India's sly game on Siachen

[Awesome]

Lol they are BSing about withdrawal. They want Pakistan to declare "ground positions". Which would after 10 years be converted into a Pakistan's acceptance of ground realities.

Like they don't pretty much know where we are and where they are! Why do they need us to declare where we are now! We'll declare where we will pull back to! They've played this game for too long.

If they want to be sure we don't invade let a mutual observer group oversee the withdrawal from both sides. Let them SEE the positions, but NEVER declare it.

They will make it sound like a security issue right now, but its all politics.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=8787&sectionid=3510204

India says it will not agree on the withdrawal of troops from a glacier in disputed Kashmir until Pakistan reveals its positions there.

"We have to keep the history in mind. Both sides will have to agree on the actual ground position," India's Defense Minister A.K. Anthony told reporters Saturday, following a first visit to the Siachen region.

Anthony added "Pakistan will have to demarcate the actual ground position line -- both on the ground as well as on the map -- before any headway is made."

The Indian army, which has occupied most of the high-altitude battlefield since 1987, wants 'iron-clad' evidence of existing troop positions to dissuade Pakistan from moving its soldiers forward in the event of a pull-out.

"Our position from the beginning is very clear that before any forward movement is made, we must authenticate the actual ground position line," the minister stressed.

Pakistan fears that setting out its positions would be tacit acceptance of India's claims to Siachen and the area as a whole.

Nuclear-armed India and Pakistan have held many rounds of talks- the latest last month- on the withdrawal of troops from the 6,300 meter high Siachen glacier without narrowing their differences.

Kashmir -- of which Siachen is a part -- is divided between Pakistan and India and is claimed by both in full. It has caused two of the three wars between the neighbors since their independence from Britain in1947.

 

[dabong1]

Your right india has nor budged 1 inch on the issue of kashmir.

 

[Adux]

India accepted AJK; Big big step

 

[Interceptor]

Why doesn't India get out of Kashmir and finish the 50 years of dispute between both countries. This is such a disgusting remark of India and it is cowardly too attacking innocent Kashmir's the Indian army have no honor, and they don't belong in Kashmir.

 

[Interceptor]

India accepted AJK; Big big step

You call that a big step that is so sad.

 

[Awesome]

That's a useless piece of thing. THAT wasn't even something we were demanding, lol. India makes a big thing of granting us something we've never demanded of them. Why should we? We already got it. India's acceptance makes no difference.

 

[Adux]

No troop pullout from Siachen: Antony

Sunday, May 06, 2007
09:46 IST

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Siachen base camp: Defence Minister A K Antony has reiterated that India is in no hurry to vacate the unfriendly heights on the Siachen glacier and Saltoro Ridge, saying there’s no question of troop withdrawal until Pakistan agrees to authentication of the 110-km AGPL (Actual Ground Position Line).


After his maiden visit to the world’s highest and coldest battlefield, Antony said, “I can’t say if a solution is in sight... Before any forward movement, we must authenticate relative troop positions on both sides of AGPL”.


Asked if Islamabad could be trusted in the light of its track record of deception, Antony said the country must not forget the past.


Accompanied by the army chief General JJ Singh and defence secretary Shekhar Dutt, Antony visited the ‘Kumar forward landing base’ at a height of over 16,000 feet to get a feel of the living conditions of jawans and familiarise himself with the strategic importance of the glacier, on which Indian troops have been holding positions since 1984.


The army occupies advantageous positions along the 76-km-long glacier and troops have to a large

extent got conditioned to the inhospitable environment.



General JJ Singh said, “Casualties in Siachen have come down considerably as a result of better training and equipment”. The army holds more than a dozen important peaks on the Saltoro ridge at heights of up to 21,000 feet.


In contrast, Pakistani posts are more than 20-km to the west of the glacier. Islamabad is seeking a commitment from India not to claim territory on the basis of the authenticated AGPL. It fears that authentication of the AGPL will turn the AGPL into the Line of Control.


With Siachen serving as a strategic wedge between Pakistan and China, troop withdrawal without authentication would enable their armies to link up and threaten the Ladakh region, an army officer said.

 

[Adux]

That's a useless piece of thing. THAT wasn't even something we were demanding, lol. India makes a big thing of granting us something we've never demanded of them. Why should we? We already got it. India's acceptance makes no difference.

Kashmir Problem, Includes the territory of Azad Kashmir as well as IoK.

Well, I am sorry; India used to demand Azad Kashmir to be returned to its rightful owners that are the Indians. And we are not sitting here to give into Pakistani demands,we have our own demands. India wont give an inch; why should we when pakistan doesnt give any of our demands.

 

[Bull]

Why doesn't India get out of Kashmir and finish the 50 years of dispute between both countries. This is such a disgusting remark of India and it is cowardly too attacking innocent Kashmir's the Indian army have no honor, and they don't belong in Kashmir.

India wont. Your Govt is tired of trying and has given it up now, and so they return with 'ground breaking ' peace deals.

 

[Bull]

If they want to be sure we don't invade let a mutual observer group oversee the withdrawal from both sides. Let them SEE the positions, but NEVER declare it.

And what if either one of the parties decide to play spoil, and re occupy. Whose responsibility would it be to pull them back.

Pakistan hasn t laid down its claim on Kashmir which is still a disputed territory, Siachin forms a part of that. Pakistan can always send in PA under the pretext of they being jihadis and occupy it, the same way they did it in Kargil.

India knows that and so wont budge. GOP can continue dolling out 'pathbreaking' ideas.

 

[Awesome]

Kashmirs rightful owners are not Kashmiris?

Your entire thinking process is so flawed and self-serving.

 

[Bull]

Kashmirs rightful owners are not Kashmiris?

Your entire thinking process is so flawed and self-serving.

Ofcourse as a nation we are self serving. Who is not?

Other than the Pakistan and US i dont see any other nation fighting for some other countries cause. And what a hell of a result they both have got to show for that.

 

[Awesome]

India ki observer group kya machar maar rahi hogi?

India and Pakistan should employ an observer group that can monitor such activity. Plus lay down censors, etc.

For Pakistan to deploy troops on Siachen is hard, compared to India. India would know long before Pak starts to deploy any heavy troops onto Siachen and India can easily mobilize a counter force. So that's just not happening, its a non-issue except in Indian minds.

 

[Bull]

India ki observer group kya machar maar rahi hogi?

India and Pakistan should employ an observer group that can monitor such activity. Plus lay down censors, etc.

For Pakistan to deploy troops on Siachen is hard, compared to India. India would know long before Pak starts to deploy any heavy troops onto Siachen and India can easily mobilize a counter force. So that's just not happening, its a non-issue except in Indian minds.

Observer group will observe.

So basically you want us to withdraw but keep a watch after that . Ok, well we would save that effort and not quit from our positons.

 

[Adux]

Kashmirs rightful owners are not Kashmiris?

Your entire thinking process is so flawed and self-serving.

Kashmiri's wont be given Independence from Pakistan, as your President explitily stated therefore. Lets forget Freedom for Kashmiri's Rehotric. Its all about Land.
No, They are India's lawfully according to treaties established at Independence. The Whole Area is disputed IoK and Azad Kashmir, therefore lets not make it only IoK.Nice Ploy.