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India's stand on Kashmir shows 'lack of sincerity': PM Sharif

You don't give a damn when drones fly over your territory and kill people on a daily basis,when world's most wanted terrorist is caught next to your vital army bases that too by another country violating your soverignty,usa kills your soldiers in border,terrorists attack military bases,frees prison inmates,foreign cricket team attacked in broad daylight,top politician assasinated in public,your country features in top positions in a list of failed state .......
But too much concerned about India and kashmir!
 
he has been making strange comments lately
 
Nawaz you clown don't ask for something which is ours. We will kick ur country's butt and tera tym toh vese hi bura chal raha hai ganje :lol:


Why doesn't Pakistan carry a plebiscite in its own Kashmir?

and you dumbwit has no right to comment on Kashmir issues cuz you hold it too.

Once India withdraw, then one can be taken with both India and Pakistani side taken together.

I welcome your statement.

In that case, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Srilanka, Myanmar, Bhutan, Nepal, Tibet should all be one country, which is called as AKHAND BHARAT. Do you agree?

Why? They were never one country. The kingdom of Mysore, Hyderabad, Sihk and Maratha confederacy should be created.
 
'First' Kashmir survey produces 'startling' results
By Alastair LawsonBBC News
Dr Bradnock said that in the Kashmir valley - the mainly Muslim area at the centre of the insurgency - support for independence is between 74% and 95%
BBC News - 'First' Kashmir survey produces 'startling' results

Now all you mentioned becomes true for yourself . :sarcastic:


Lets talk about Pakistani Kashmir as ell then- from the same survey-

It revealed that on average 44% of people in Pakistani-administered Kashmir favoured independence, compared with 43% in Indian-administered Kashmir.

When are you giving independence to Azad Kashmir?
 
India wants close military relations with Sri Lanka because of the presence expanding navy bases of China.
[url="http://worldwidedefense.blogspot.com/2013/12/india-wants-closer-relations-with-sri.html"]India wants closer relations Sri Lanka. - World Wide Defense[/URL]
Not just because of China,countries like SL,Malidives overlooks important sea routes,and their cooperation and effectiveness is neccessary to curb piracy. For eg,due to active involvement o SL Navy piracy is decreasing in Indian ocean region.
 
Is this your response to your country's imperialism? Stop occupying others when they don't want you. Kashmir solution begins when India withdraw.
We dont call it inperialism but we do call the chinese attitude towards uighurs and tibetians as imperialism. first liberate them then you have a right to talk. till then plz get lost. thanks. :)

'First' Kashmir survey produces 'startling' results
By Alastair LawsonBBC News
Dr Bradnock said that in the Kashmir valley - the mainly Muslim area at the centre of the insurgency - support for independence is between 74% and 95%
BBC News - 'First' Kashmir survey produces 'startling' results

Now all you mentioned becomes true for yourself . :sarcastic:
What the hell? Cant you comprehend or have reading issues? I said KASHMIR VALLEY is only 20% of J&K. There is LEH and JAMMU too. You end up giving numbers for Kashmir Valley. Ya Allah, kuchh kar is kaum ka. Hamara hi padosi banana tha. You need education big time maan. Big tym. Otherwise no point discussing with literates.

'First' Kashmir survey produces 'startling' results
By Alastair LawsonBBC News
Dr Bradnock said that in the Kashmir valley - the mainly Muslim area at the centre of the insurgency - support for independence is between 74% and 95%
BBC News - 'First' Kashmir survey produces 'startling' results

Now all you mentioned becomes true for yourself . :sarcastic:
What the hell? Cant you comprehend or have reading issues? I said KASHMIR VALLEY is only 20% of J&K. There is LEH and JAMMU too. You end up giving numbers for Kashmir Valley. Ya Allah, kuchh kar is kaum ka. Hamara hi padosi banana tha. You need education big time maan. Big tym. Otherwise no point discussing with literates.
 
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Do you know ground realities in the Valley have changed dramatically since 2011?

No I dont and I find no reason for believing in such baseless claims

Lets talk about Pakistani Kashmir as ell then- from the same survey-
It revealed that on average 44% of people in Pakistani-administered Kashmir favoured independence, compared with 43% in Indian-administered Kashmir.
When are you giving independence to Azad Kashmir?

There has been a lot of discussion over this 2010 survey commissioned by Dr Saif al Islam al Qadhafi and designed by Dr Bradnock and Ipsos Mori, but every time some new Indian guy with no clue about the background and facts comes up "jumping" with excitement that 44 % Kashmiris in Pakistani part of Kashmir want independence compared to 43% in IOK ..
you should first understand the purpose behind this survey and the faults in the techniques adopted ...

. Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) is a self-governing state under Pakistani control, but under Pakistan's constitution the state is not actually part of Pakistan . Azad Jammu and Kashmir covers an area of 13,297 square kilometr . Azad Kashmir has its own elected President, Prime Minister, Legislative Assembly, High Court . (44% of people want independence according to the survey , when they are already independent !!)

. Gilgit–Baltistan is an autonomous self-governing region that was established as a single administrative unit in 1970, formed by the amalgamation of the Gilgit Agency, the Baltistan region and the former princely states of Hunza and Nagar. It covers an area of 72,971 km²

. Pakistani-controlled part of the former princely state of Jammu and Kashmir is made up of AJK & Gilgit-Baltistan


.Gilgit-Baltistan was not included in this survey


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only 3,700 people were interviewed out of a total population of 15 million . (i.e 0.025% of total population)


.Without any survey one can tell that areas of Jammu, Kathua, Udhampur, Rajouri, Poonch, Kargil and Leh are not pro independence areas; yet all these areas were included in the survey and other militancy hit and pro independence areas like Doda, Pulwama and Kupwara were left out of the survey.


.It is surprising, rather shocking that in places like Poonch, Rajouri, Udhampur and Kathua not a single person supported an independent Kashmir. Some of these areas have sizable Muslim minority; It is very likely that those who ‘administered' the survey only approached non Muslims in the survey.


.The vote in favour of independence was as high as 95% in some districts.
To bring this very high percentage of vote in favour of independence down to acceptable or desired level, important pro independence areas were deliberately left out of the survey; and all anti independence areas were included in the survey.


.It is also interesting to note that 77% of people of Indian side of Kashmir believe that ‘an end to all militant violence in Kashmir will help to end the conflict over Kashmir'. It is also interesting that the highest support in favour of ‘an end to all militant violence' came from the Valley, with Baramulla showing 91% support, Badgam 92%, Srinagar 84% and Anantnag 98% respectively.Some areas of Pakistani Administered Kashmir also showed high support for this, for example, Bagh had 75% support and Mirpur had 72 %. From this side of the LOC, Kotli showed the least support for this, 27%.In Jammu province, Rajouri showed 0%, Poonch 3%, Jammu 64%, Udhampur 97% and Kathua 98% support. Kargil showed 81% and 87 % support for this


.The option of ‘Liberalised Line of Control' attained amazing support in the survey. From Kargil the survey showed 100% support for this option, Leh 81%; Srinagar 83%, Baramulla 81%, Anantnag 81%, Badgam 74%; Kathua 93%, Jammu 79%, Udhampur 66%, Rajouri 99% and Poonch 99%.
In Pakistani Administered Kashmir the support for this option was as follows: Muzaffarabad 95%, Sudanhoti 97%, Bagh 81%, Bhimber 87%, Mirpur 87%, Poonch 97% and Kotli 98%.
It looks the powers that be want to push the Kashmir dispute in favour of this option



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nd this discussion can go on quite long .
No results can be drawn if opinion of only 0.025% of total population is considered, And selective areas and communities are questioned to achieve desired results .
Overall the survey results are against what India claims
And some fellows here bring "one liners" hoping that they would not be shown the reality (Only if they have any clue about it)


And for those who believe that there is no pro-pakistan sentiment in IOK , check this :
Pro-Pakistan sentiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


And just for a snack , enjoy this ::pop::pop:

Faultline in Kashmir makes people root for Afridi and vote in polls - Times Of India

SRINAGAR: Like rest of the subcontinent, Srinagar shut down for the semifinal clash between India and Pakistan. But, the team they cheered for wasn't the Men in Blue.
On the day of the semifinal, children took a day off from school. India batted first and every Indian wicket prompted a blaze of firecrackers. When Pakistan started batting, every run was cheered


What the hell? Cant you comprehend or have reading issues?

Bro I think you have
 
No I dont and I find no reason for believing in such baseless claims...

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Bro I think you have

So you just posted a survey to support your claims of Kashmiris wanting independence, but wont accept the same survey for Pakistani occupies Kashmiris, I dont know if this is plain stupidity or plain hypocrisy.

Oh BTW naming Azad Kashmir doesnt make it azad, :lol:; get the punjabi army and settlers out of there to make it really azad..
 
So you just posted a survey to support your claims of Kashmiris wanting independence, but wont except the same survey for Pakistani occupies Kashmiris, I dont know if this is plain stupidity or plain hypocrisy.
Oh BTW naming Azad Kashmir doesnt make it azad, ; get the punjabi army and settlers out of there to make it really azad..

^Better develop a habit of reading dear . Presenting your "delusions" and "wishes" as facts is not going to help . So next time plz read a few things before posting idiotic comments

And to prove that "Kashmiris want independence from India" , one does not need to rely on "surveys" ...... PRESENCE OF 600000 TROOPS(committing human right violations) IN REGION ITSELF IS A "OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE"
 
^Better develop a habit of reading dear . Presenting your "delusions" and "wishes" as facts is not going to help . So next time plz read a few things before posting idiotic comments

And to prove that "Kashmiris want independence from India" , one does not need to rely on "surveys" ...... PRESENCE OF 600000 TROOPS(committing human right violations) IN REGION ITSELF IS A "OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE"

The only delusions I see here are you shouting and whining in bold caps letters.

Again, the survey proves Pakistanis Kashmir needs to be freed before India's, as soon as you get your kala punjabis out of there, we can talk about Indian kashmir. Plus with all the shia killings it would be no wonder if the shias in Pakistani occupied kashmir vote to join India now. :lol:
 
The only delusions I see here are you shouting and whining in bold caps letters.

Human right violations in Kashmir :
According to a recent report on Human Rights violations in Indian Occupied Kashmir by Indian Army and its paramilitary forces, there have been deaths of 93,274 innocent Kashmiri from 1989 to June 30, 2010. Besides this alarming figure of open killings by its security forces, there have been 6,969 custodial killings, 117,345 arrests, destruction, and razing of 105,861 houses and other physical structures in the use of the community as a whole. The brutal security forces have orphaned over 107, 351 children, widowed 22,728 women and gang raped 9,920 women. In June 2010 only, there have been 33 deaths including four children besides, torturing and injuring 572 people. The brutal Indian security forces molested eight women during the month of July. This brief account indeed, is the reality of Indian achievements on which they are trumpeting for their success in the Kashmir through counter insurgency operations.
KASHMIR: Human Rights Violations in Kashmir - News Library - News & Events - PeaceWomen


Number of Troops in IOK :
Some analysts have suggested that the number of Indian troops in Jammu and Kashmir is close to 600,000 although estimates vary and the Indian government refuses to release official figures
Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The "sources" of my "DELUSIONS" :sarcastic:!!!
 
To Pakistani interests - India cannot be sincere.

Why?

While our population was busy in working its *** off, and politicians busy in looting, making a better life for itself; Pakistan was playing games with the big boys.

Pakistani establishment for the sake of strategic depth bred monsters in its back yard while we were battling abject poverty and misrule...

So yes, we will never be sincere because Pakistan has never felt the sincere urge to contribute to the region in terms of stabiltiy - to this day.

Want to cry that a big country does not listen to you? First, show some resolve and put your house in order.
 
Pakistan's stand on Kashmir died on the same day when they declared Gilgit and Baltistan a separate state and even included in their territory. Another one is their clear stand was Azad Kashmir need to be always under Pakistan.
 

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