Indira Gandhi planned a mass invasion of Pakistan | CIA Records

[jarves]

Indira Gandhi was an excellent leader.Pakistanis hate towards her is understandable that she sliced there country in two parts and imposed one of the most humiliating defeats in history.
We need more leadaers like her.

 

[karan.1970]

I hear ya! And having 22+ potential "springs" could lead to uncomfortably warm and humid "summers" if you know what I mean

In India hot summers is the status quo. Think about Pakistan. Hot springs and no power for ACs.. Not looking good

massive lay-offs led to 41 dozen dead in Gujrat in '69. Reactionaries indeed (i guess its tradition especially in that state)

Oh! so we are now going really back in history ? You may want to revisit Lahore of 1953 where 200 people were killed just because they believed in a different sect of Islam. Reactionaries.. ?? Nah! plain and simple extremists..

 

[Donatello]

Indira Gandhi planned a lot of things. Her own security wasn't one of them.

Mods, @Oscar @Manticore

Please lock this thread. Same old posters. Same old posts.

 

[ares]

I got a good laugh from that one....you realize you did just contradict yourself right?

"maps change but citizens stay the same"

tell that to the Tatars in Crimea

Did you, then I must commend you for being awfully easy to amuse, its a good thing you are not a girl.

Since Crimea is recent and Pakistan is close to your heart, I will give you these two examples.

Crimea, which until a few days ago was a part of Ukraine, is now a part of Russia.

Map of Russia has changed, Map of Ukraine has changed, but neither of these countries claim to be reincarnated.

Citizen of Crimea, 96% of who considered themselves as Russian and voted heavily to join Russia were the defining factor.

Similary, did Pakistan get reinvented in 1971, its maps changed and its boundaries got redefined, does that mean there was no Pakistan before 1971?

 

[ares]

Indira Gandhi planned a lot of things. Her own security wasn't one of them.

Mods, @Oscar @Manticore

Please lock this thread. Same old posters. Same old posts.

As a matter of fact after operation blue star, she was advised to remove the Sikh body guards from her security details.
She reused at point blank stating that she had utmost faith in her body guards.

The truth is being a nationalist she did not consider sending army into Golden Temple as an attack on sikh faith, but an attack on terrorist, who had taken over the temple at Gun point, which is what it was.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Did you, then I must commend you for being awfully easy to amuse, its a good thing you are not a girl.

Since Crimea is recent and Pakistan is close to your heart, I will give you these two examples.

Crimea, which until a few days ago was a part of Ukraine, is now a part of Russia.

Map of Russia has changed, Map of Ukraine has changed, but neither of these countries claim to be reincarnated.

Citizen of Crimea, 96% of who considered themselves as Russian and voted heavily to join Russia were the defining factor.

Similary, did Pakistan get reinvented in 1971, its maps changed and its boundaries got redefined, does that mean there was no Pakistan before 1971?

we dont need/want to invade Bdesh and "reclaim" it

Kashmiri cause however - that's a work in progress. It'll either be freed from indian iron-fist/genocidal grasp and will either join Pakistan or become 100% indepndent

that's why i tell you indians to just simply relax and accept it rather than continue to be frustrated and cling onto artifical notions

khair hai, anywaz




p.s. i could care less what happens in Ukraine/Russia...our only stake there is the cooperation we have with Ukraine regarding KMDB 6TD-2s for our Al Khalid II MBTs. And that shall continue, regardless of who it irritates

Ukraine Reassures Pakistan on Defense Orders | Defense News | defensenews.com


butttt i digress

It is amazing how some people here can claim nonchalantly that India didn't exist before the partition! In the early 60-70's (pre-Zia Era) you would be laughed at for making such a suggestion. There is a difference between India and "Republic of India" just as there is difference between nations and modern definition of nation states.

It is not only preposterous to suggest so but it is also part of a very conscious but lame attempt by some propaganda machines to undermine the history of ancient land that India has been. Not surprising then that they claim India has nothing to do with IVC.

Goes on to show how a propaganda repeated again and again over generations, ultimately begins to be accepted as mainstream. All in the name of justifying the explosive Two-Nation-Theory, eh!?

On Topic, I think it was the US rather than Indira that really wanted India to attempt such a crazy invasion -- just so that it could have an excuse to bifurcate another Soviet ally. It was in Soviets' interest to make sure that India didn't attempt anything as crazy as this and lose an ally to another conflict (a la Korea, Vietnam).

be as amazed as you like.....india as a country didnt exist until 1947 and there's no such thing as "united india" before 1947...hell, even today you have North vs. South and East vs. West tensions

 

[Jackdaws]

indian yapping about mass graves

ask Kashmiris who are doing the mass graves...



Pakistan and SL can readily take it up with the ICB



and how many view india favorably -- go look at the same gallup polls kiddo

you dig a four meter hole, you find 10 bodies...dig a seven meter one - you could find 40.....perhaps you should keep your beak shut on the matter of foreign relations; for every one of your absurd retorts, 10,000 things can come back and hit you back




tell that to patriotic Sri Lankans - especially those who suffered indian-sponsored LTTE terrorism for half a century.....those who are informed know that Pakistani govt. and military has been hyper-supportive diplomatically and militarily vis a vis the war against LTTE

to be honest - i believe in regional economic integration and cooperation - but at the same time, I am of the view that those who have a problem with Pakistan can kiss our azzes b/c we simply dont give a shyt what you indians or anyone else thinks.

your opinion is of zero value to Pakistanis and all we get are good laughters thanks to a lot of you guys -- especially the ones who keep joining PDF (after getting banned repeatedly)



anyone who was a member of mukti bahini was fair game.....yes, we killed a lot of them. That's a good thing.



worked well in Swat and other areas!

good luck dealing with the naxals and the 22+ other seperatist/insurgent groups in "democratic shining india"




what are you going to do about it except yap on a forum?

Grapes are sour indeed.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Grapes are sour indeed.

good...that's how they should be....better than rotten and gooey.

 

[Trev]

Ahmed Shah Massoud (whom despite our differences in the end - I have HUGGGE respect for as a freedom fighter) -- we worked with him since the beginning of the anti soviet jihad. CIA worked with him.

He was a Tajik, not a Pakhtun. Incidentally, not all Afghans in Pakistan are Pakhtuns. There are also Tajiks and Hazaras as well (we have one on this forum). Pakistan took sides, as did other regional countries. So be it. At the end of the day, Pakistan has done more for Afghanistan than any other group of countries COMBINED! That is incontrovertible.

while on the subject of Abdullah Abdullah

Pak-Afghan circles dismiss qualms about Abdullah’s background – The Express Tribune



I hear ya! And having 22+ potential "springs" could lead to uncomfortably warm and humid "summers" if you know what I mean




massive lay-offs led to 41 dozen dead in Gujrat in '69. Reactionaries indeed (i guess its tradition especially in that state)

Oh dear, when was the last time you heard anything from our springs? Unlike the recent Balochistan train attacks.

 

[Zarrar Alvi]

Oh dear, when was the last time you heard anything from our springs? Unlike the recent Balochistan train attacks.

i heard someone tested a phatakha in chennai for further attacks best of luck

 

[Joe Shearer]

If India had another leader like Indra it would lead no where but self destruct and balkanized. Sooner or later it would grow weakers, sanctioned and every neighbouring state jumping in for a pie. Indra by herself had no balls..she borrowed them from Russians..with Russian gone it was saga of impotency once again. On the flip side what did India do to protect their all weather friends in Afghanistan??

Speculative history is all very interesting, but it belongs to the sphere of historical romances. Pakistan and her western patrons put India under sanctions long enough; some of us lived right through that, professionally speaking. It hurt us, it never stopped us.

As for the rest of your speculation and the dubious language you have used, no doubt there is grief and the hatred of a loser at the core of it. As they say in some other language, "Tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner". Carry on, chaps.

It is interesting to read the list of those who liked post 1128606. Some unexpected faces there. Have a nice day, gentlemen.

 

[Armstrong]

Speculative history is all very interesting, but it belongs to the sphere of historical romances. Pakistan and her western patrons put India under sanctions long enough; some of us lived right through that, professionally speaking. It hurt us, it never stopped us.

As for the rest of your speculation and the dubious language you have used, no doubt there is grief and the hatred of a loser at the core of it. As they say in some other language, "Tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner". Carry on, chaps.

It is interesting to read the list of those who liked post 1128606. Some unexpected faces there. Have a nice day, gentlemen.

You do realize that you've just replied to a thread that hasn't seen activity for more than 6 months now !

If retirement has given you so much extra time why don't you take Bhabi - my Sister-in-Law - on a World Cruise instead ?

 

[Joe Shearer]

So was Lenin and Stalin and so was Soviet union self sufficent in missles and aerospace. That did not protect Soviet Union from balkanization.



THe same pain you had about east pakistan. Massive abuses of Human rights and repression of sovergien identity.

What repression of 'sovergien' identity are you talking about?

It is interesting to see your equation of your position on Kashmir with our position on east Pakistan. I take it that this is tacit admission that you wish to interfere in the internal affairs of a part of the Indian state, and use whatever means, including covert means, to draw them into full-fledged rebellion.

You do realize that you've just replied to a thread that hasn't seen activity for more than 6 months now !

If retirement has given you so much extra time why don't you take Bhabi - my Sister-in-Law - on a World Cruise instead ?

No money. Looking at old posts and threads on PDF is much, much cheaper.

What repression of 'sovergien' identity are you talking about?

It is interesting to see your equation of your position on Kashmir with our position on east Pakistan. I take it that this is tacit admission that you wish to interfere in the internal affairs of a part of the Indian state, and use whatever means, including covert means, to draw them into full-fledged rebellion.



No money. Looking at old posts and threads on PDF is much, much cheaper.

And there are six people looking at this thread at this moment.

Besides, I've just walked out of the Moderate Voices of Jammu, Kashmir and Ladakh. Can't take the hypocrisy of both sides any more. So, lots of free time.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

You do realize that you've just replied to a thread that hasn't seen activity for more than 6 months now !

If retirement has given you so much extra time why don't you take Bhabi - my Sister-in-Law - on a World Cruise instead ?

you must really hate the woman

 

[Joe Shearer]

you must really hate the woman

For your post to be a proper insult, you have to be referring to his bhabhi. Thank you, and we shall meet at Philippi.