. Selain itu memiliki kemampuan dalam pengintaian, tugas-tugas SAR, amphibious raid, dan lawan infiltrasi. Kapal tersebut dirancang untuk bisa dipasangi senjata meriam hingga kaliber 57 mm di bagian depan kapal, dan pelucur rudal di bagian belakang kapal.

Dalam pengerjaan 3 proyek kapal perang senilai Rp375 miliar, PAL Indonesia konsisten menggunakan bahan baku dalam negeri sebanyak 35% sesuai regulasi pemerintah, sedangkan 65% impor dari Eropa dan Korea Selatan. Menurut Firmansyah, komponen impor seperti persenjataan, navigasi dan sensor belum dapat diperoleh dari dalam negeri sehingga masih memerlukan komponen asing.

"Perlahan kami terus mengarah dalam penggunaan komponen dalam negeri. Namun beberapa komponen lain sudah ada di sini bahkan pengerjaannya asli karya anak bangsa," tuturnya.

Hingga saat ini PAL Indonesia telah memproduksi 43 kapal patroli mulai berukuran 28 meter hingga 57 meter, serta kapal Perusak Kawal Rudal (PKR) 105. Saat ini, PAL Indonesia juga tengah menyiapkan fasilitas atau sarana pembangunan untuk pembuatan kapal selam

KRI Sampari 628

Menhan Purnomo Yusgiantoro (kiri), salam komando dengan KSAL, Laksamana TNI Marsetio, usai peninjauan Kapal Cepat Rudal (KCR) KRI Sampari-628, yang diserahkan di PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) Surabaya, Rabu (28/5). (Antara/Eric Ireng)

Menhan Purnomo Yusgiantoro (tengah), bersama KSAL, Laksamana TNI Marsetio (kanan), dan Dirut PT PAL Indonesia (Persero), M Firmansyah Arifin di PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) Surabaya, Rabu (28/5).(Antara/Eric Ireng)

Seorang pekerja berada tak jauh dari Kapal Cepat Rudal (KCR) KRI Sampari-628, saat penyerahan di PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) Surabaya, Rabu (28/5). (Antara/Eric Ireng)

all photos credit to : Republikaonline

 

[MarveL]

KRI Sampari 628

all photos credit to : Republikaonline

Armament KCR 60:

2 × C-705 SSM
1 × 57 mm Bofors 57mm
2 × 20 mm Denel Vektor G12

 

[Wahhab2701]

PT PAL handover Fast Missile Craft KCR-60M to the Navy.

Got no picture yet. anybody?


PT PAL Serahkan Kapal Cepat Rudal Ke TNI AL
Peni Widarti - 28 Mei 2014, 05:41 WIB

SURABAYA — PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) kembali meluncurkan Kapal Cepat Rudal (KCR) 60 meter yang kedua, sekaligus menyerahkan KCR-60 yang pertama kepada TNI Angkatan Laut, Rabu 28 Mei 2014.

Direktur Utama PAL Indonesia M Firmansyah Arifin mengatakan dua dari tiga kapal pesanan Kementerian Pertahanan tersebut dikerjakan dengan tepat waktu sesuai perencanaan.

"Setelah peluncuran ini, rencananya KCR-60 yang kedua akan diserahterimakan pada Juli 2014, sedangkan KCR-60 yang ketiga rencananya pada September 2014," katanya kepada Bisnis, Senin (26/5/2014).

Firmansyah mengatakan kapal berkapasitas 55 orang tersebut diproduksi untuk memenuhi kebutuhan persenjataan yang ada sesuai dengan Undang-Undang No.16 Tahun 2012 tentang Industri Pertahanan.

"Sebagai Negara Kepulauan, Indonesia punya 9 pintu melewati wilayah laut, untuk itu diperlukan kapal perang," ujarnya.

Dia menjelaskan KCR-60 pertama bernama KRI Sampari itu telah melalui proses pengujian dari para ahli dan teknisi sesuai standar yang dipersyaratkan. Pengukuhan penyerahan KCR-60 yang pertama ini diresmikan oleh Menteri Pertahanan Purnomo Yusgiantoro.

"Kami juga berencana mengikutkan kapal KCR ini dalam pameran ADAS 2014 a Defence Manila, di Filipina pada 16-18 Juli 2014. Melalui pameran, kami berharap ke depan ada order KCR lagi," imbuhnya.

Adapun KCR-60 meter memiliki fungsi sebagai kapal patroli dengan kemampuan melumpuhkan sasaran di atas permukaan laut maupun udara. Selain itu memiliki kemampuan dalam pengintaian, tugas-tugas SAR, amphibious raid, dan lawan infiltrasi. Kapal tersebut dirancang untuk bisa dipasangi senjata meriam hingga kaliber 57 mm di bagian depan kapal, dan pelucur rudal di bagian belakang kapal.

Dalam pengerjaan 3 proyek kapal perang senilai Rp375 miliar, PAL Indonesia konsisten menggunakan bahan baku dalam negeri sebanyak 35% sesuai regulasi pemerintah, sedangkan 65% impor dari Eropa dan Korea Selatan. Menurut Firmansyah, komponen impor seperti persenjataan, navigasi dan sensor belum dapat diperoleh dari dalam negeri sehingga masih memerlukan komponen asing.

"Perlahan kami terus mengarah dalam penggunaan komponen dalam negeri. Namun beberapa komponen lain sudah ada di sini bahkan pengerjaannya asli karya anak bangsa," tuturnya.

Hingga saat ini PAL Indonesia telah memproduksi 43 kapal patroli mulai berukuran 28 meter hingga 57 meter, serta kapal Perusak Kawal Rudal (PKR) 105. Saat ini, PAL Indonesia juga tengah menyiapkan fasilitas atau sarana pembangunan untuk pembuatan kapal selam

PT PAL Serahkan Kapal Cepat Rudal ke TNI AL | Jawa Timur – Bisnis.com


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MeanwhileTribunnews got this KCR picture in their article

Hari ini, PT PAL Luncurkan Kapal Cepat Rudal - Tribunnews.com

Yahoonews

Hari ini, PT PAL Luncurkan Kapal Cepat Rudal - Yahoo News Indonesia

Hmmmm...the article said that the missile boat will have some kind of air defense capability. I am wondering what weapon will be used for that purpose, SAM?. Yahoo and Tribunnews are unbelievable, they could have been better in their reporting.

 

[Harkness]

Armament KCR 60:

2 × C-705 SSM
1 × 57 mm Bofors 57mm
2 × 20 mm Denel Vektor G12

only 2 AShM? i found something interesting on this article

Wednesday, 28 May, 2014 | 16:14 WIB
Indonesia Completes 60M Fast Missile Craft

TEMPO.CO, Jakarta - PT PAL Indonesia has completed a primary weaponry defense system project, 60 Meter Fast Missile Craft, for the Indonesian Navy. The boat is called KRI Sampari-628.

"The craft is to reinforce the Navy to secure Indonesian sea territories," Indonesian defense minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro said on Wednesday, May 28, 2014.

"In addition to KRI Sampari-628, PT PAL is also working on to other units, KRI Tombak-629 and KRI Halasan-630, which are to be completed in July and September 2014."

Every unit is armed with canons and two C705 and C802 missiles with 140-kilometer range. Purnomo believed that the crafts are sophisticated and reliable for maritime operations.

PAL Indonesia's chairman Firmansyah Arifin said KRI Sampari-628 has undergone series of sea trials. Based on the tests, the craft has met the required standards.

"The last one was Commodore Inspection on May 27. All basic functions are running properly," Firmansyah said.

The Indonesian Navy chief of staff Admirral Marsetio said the craft is equal to American-made offshore petro vessel type. The project for the three crafts costs about US$31.25 million.



DIANANTA P. SUMEDI

so each vessel will be carrying 2 different type of AShM?

btw another pics of KRI Sampari - 628

Personel TNI AL berbaris saat peninjauan Kapal Cepat Rudal (KCR) KRI Sampari-628 oleh Menteri Pertahanan Purnomo Yusgiantoro dan KSAL Laksamana TNI Marsetio di sela acara serah terima di PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) Surabaya, Jawa Timur, Rabu (28/05/2014)..

Menteri Pertahanan Purnomo Yusgiantoro (kiri) bersama KSAL Laksamana TNI Marsetio melakukan salam komando seusai peninjauan Kapal Cepat Rudal (KCR) KRI Sampari-628.

KRI Sampari-628, satu dari tiga KCR-60M pesanan TNI AL diserahkan PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) kepada Kementerian Pertahanan sebagai langkah modernisasi dan memenuhi kebutuhan persenjataan yang ada, serta untuk kemandirian pemenuhan alutsista.

the site says this pic below is KRI Sampari 628 but the hull number on the ship is 629. so i think this is the second ship of KCR60 class - KRI Tombak 629

all photos credit to : SindoNews Photo

 

[Jakartans@PkDef]

Sorry but you are 4th in population not 3rd the 3rd position is of USA which has population of 35000000

I made a mistake, Indonesia ranked 4th in the World (China, India and US) but i am correct to say that in Asia, Indonesia ranked 3rd (Below China and India).

As @madokafc said, we try to adopt zero growth policy in military menpower to have better quality armed forces as standing army at any time.
Of course in my opinion 300,000 is not good number if we are talk about presence in our 18,000 islands.
But if our government is committed to develop our Para-Military resources effectively, i think we can get the ideal condition.
In other part, we are focusing in recruiting more police officers especially police women since our leaders are committed to build a democratic country with strong law enforcement elements.

 

[Indos]

Hmmmm...the article said that the missile boat will have some kind of air defense capability. I am wondering what weapon will be used for that purpose, SAM?. Yahoo and Tribunnews are unbelievable, they could have been better in their reporting.

Potentially just AK-630 CIWS just like our two KCR 40.....

I like CIWS that also has missile on it though

Russian is a good choice to avoid any future embargo

They don't have specialized reporter on defense I believe

 

[Wahhab2701]

Potentially just AK-630 CIWS just like our two KCR 40.....

I like CIWS that also has missile on it though

They don't have specialized reporter on defense I believe

So what is the purpose of having these bigger missile boat? I mean what advantages these KCR-60 could give that our smaller KCR-40 can't? any info bro?

 

[Indos]

So what is the purpose of having these bigger missile boat? I mean what advantages these KCR-60 could give that our smaller KCR-40 can't? any info bro?

Bigger platform can equip bigger and heavier weapon, better choice for future upgrade I think.

Beside that, PT PAL has many experience producing 57 M long patrol ship before. KCR-40 is produced by private company, not PAL. Smaller ship is more stealthy tough, actually it is difficult to detect small ship on sea, wave can make the ship difficult to be seen by radar.

 

[Wahhab2701]

Bigger platform can equip bigger and heavier weapon, better choice for future upgrade I think.

Beside that, PT PAL has many experience producing 57 M long patrol ship before. KCR-40 is produced by private company, not PAL. Smaller ship is more stealthy tough, actually it is difficult to detect small ship on sea, wave can make the ship difficult to be seen by radar.

I see. Thanks bro

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Indonesia plans to open maintenance centre for Russia-made helicopters
World
May 28, 9:11 UTC+4
Helicopters will be used by several Indonesian agencies and companies, including the National Agency of Emergency Situations

© ITAR-TASS



Russia to complete delivery of 48 Mi-171 helicopters to China in summer 2014
BANGKOK, May 28./ITAR-TASS/. Indonesia, a country in Southeast Asia, plans to open a maintenance centre to service Russia-made helicopters. Four civil helicopters Mil Mi-171 were delivered to Indonesia in early May, the Russian embassy in that country told ITAR-TASS on Wednesday.
Helicopters will be used by several Indonesian agencies and companies, including the National Agency of Emergency Situations. “Creation of a maintenance centre to service this type of Russian aircrafts is on agenda. Its delivery is planned to enlarge to Indonesia,” the Russian diplomatic mission noted.

Meanwhile, supplies of one more type of Russian machinery began to Indonesia in early May. Four trucks KAMAZ were delivered to the country on the order from Indonesian company Tehnika Ina to pass certification. Certification of Russian vehicles is expected to be finalized in September.

“Russia hopes for further successful implementation of joint projects with Indonesian partners on a broad range of trends, including construction of a road infrastructure, reprocessing of mineral resources, civil aviation and others,” the Russian embassy noted.

ITAR-TASS: World - Indonesia plans to open maintenance centre for Russia-made helicopters