Indo-Pak talks were a waste of time: Parthasarthy

[equiliz3r]

this is what he meant

ya mossad like tactics...................kill terrorist where ever they are hiding

 

[pak-yes]

I understand the role of India in mukti bahni was significant. But India did not form mukti bahni, but it merely took advantage of the situation. There was too much unrest already when India decided to add fuel to the fire. People were ready to take up arms, so India provided them with weapons. India helped them financially, make plans, co-ordinate, get local support. But India did not start it.

As it is mukti bahni can not be termed as terror organization. There was a reason it was formed.

Right.But my Point you have used Proxies against Pakistan in the Past so it would be a lie to say that Innocent India doesn't know anything about doing Bomb Blasts in Lahore.

 

[equiliz3r]

Right.But my Point you have used Proxies against Pakistan in the Past so it would be a lie to say that Innocent India doesn't know anything about doing Bomb Blasts in Lahore.

you talking about recent blast in lahore?...........those were treble.

But it was not India................it was Taliban who did this...........they claimed too.
And Taliban is not created by India

 

[pak-yes]

you talking about recent blast in lahore?...........those were treble.

But it was not India................it was Taliban who did this...........they claimed too.
And Taliban is not created by India

Ufffff Man i am talking about general Indian Support for Terrorism not some specific Instance.

Ya India didn't created TTP but has been supplying tons of explosives(5 Tons just recovered in Lahore.Imagine 5 Tons.I mean that much explosive is used on Missile warheads),Training,Heavy Weaponry through it's terror Training Centers in Afghanistan.

Man our ISI is a dud agency.I mean what are they waiting for blow so called Indian Consulates in Afghanistan or Abduct Indian Diplomatic Staff bring them to justice to Pakistan or just eliminate them Israel Style.

 

[equiliz3r]

Ufffff Man i am talking about general Indian Support for Terrorism not some specific Instance.

Ya India didn't created TTP but has been supplying tons of explosives(5 Tons just recovered in Lahore.Imagine 5 Tons.I mean that much explosive is used on Missile warheads),Training,Heavy Weaponry through it's terror Training Centers in Afghanistan.

Man our ISI is a dud agency.I mean what are they waiting for blow so called Indian Consulates in Afghanistan or Abduct Indian Diplomatic Staff bring them to justice to Pakistan or just eliminate them Israel Style.

TTP is trained in Afghanistan????..............do you have a credible link for that????
Isnt Afghanistan under US and NATO forces..??..............how can they didnt noticed the TTP training camps???

And it will silly to say that Taliban will take help of non-muslims!!!!

India proved and Pakistan accepted that Pakistani soil used to launch terror attacks on India........you cannot deny it .

and Pakistan is yet to prove.

 

[jagjitnatt]

Ufffff Man i am talking about general Indian Support for Terrorism not some specific Instance.

Ya India didn't created TTP but has been supplying tons of explosives(5 Tons just recovered in Lahore.Imagine 5 Tons.I mean that much explosive is used on Missile warheads),Training,Heavy Weaponry through it's terror Training Centers in Afghanistan.

Man our ISI is a dud agency.I mean what are they waiting for blow so called Indian Consulates in Afghanistan or Abduct Indian Diplomatic Staff bring them to justice to Pakistan or just eliminate them Israel Style.

You might be right to some extent. I personally believe India too sponsors some fishy activities across the border. But sending explosives, weapons or resources is not one of them because then the chance of being caught rises dramatically.

Pakistan has been unable to bring up proof of Indian involvement. This means that either India is not participating in a huge manner, or India very efficiently is not triggering blasts, but providing moral, and financial support to the terrorists.

If India had supplied arms or explosives, they could have been presented to court and India would have been defamed.

India is playing its cards very nicely. Its just turning Pakistan's created extremists towards Pakistan.

Pakistan's role in sponsoring terrorism has been significant and direct in the past two decades. India is new but it plays indirectly.

 

[pak-yes]

TTP is trained in Afghanistan????..............do you have a credible link for that????
Isnt Afghanistan under US and NATO forces..??..............how can they didnt noticed the TTP training camps???

And it will silly to say that Taliban will take help of non-muslims!!!!

India proved and Pakistan accepted that Pakistani soil used to launch terror attacks on India........you cannot deny it .

and Pakistan is yet to prove.

Oh spare me from your Links.If not for our Coward Government(all their kids are abroad and assets in swiss banks so if Pakistan is destroyed in the future they will escape)we would long ago kicked India along with it's terrorism out of Afghanistan.

And As far TTP being Muslims.Well no Muslims butchers other Muslims.So its not that just by saying Muslim you become a Muslim.

You might be right to some extent. I personally believe India too sponsors some fishy activities across the border. But sending explosives, weapons or resources is not one of them because then the chance of being caught rises dramatically.

Pakistan has been unable to bring up proof of Indian involvement. This means that either India is not participating in a huge manner, or India very efficiently is not triggering blasts, but providing moral, and financial support to the terrorists.

If India had supplied arms or explosives, they could have been presented to court and India would have been defamed.

India is playing its cards very nicely. Its just turning Pakistan's created extremists towards Pakistan.

Pakistan's role in sponsoring terrorism has been significant and direct in the past two decades. India is new but it plays indirectly.

well at least you admitted Indian activities.As Far as Proof well see above.

 

[Spring Onion]

As at the time of moron gujral he have disbanded RAW's capabilities in pak.

We can build them again but the oldies MMS, AB Vajpaee, Advani type of people don't have will.

You have already revoved it.

And when you call terrorist activities by RAW as capabilities then do welcome some cabapilities from our side too

 

[equiliz3r]

Oh spare me from your Links.If not for our Coward Government(all their kids are abroad and assets in swiss banks so if Pakistan is destroyed in the future they will escape)we would long ago kicked India along with it's terrorism out of Afghanistan.

And As far TTP being Muslims.Well no Muslims butchers other Muslims.So its not that just by saying Muslim you become a Muslim.




well at least you admitted Indian activities.As Far as Proof well see above.

Bro, Dont blame everything on politians ..............they are elected.
Public also bears the responsiblity.

Arent you happy that democracy prevailing in Pakistan.??
Pakistan is out of Danger of collapse

 

[equiliz3r]

You might be right to some extent. I personally believe India too sponsors some fishy activities across the border. But sending explosives, weapons or resources is not one of them because then the chance of being caught rises dramatically.

Pakistan has been unable to bring up proof of Indian involvement. This means that either India is not participating in a huge manner, or India very efficiently is not triggering blasts, but providing moral, and financial support to the terrorists.

If India had supplied arms or explosives, they could have been presented to court and India would have been defamed.

India is playing its cards very nicely. Its just turning Pakistan's created extremists towards Pakistan.

Pakistan's role in sponsoring terrorism has been significant and direct in the past two decades. India is new but it plays indirectly.

Pakistan never proved that India is doing terror activities in Pakistan.
This might be because two reasons.
1) RAW is doing its job very silently.
2) RAW is not doing any job

 

[pak-yes]

Bro, Dont blame everything on politians ..............they are elected.
Public also bears the responsiblity.

Arent you happy that democracy prevailing in Pakistan.??
Pakistan is out of Danger of collapse

Happy.You gotta be kidding me.

It's my wish that ALLAH give you a President like Zardari and then i will ask you how much you love democracy sir.

In my Opinion Democracy is only suitable for Pakistan when voters are not illiterate emotional masses but Educated People that have at least spent 12 years on studies.

 

[equiliz3r]

Happy.You gotta be kidding me.

It's my wish that ALLAH give you a President like Zardari and then i will ask you how much you love democracy sir.

In my Opinion Democracy is only suitable for Pakistan when voters are not illiterate emotional masses but Educated People that have at least spent 12 years on studies.

In India , PM does all work

 

[vandemataram]

You might be right to some extent. I personally believe India too sponsors some fishy activities across the border. But sending explosives, weapons or resources is not one of them because then the chance of being caught rises dramatically.

Pakistan has been unable to bring up proof of Indian involvement. This means that either India is not participating in a huge manner, or India very efficiently is not triggering blasts, but providing moral, and financial support to the terrorists.

If India had supplied arms or explosives, they could have been presented to court and India would have been defamed.

India is playing its cards very nicely. Its just turning Pakistan's created extremists towards Pakistan.

Pakistan's role in sponsoring terrorism has been significant and direct in the past two decades. India is new but it plays indirectly.

I think the points mentioned by Jagjit carries some weight. It is true that India with such a huge country, a large armed force and ever increasing economy has been in a great position to carry out or plan similar activities on Pak soil. The moot question is:

a) Does India have the political consensus to replicate this?
b) Is the Indian government ready to face the consequences, as on certain occassions things go wrong and you are caught with your pants down. Does India have the capability to defy world opinion?

c) Does the Indian military have such powers to replicate these things across the border, in India the best euphemism that can be used is that the military is muzzled and depends heavily on inputs from the South Block.

But yes contrary to popular belief India is an old hand in such subversive activities, be it in Pakistan, or Sri Lanka or even Burma. The R&AW had a department named "Burma Desk" which specialised on air reconaissance missions in the jungles of Burma.

So yes India can do it anytime and can strike at will. Probably has been doing it for some time now. Since the world has changed post 9-11 it has become very difficult to maintain these activities. Of course with India's rising economic and military clout these things have become things of the past.

A lot of Indian members would know that India in the 80s and 90s had built up a formidable network of assets in Pakistan and Afghanistan. The reasons were multiple. I though dont have any idea as to whether they indulged in subversive activities (like killing civilians) but yes had they wanted they could strike at will, scuh strong was the network.

But alas with the advent of Inder Gujral government in 1997, it was decided that the great efforts, time and money spent on building such a huge network across Pakistan has to be closed.

That was yet another painstaking task so as not to expose the moles and agents working there. It was a super human effort but the government made sure that the network is neutralized completely.

And to this day poor Indians like me and millions like me rue over the GoIs pathetic and obnoxious decision to get rid of this, undermining the security and the right to live of millions of Indians.

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[Hulk]

what an idiot ???. ...............saying that India cannot attack Pakistan

Mind your language, G Parthasarthy is a respectable analyst and I have hardly seen him talk nonsense. Learn to respect other even if you do not agree with the person. He is not wrong, India cannot attack Pakistan without getting into serious trouble himself.

 

[Hulk]

I understand the role of India in mukti bahni was significant. But India did not form mukti bahni, but it merely took advantage of the situation. There was too much unrest already when India decided to add fuel to the fire. People were ready to take up arms, so India provided them with weapons. India helped them financially, make plans, co-ordinate, get local support. But India did not start it.

As it is mukti bahni can not be termed as terror organization. There was a reason it was formed.

Nobody minus Pakistani's call it a terrorist organisation. To add to it Mukti Bahani was actually formed by people from armed forces of Pakistan (If I am not wrong).