India's Su-30 MKIs to get more advance avionics and radars

[Ultima Thule]

They failed to shoot any Su-30.

On Feb 27 in J&K, There were only 2 Su-30s in the air along with 2 M2000 a 180 km further north, so as they were outnumbered 6:1 by PAF 4th gen jets, we decided to pull them back until reinforcements were sent.

And your claims of shooting down our F-16 by your vedic 10 gen bison (mig-21)

 

[Itachi]

su30mki were first inducted in 1997
If u search this forum
I will find article regarding its MLU , dating back to 2016

So?? What does its induction date have to do with the discussion on hand??

Are you saying it's getting old??

F-22 started production around 1996....more than 2 decades ago, just to give you a timeline. JF-17 Thunder program started in the 90's too (produced in 2007).

u faced off against 1 su30mki

when u will face 200 of them, Bajwa will be on the first flight off to Dubai ,to join Musharraf on medical leave

200 of SU-30 MKI at the same time??

That would be logistical nightmare....how many wouldn't be able to fly? How many would break down and fall from the sky before entering Pakistani Airspace?

And how many will be killed inside India before reaching inside Pakistan?

And you think we won't have 200 JF-17's or more to face them?

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Too many cooks spoil the broth....

Basically what he is saying that Israeli gadgets which are currently installed on SU30s are shite.

I've been saying it all along - China is a potential future Zion....

Now is the time to panic for the Hindutva folks...

 

[Windjammer]

su30mki were first inducted in 1997
If u search this forum
I will find article regarding its MLU , dating back to 2016

Still the IAF has managed to crash more of these twin engine jets in last 20 odd years without once firing in anger compared to say F-16s in PAF over the last 37 years with plenty of kills under it's belts specially your so called Raptor of East now in the list.

u faced off against 1 su30mki

Alas you had one AMRAAM wreckage to cry over .

when u will face 200 of them, Bajwa will be on the first flight off to Dubai ,to join Musharraf on medical leave

Before dreaming of getting 200 airborne.....
First have the ability to raise your operation level above 60%.....and then there is a good chance the panicked Indian ground defenses will bring down a few.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Before dreaming of getting 200 airborne.....
First have the ability to raise your operation level above 60%.....and then there is a good chance the panicked Indian ground defenses will bring down a few.

IAF managed above 80% serviceability level in high intensity air exercise in Gangan Shakti.

And about this upgrade, what is new? The whole fleet is getting UPGed. Mirage, MIG29s, MKI, Jaguar couldnt completely full upgrade due to costly engine.

 

[Archie]

So?? What does its induction date have to do with the discussion on hand??

Are you saying it's getting old??

F-22 started production around 1996....more than 2 decades ago, just to give you a timeline. JF-17 Thunder program started in the 90's too (produced in 2007).



200 of SU-30 MKI at the same time??

That would be logistical nightmare....how many wouldn't be able to fly? How many would break down and fall from the sky before entering Pakistani Airspace?

And how many will be killed inside India before reaching inside Pakistan?

And you think we won't have 200 JF-17's or more to face them?

Su30mki’s will serve till 2050
Do u seriously expect them to serve with the specifications Which were set in 1996
The Idea is to replace the PESA radar of su30mki with an AESA radar , improve the Avionics and EW suite as well as add a higher thrust engine since AESA radars require more power.

u guys might be happy with the pulse Doppler radar on your f16s and Jf17s
But we are not

even the f22 which entered full rate production in 2005 is planned to get an MLu in 2025-30

as far as fighter availability is concerned
Su30mki average around 59% availability across the 13 squadrons which translate to 155 of the 260 aircraft being ready for combat at all times
This is a peacetime availability , at wartime that number will rise to 80%

and planes normally don’t fallout of the sky unless their is some issue or being shot at
And I guess u might not have heard about the s400, which has a 600 km tracking range and 400 km kill range against 4th gen fighters
So whose planes are going to get shot down in their own territory .
I think your Kaptaan already know the answer to that

 

[steelTalons]

Mini-AWACS finally! <3

• India plans to upgrade its fleet of Sukhoi-30MKI fighter jets with more advanced avionics, radars and weapons to further bolster their combat capabilities, with detailed talks currently under way with Russia for the project
• The IAF is also finalising with Russia the procurement of 12 more Sukhois to replace the ones lost in crashes, which will be built by Hindustan Aeronautics

India plans to upgrade its fleet of Sukhoi-30MKI fighter jets with more advanced avionics, radars and weapons to further bolster their combat capabilities, with detailed talks currently under way with Russia for the project.

The IAF is also finalising with Russia the procurement of 12 more Sukhois to replace the ones lost in crashes, which will be built by defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics, as well as 21 additional MiG-29 jets that will cost around Rs 230 crore each.

"The Sukhois will be upgraded in near future to further enhance their operational capabilities," said IAF chief Air Chief Marshal Rakesh Kumar Singh Bhadauria. The IAF has so far inducted over 250 of the 272 Sukhois originally contracted in batches from Russia for well over $12 billion, with the bulk of them being licensed-produced by HAL.


The Sukhoi upgrade project will include the latest avionics, a much more powerful radar "almost as good as an AESA (active electronically scanned array) one", state-of-the-art electronic warfare systems and the like. "There will be new computer systems for greater weapon control and integration of new missiles and PGMs (precision-guided munitions)," said a source.

Forty-two of the twin-seat Sukhois, which have a cruising range of 3,200 km or a combat radius of about 1,500 km without mid-air refuelling, are also to be armed with the supersonic BrahMos cruise missiles to constitute a deadly package of precision-strike capability from long or "stand-off distances".

The IAF has based the fourth-generation "air dominance" Sukhois on both the western and eastern fronts, from Halwara, Jodhpur and Sirsa to Bareilly, Tezpur and Chabua, to cater for Pakistan and China. Along with the Mirage-2000s, the Sukhois are the most potent fighters in the country's air combat fleet till the 36 Rafales get inducted under the Rs 59,000 crore deal inked with France in 2016.

The IAF's 49 Mirage-2000s, some of which were used to bomb the JeM facility at Balakot in Pakistan on February 26, are being upgraded under an overall programme worth Rs 17,547 crore. The programme was first finalised at Rs 10,947 crore with French companies Dassault Aviation and Thales in July 2011.

Then, a second Rs 6,600 crore contract for 490 advanced fire-and-forget MICA (interception and aerial combat missiles) systems to arm the Mirages was finalised with French armament major MBDA in early-2012. But the progress has been slow since then, with only about 10 Mirages being upgraded till now.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...nced-avionics-radars/articleshow/71471211.cms

 

[steelTalons]

But SU30 Asian Raptor carries 12AAMs NO? 6:1 still means they can shoot down all enemy aircraft easily. Plus its a mini AWACS it can shoot down F16s loooooong before they can even see it NO?

They failed to shoot any Su-30.

On Feb 27 in J&K, There were only 2 Su-30s in the air along with 2 M2000 a 180 km further north, so as they were outnumbered 6:1 by PAF 4th gen jets, we decided to pull them back until reinforcements were sent.

 

[Basel]

• India plans to upgrade its fleet of Sukhoi-30MKI fighter jets with more advanced avionics, radars and weapons to further bolster their combat capabilities, with detailed talks currently under way with Russia for the project
• The IAF is also finalising with Russia the procurement of 12 more Sukhois to replace the ones lost in crashes, which will be built by Hindustan Aeronautics

India plans to upgrade its fleet of Sukhoi-30MKI fighter jets with more advanced avionics, radars and weapons to further bolster their combat capabilities, with detailed talks currently under way with Russia for the project.

The IAF is also finalising with Russia the procurement of 12 more Sukhois to replace the ones lost in crashes, which will be built by defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics, as well as 21 additional MiG-29 jets that will cost around Rs 230 crore each.

"The Sukhois will be upgraded in near future to further enhance their operational capabilities," said IAF chief Air Chief Marshal Rakesh Kumar Singh Bhadauria. The IAF has so far inducted over 250 of the 272 Sukhois originally contracted in batches from Russia for well over $12 billion, with the bulk of them being licensed-produced by HAL.


The Sukhoi upgrade project will include the latest avionics, a much more powerful radar "almost as good as an AESA (active electronically scanned array) one", state-of-the-art electronic warfare systems and the like. "There will be new computer systems for greater weapon control and integration of new missiles and PGMs (precision-guided munitions)," said a source.

Forty-two of the twin-seat Sukhois, which have a cruising range of 3,200 km or a combat radius of about 1,500 km without mid-air refuelling, are also to be armed with the supersonic BrahMos cruise missiles to constitute a deadly package of precision-strike capability from long or "stand-off distances".

The IAF has based the fourth-generation "air dominance" Sukhois on both the western and eastern fronts, from Halwara, Jodhpur and Sirsa to Bareilly, Tezpur and Chabua, to cater for Pakistan and China. Along with the Mirage-2000s, the Sukhois are the most potent fighters in the country's air combat fleet till the 36 Rafales get inducted under the Rs 59,000 crore deal inked with France in 2016.

The IAF's 49 Mirage-2000s, some of which were used to bomb the JeM facility at Balakot in Pakistan on February 26, are being upgraded under an overall programme worth Rs 17,547 crore. The programme was first finalised at Rs 10,947 crore with French companies Dassault Aviation and Thales in July 2011.

Then, a second Rs 6,600 crore contract for 490 advanced fire-and-forget MICA (interception and aerial combat missiles) systems to arm the Mirages was finalised with French armament major MBDA in early-2012. But the progress has been slow since then, with only about 10 Mirages being upgraded till now.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...nced-avionics-radars/articleshow/71471211.cms

Is this different from Super Sukhoi upgrade program??

 

[PradoTLC]

They failed to shoot any Su-30.

On Feb 27 in J&K, There were only 2 Su-30s in the air along with 2 M2000 a 180 km further north, so as they were outnumbered 6:1 by PAF 4th gen jets, we decided to pull them back until reinforcements were sent.

LOL...

is that what they tell you?

i am still waiting for the surgical strike videos your homo minister promised... who i hear got promoted to Defense minister who thinks LCA is like a Iphone....

 

[Zapper]

Is this different from Super Sukhoi upgrade program??

Essentially the same except that Super Sukhoi is supposed to use the AL-41F-1S Turbofan Engine which currently powers the Su-35 in addition sensors, avionics and radar upgrades listed in this article

 

[Archie]

Is this different from Super Sukhoi upgrade program??

It’s nearly the same
Except for the RCS reduction plan which has been canceled

 

[wali87]

Indians should somehow redesign and trim up the su30s and maybe add a black dulux wall paint to make it a bit more stealthy, avionics can only do so much.

Afterall they indegenously manufacture 99.999 percent of its parts locally. Lol

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Su30mki’s will serve till 2050
Do u seriously expect them to serve with the specifications Which were set in 1996
The Idea is to replace the PESA radar of su30mki with an AESA radar , improve the Avionics and EW suite as well as add a higher thrust engine since AESA radars require more power.

u guys might be happy with the pulse Doppler radar on your f16s and Jf17s
But we are not

even the f22 which entered full rate production in 2005 is planned to get an MLu in 2025-30

as far as fighter availability is concerned
Su30mki average around 59% availability across the 13 squadrons which translate to 155 of the 260 aircraft being ready for combat at all times
This is a peacetime availability , at wartime that number will rise to 80%

and planes normally don’t fallout of the sky unless their is some issue or being shot at
And I guess u might not have heard about the s400, which has a 600 km tracking range and 400 km kill range against 4th gen fighters
So whose planes are going to get shot down in their own territory .
I think your Kaptaan already know the answer to that

You guys made the same claims about Su-30s that it would shoot F-16s before F-16s would see it. And when the time came nothing happened. Anad now are saying the same thing about Rafaels and S-400.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

u faced off against 1 su30mki

when u will face 200 of them, Bajwa will be on the first flight off to Dubai ,to join Musharraf on medical leave

Actually there were quite a few SU30s airborne during operation swift retort. Most of them chickened out and one was not that fortunate, got an AIM120 stuck up its arse.

As they say, you can only beat what is infront of you.