Indias times now reports on JF-17

[BATMAN]

just a quick point...most aircraft manufacture is not automated. parts yes. actual building is done by humans.

That's strange, do they not apply assembly and welding robots?

 

[Malang]

Malang--pakistani scientists do fail---they are not perfect---but they fail less often---pakistan's defence industry is extremely focused on what it needs to do and how to do the job. What differentiates them from the "others" is that, first of all they believe that the wheel has already been invented---so they never get into the need to re-invent the wheel---secondly---they never want to chew onto more than what they can swallow---they firmly believe in the relay race mentality---if they can pickup the baton at the 300 meter mark in a 400 meter race, that is where they would stay at, and not go back at the 200 meter mark just to make a point. As they develop the infrastructure, they go step deeper into the manufacturing process. Pakistan defence industry is a firm believer of " ONE STEP AT A TIME " philosophy. Glory and fame is not the issue---due to extreme shortage of funds, keeping and staying in your means is the goal.

Thanks .. sounds like the perfect approach.. keep up the good work...

I dont want to start any comparison competition but look at the example of JF-17 project its completion time is a world record.
Now if we look at LCA it is also a world record in opposite direction.

I think one should bask in one's success and not on failures of rivals.. (but its more fun the other way I know)..

Where as available resources of both coutries to pursue above projects had no parity. These are indications that Pakistanis are not that bad if not perfect.

I don't know much but isn't JF17 built up on top of some platform? anyways about the time frame of completion yes its stupendous and mostly unmatchable.. no doubt..

I think MastanKHan said aptly about reinventing the wheel though..

 

[Keysersoze]

That's strange, do they not apply assembly and welding robots?

I think the nature of the construction precludes robots at the moment. Maybe in the future when robots become more sophisticated

 

[Cheetah786]

Assembly is done by humans.. but then comes the topic of labour productivity.. which is generally much higher in Europe and North America than Asia...

estimated costs of a jet fighter from a caste study...



Cheetah 786: main cost component is materials.. not labour...

MORE INFORMATION

The F-22 Raptor is the Air Force's newest jet fighter, entering operational service on Dec. 15, 2005, at Langley Air Force Base, Va.

The F-22 by the numbers

Crew: 1

Length: 62 feet, 1 inch

Height: 16 feet, 8 inches

Wingspan: 44 feet, 6 inches

Maximum speed: Mach 2-plus (more than 1,300 miles per hour)

Ceiling: above 50,000 feet

Engines: 2 Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100 turbofans with afterburners and thrust-vectoring nozzles

Thrust: 35,000 lbs. each

Armament: 20-mm. cannon with 480 rounds, 2 Sidewinder heat-seeking missiles, 6 AMRAAM radar-guided missiles or 2 1,000-lb. satellite-guided bombs and 2 AMRRAM missiles

Manufacturing team: Lockheed-Martin and Boeing

Source: U.S. Air Force

HOW MUCH IS THAT BIRD?

The F-22 Raptor is the most expensive jet fighter ever built. It is the first of the so-called fifth generation of jet fighters built since the final days of World War II. Each generation has been an improvement over its predecessor in aerodynamics, speed, engines, electronics or armament. The cost of the best American fighter of World War II, the piston-engined P-51 Mustang, is included for comparison.

Costs are for the aircraft, engine and electronics and do not include research, development, testing and other costs. Shown are the original cost of each plane. The second figure factors in inflation to show how much it might cost in today's dollars.

Aircraft: P-51 Mustang (World War II)

Year entered service: 1940

Number built: 14,855

Maximum Speed: 437 mph

Original cost: $54,000

Cost in today's dollars: $599,000

Aircraft: F-80 Shooting Star (1st U.S. jet fighter)

Year entered service: 1945

Number built: 1,731

Maximum Speed: 580 mph

Original cost: $93,456

Cost in today's dollars: $1 million

Aircraft: F-86 Sabre (Korean War)

Year entered service: 1948

Number built: more than 5,500

Maximum Speed: 685 mph

Original cost: $178,000

Cost in today's dollars: $1.44 million

Aircraft: F-100 Super Sabre (Cold War)

Year entered service: 1953

Number built: 2,294

Maximum Speed: 864 mph

Original cost: $664,000

Cost in today's dollars: $4.86 million

Aircraft: F-104 Starfighter (Cold War)

Year entered service: 1958

Number built: 2,536

Maximum Speed: 1,450 mph

Original cost: $2.98 million

Cost in today's dollars: $20 million

Aircraft: F-4 Phantom II (Vietnam)

Year entered service: 1960

Number built: 5,195

Maximum Speed: 1,600 mph

Original cost: $18.4 million

Cost in today's dollars: $56 million

Aircraft: F-15 Eagle (Desert Storm)

Year entered service: 1972

Number built: more than 1,300

Maximum Speed: 1,875 mph

Original cost: * $29.9 million

Cost in today's dollars: $36.4 million

Aircraft: F-16 Fighting Falcon

Year entered service: 1979

Number built: 2,200

Maximum Speed: 1,500 mph

Original cost: * $18.8 million

Cost in today's dollars: $22.9 million

Aircraft: F-22 Raptor

Year entered service: 2005

Number built: 62 (183 anticipated)

Maximum speed: more than 1,300 mph

Original cost: $133 million

Cost in today's dollars: $133 million

* Original cost is based on 1998 dollars.

Source: U.S. Air Force, GlobalSecurity.org, Bureau of Labor Statistics

Malang iam not going to get into a discussion with you about labour costs or material cost but look above and what a jet fighter cost to build then and now.material costs increase cause of labour cost more to produce them.The reasons south asians countries economies are booming cause it cost less to hire people to do the same work there then in west.

Material cost money to produce more today then yesterday as labour costs have gone up.

 

[Malang]

material costs increase cause of labour cost more to produce them.

this is one of looking at the rising costs but the fact is academics are somewhat divergent on this topic but none believes it is because of the labor costs..

I will not go into more details but let me ask you then why has the cost of land increased?


generally it is noticed that the value of currency decreases over a period of time and "unrelatedly" with increase in prosperity there are rises in costs, wages etc..

The reasons south asians countries economies are booming cause it cost less to hire people to do the same work there then in west.

Still if this is the case.. why is the absolute gdp of these booming nations is some cases a tenth of their western counterparts??

Sophistication, technology etc. also play an important role...

Material cost money to produce more today then yesterday as labour costs have gone up.

I don't think so...
Material costs are driven by market forces as well..
Why has the cost of Gold gone up? Gold mined yearly is a fraction of Gold already circulating in the world...