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im still soo confused. is this n deal a good thing or a bad thing???
 
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im still soo confused. is this n deal a good thing or a bad thing???

see you need to understand the economic implication of it. Just for example the
power sector: India gives order for 40 reactors of 1000 mega watt each. Each reactor costs approx 2-2.5 billion dollars. approx 100 billion dollars business.

IT sector: Our companies are not allowed to take projects which can be of dual use. Only foreign companies fight for those tenders, this will open a whole new area for them.

Medical sector: Lot of new machines are not allowed to be imported because of some or other restriction, this will also open up.

This is just the icing of cake.

But the point is what world will gain from it?

Whole gamut of economic activity.
So everyone will be looser here.

But as the current scenario goes the deal is in real trouble especially after china speaking against it.

Ok, now if the deal doesn't goes through, is it a really BIG setback, NO.
It's ok, you can't get everything our scientists have shown what they are capable of. We can do the things on our own.
 
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hmm now Mr. Bush is also calling, this will be helpful

Zee News - N-deal Bush NSG nations

N-deal: Bush to call up NSG nations

New Delhi, Sept 02: In the biggest push that the Indo-US civil nuclear deal could receive for clearance at Nuclear Suppliers Group, US President George W Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will call up the top leadership of countries opposed to NSG waiver for India.

Sources have revealed that US has asked PM Manmohan Singh to follow suit and call up leaders of dissenting NSG member countries like New Zealand and Ireland for the final push.

Ahead of the August meeting too, Bush had written letters to various NSG member-countries seeking their support.

The US has also deputed its senior officials to various NSG member-countries to persuade them to support the waiver.

American Ambassador to India David Mulford also held meetings last week with envoys of the countries having reservations to the initiative to bring them around.

Revised draft

Just days before the crucial NSG meet on India-US civil nuclear deal, some NSG member countries are reportedly unhappy with the revised draft for granting a waiver to India. The draft, amended by the US after demands by some NSG countries, has been approved by India which found the document being in consonance with its objectives of "unconditional" waiver.

Care had been taken to ensure that the substance of the draft did not exceed the parameters outlined by India, particularly on nuclear testing and enrichment and reprocessing issues, sources said.

On examining the revised draft at the highest level, the government has found the document satisfactory after which it gave a go-ahead to its circulation. Consequently, the US gave the draft to Germany, the current Chair of the NSG, which in turn circulated it among NSG members for studying.

The NSG members have five days to study the draft before the September 4-5 meeting to consider whether or not to allow India to resume civil nuclear trade with the international community.

A few countries are said to be still not satisfied with the draft, suggesting that the amendments carried out in it were only cosmetic and not as per their demands.

New Zealand and Austria are said to be among the NSG members who believe that the draft should address their concerns with regard to non-proliferation issues considering that India has a strategic nuclear programme despite not being a signatory to the NPT.

New Delhi believes that the changes made in the draft should address the concerns the skeptic countries have.

In a television interview M.K. Narayanan, the National Security Adviser expressed confidence that NSG countries will approve clean waiver for India in its next meeting at Vienna which is schedule to begin on September 4.

"The United States, Russia, France and Britain have worked hard in this direction," said Narayanan, and added, "India has already flagged off its concerns and most of the countries of the NSG are recognizing the validity of these concerns."

China hurdle?

Meanwhile Monday's People's Daily, the ruling Chinese Communist Party's official paper gave a dissenting view on the nuclear deal.

The Chinese newspaper has called the nuclear agreement between India and the United States a "major blow" to non-proliferation. It reads: "Whether it is motivated by geopolitical considerations or commercial interests, the US-India nuclear agreement has constituted a major blow to the international non-proliferation regime."

Officially, China has not stated that it opposes the nuclear deal.
 
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Arms group to NSG: Reject India's revised N-deal draft
2 Sep 2008, 1024 hrs IST,PTI


WASHINGTON: A prominent arms control organisation has asked the Nuclear Supplier Group to reject the revised draft, that exempts India from its certain guidelines for nuclear trade, as it does not contains any meaningful adjustments.

On the eve of the crucial meeting of the 45-member NSG, the Executive Director of the Arms Control Association, Daryl Kimball argued that "the revised proposal does not incorporate any meaningful adjustments or concessions and is essentially the same as the earlier draft proposal."

Kimball pointed out to a paragraph in the revised draft that says that all governments participating in the NSG shall inform each other on what bilateral cooperation they are pursuing with India, after the exemption is approved.

"This would be mildly useful ahead of an NSG decision, but does not hold India accountable to any non-proliferation or disarmament commitments," Kimball said in an e-mail, going on to point out to yet another paragraph that says participating Governments can call an extraordinary consultation within the NSG on India "should circumstances require it."

"This is being characterised as a response to several proposals from NSG states for a regular review mechanism for nuclear trade with India. But in reality, this does not do anything more than what is already in the NSG guidelines under (paragraph 16) that allows for a special meeting of NSG states in the event of extraordinary events, including a nuclear test(s)," the senior arms control expert has maintained.

He asked the NSG members to "flatly reject the proposal and NSG states should insist on the conditions and restrictions outlined in the August 15 experts and NGOs letter."

Kimball recommends that if NSG states agrees to supply nuclear fuel to India, "then all nuclear cooperation with India involving NSG members shall be terminated and unused fuel supplies from NSG states shall be returned, if it (India) resumes nuclear testing, or it violates safeguards agreement with the IAEA or withdraws 'civilian' facilities or materials from international safeguards.

"NSG states should expressly prohibit any transfer of sensitive plutonium reprocessing, uranium enrichment, or heavy water production items to India, whether inside or outside bilateral nuclear cooperation agreements, and supply the fuel in a manner that commensurate with ordinary reactor operating requirements and not provide individually or collectively strategic or lifetime nuclear fuel reserves," he said.

He asked NSG states to actively oppose any arrangement that would give India any special safeguards exemptions or would in any way be inconsistent with the principle of permanent and unconditional safeguards over all nuclear materials and facilities subject to its safeguards agreement with the IAEA.

"Before India is granted a waiver from the NSG's full-scope safeguards standard, it should join the other original nuclear weapon states by declaring it has stopped fissile material production for weapons purposes and transform its nuclear test moratorium into a meaningful, legally-binding commitment," Kimball said.

The arms expert maintained that the NSG states should agree not to grant India consent to reprocess nuclear fuel supplied by an NSG member state in a facility that is not under permanent and unconditional IAEA safeguards.

Also not to agree that any material produced in other facilities may not be transferred to any unsafeguarded facility and that NSG states should agree that all bilateral nuclear cooperation agreements between an NSG member state and India explicitly prohibit the replication or use of such technology in any unsafeguarded Indian facilities.

"The Indian nuclear deal would be a non-proliferation disaster and a serious setback to the prospects of global nuclear disarmament, especially now," the ACA official has said.

"More than just six states are opposed to a 'Clean' or 'Unconditional' waiver. It has been widely reported that a group of six like-minded states (Austria, Ireland, New Zealand, Netherlands, Norway, and Switzerland) have put forward proposals for restrictions, conditions, and a review mechanism for nuclear trade with India, but the group of states backing these ideas is actually far larger, probably around 15 total," Kimball maintained.

"These include Japan, several other northern European states, and possibly China. The commentary yesterday in China's official People's Daily calls the India deal a "major blow" to non-proliferation, raising possibility that China is unhappy with the proposed US waiver for India," he added

Arms group to NSG: Reject India's revised N-deal draft-India-The Times of India
 
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http://www.hindu.com/2008/09/02/stories/2008090260511200.htm

Second NSG meet is ‘last chance’ for nuclear deal

Siddharth Varadarajan
New Delhi: As members of the Nuclear Suppliers Group slowly digest the revised American proposal to grant India a waiver from the cartel’s export guidelines, Indian officials say this week’s scheduled NSG meeting will be decisive in sealing the fate of the nuclear deal with the United States one way or another.

“Both the U.S. and India are down to the wire in this,” one official told The Hindu. “For us in terms of substance, and for the Americans in terms of time.” While declining to provide any details about the draft out of deference to the NSG’s rules of confidentiality, Indian officials say the new text represents a compromise. “A genuine attempt has been made to deal with the concerns raised” the last time the 45-nation suppliers club met in Vienna on August 21-22, said an official. The changes are not cosmetic, as some nonproliferationists have charged, but the overall package is consistent with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s assurances to Parliament, the officials insist. However, there is absolutely no room for India to cut any more slack, they say. “In terms of substance, this is it as far as we are concerned.”

Though the U.S. Congress has the ability to waive the mandatory 30-day period during which the ‘123 agreement’ must lie before it before being considered for approval, Indian officials say the problem for Washington is not how to manage Capitol Hill but the NSG itself. “If you can’t solve this the second time around, the dynamics of the process will completely change.”

With the danger of the entire deal unravelling, a third plenary is likely to be a non-starter for the Americans, too.

On their part, well-placed German officials told this reporter a third meeting cannot be ruled out at this stage since several countries have told Germany — this year’s chairman of the NSG — that they have not had enough time to study the new text. But even if things were to go into a third meeting, it would have to be more for getting political sanction for a text that is broadly cleared now rather than for making further changes in the draft, the officials conceded.

Reacting cautiously to media reports of a compromise formula wherein the overall non-proliferation concerns of NSG members are embodied in a statement by the chair, a diplomat from one of the European countries with strong objections last time around told The Hindu that any proposal would have to be studied first. “We have not yet seen a draft of a Chair’s Statement. I think it would be fair to say, though, that we would prefer conditionality to form part of the formal decision to exempt India from the standard NSG requirements.” Diplomatic sources from another European country said the new draft did not address all of their concerns but that consultations with “like-minded nations” were on to see whether the formal airing of these concerns through a statement could provide a way out.

Asked about media reports from Vienna quoting unnamed diplomats as predicting deadlock at the NSG again, American diplomats said efforts were under way to allay apprehensions at the “political” rather than “official” level.
 
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Does this news signals any thing?

US Congress likely to hold lame duck session for N-deal


my view says that no one new has came out against the deal

the thigs can be set up like this

USA will get mrca deal
france will get nuke reactor deal
aussies will get fuel deal
russia will get more T90 orders

babus have lots of %ages to look forward to

every one will make money
 
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BEIJING: China’s top newspaper called a nuclear agreement between India and the United States a “major blow” to non-proliferation, raising pressure as the deal faces opposition in an international atomic cartel.

The commentary on Monday in the People’s Daily, the ruling Chinese Communist Party’s official paper, was a rare public response from Beijing on the controversial US proposal to lift a ban on nuclear trade with India. Diplomats in Vienna said on Sunday that a revised US proposal to lift the ban did not sufficiently ease fears the move could compromise efforts to stop the spread of nuclear weapons.

Chinese officials have remained tight-lipped about the deal and given no sign they would outright block it, but official media and experts have raised worries. The Party’s official paper was unusually forthright on Monday. “Whether it is motivated by geopolitical considerations or commercial interests, the US-India nuclear agreement has constituted a major blow to the international non-proliferation regime,” said the commentary by a researcher from the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, a leading state think tank.

“Irrespective of the fate of the US-India nuclear agreement, the United States’ multiple standards on non-proliferation issues have met with a sceptical world.” Without NSG approval in early September, the US Congress may run out of time for final ratification before it adjourns at the end of the month for autumn elections.

Experts have said China is unlikely to stymie the nuclear deal and risk pushing Delhi closer to Washington when Beijing is seeking to avoid confrontation with its rising Asian neighbour. But many have also said that Beijing worries about how the deal will affect regional security and arms controls. China was not among the six nations that raised objections in the NSG meeting, but the commentary was a reminder that Beijing was irked by the nuclear agreement.

The United States’ initial proposal to the NSG was “vague” and “left the concerned papers very dissatisfied”, the newspaper said. “As there is no constraining link between supply of nuclear materials and India conducting a nuclear test,” it added. “India need not assume strict non-proliferation responsibilities.” reuters
 
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finally seems like china is making it's stand clear, it is against the deal

China hopes for balance in India nuclear deal

China hopes for balance in India nuclear deal

BEIJING (AP) - China urged caution in any deal supplying India with nuclear fuel and technology, saying Tuesday the peaceful use of nuclear energy had to be balanced against concerns about weapons development.
The comments by Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu at a regular news conference came ahead of talks in Vienna on Thursday and Friday on a deal that will allow the United States and other nations to supply India with nuclear material and technology for civilian use.
«China hopes the NSG (the 45-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group) can find a way to strike a balance between nuclear nonproliferation and (the) peaceful use of energy,» Jiang said.
The group bans nuclear exports to countries such as India that have atomic weapons and have refused to sign the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. The Vienna talks this week are expected to focus on amendments to a U.S.-proposed draft statement that would allow India access to other nations' nuclear fuel and technology.
Some members of the group are eager to open nuclear trade links with India and appear to back the U.S. argument that the waiver would bring the South Asian country into the nonproliferation mainstream. Others are concerned it could set a dangerous precedent.
The group's approval of an Indian waiver is essential for the finalizing of a separate civil nuclear cooperation pact between New Delhi and Washington. The pact, which still must be approved by the U.S. Congress, would reverse more than three decades of U.S. policy by allowing the sale of nuclear materials to a country that has tested nuclear weapons but has refused to sign nonproliferation treaties.
Jiang's comments were softer than an editorial Monday in the People's Daily newspaper, the mouthpiece of the Communist Party, which said the U.S.-India nuclear agreement posed a «major blow» to international nonproliferation.

«Whatever the future of the U.S.-India nuclear agreement, the multiple standard that the U.S. has on the issue of nonproliferation has caused doubts in the world,» it said.
Jiang said Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi will visit India and Sri Lanka starting Monday, but did not say if the nuclear issue would be discussed.
Although relations between India and China have improved in recent years, tensions remain due to sharpening economic rivalries, lingering arguments about their shared border and unrest in Tibet, the Chinese-controlled Himalayan region on the Indian frontier.
The neighbors fought a brief but bloody border war in 1962 and remain in dispute over the ownership of large chunks of mountainous territory.
 
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US Congress likely to hold lame duck session for N-deal


New Delhi/Saint Paul, Minnesota: A potential lifeline for the Indo-US nuclear deal as the US Congress may hold a lame duck session in December, which means the session will be held after November 4 presidential elections.

Such was indicated by House Minority Leader John Boehner who was quoted by the Congressional Quarterly as saying. This means that the deal might come through.

A lame duck session holds out the prospect of the nuclear deal being cleared during that session. If it is not cleared earlier in September, the September session of Congress is of 18 days duration that is far short of the 30 days required by the constitution to schedule, debate and vote on bills. But this window has relevance only if India wins a waiver for nuclear trade from the National Suppliers Group (NSG) on Friday which at this point looks problematic. Key NSG member China delivered a broadside in the form of an article in the communist party mouthpiece Peoples Daily.

“The nuclear deal was a major blow to non proliferation,” it said. It also accused the US of practicising not double but multiple standards and demanded that nuclear fuel supply be cut off if India tested an atomic device.

Austria, Ireland and New Zealand also weighed in more time to study the draft demanding tougher language and strict conditions on India.

President Bush now plans to personally talk to leaders of some of the key hardline NSG states and tell them that the deal is important to the US and there is nothing to be gained from alienating India by blocking the waiver. It has also been suggested that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh make some high level phone calls too.

US Congress likely to hold lame duck session for N-deal
 
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NSG meet: China may not oppose waiver to India


New Delhi: Just two days ahead of the crucial Nuclear Suppliers' Group (NSG) meet that decides the India-specific waiver, China appears to be favouring the waiver.

A day after China's official newspaper People's Daily raised some objections, its Foreign Ministry Spokesperson, Jiang Yu said China believes all countries have the right to develop nuclear energy, but warned against destabilising the non-proliferation regime.

She said Beijing expects the "relevant countries" to "safeguard the non-proliferation regime" without naming India or the US. Yu expressed the hope that the NSG would be able to "strike a balance between nuclear non-proliferation and peaceful use" of atomic energy.

China said it has always played a "positive" role at the meetings of the 45-nation grouping and believes all countries have the right to develop nuclear energy while observing the obligations of the non-proliferation regime, Jiang Yu said.

But in the US, an influential think tank, the Arms Control Association, has come out saying the NSG must reject the revised draft waiver. The body echoes the views of New Zealand and Austria.

Germany, which heads the NSG is now saying that a third NSG meeting cannot be ruled out since several countries want more time to study the revised draft.

NSG is due to meet on September 4-5 in Vienna to discuss the waiver to India to allow it to resume nuclear commerce with the international community after a gap of 34 years.

NSG meet: China may not oppose waiver to India


Time has come when whole world including US, China, India would get united to fight with the challenges human being is facing. Terrorism, Climate Change etc have made a question on the survival of the world. If India and China has more than 5000 years of civilization then United States, home of migrants of all the continents, is equipped with modern technology. An understanding among these countries can not only help to save the world but also they all can work together to improve living standards of 3rd world countries.

we are in 21st century. we don’t have enough space for any type of conflicts. The Indo-US nuclear deal will establish a type of understanding in the whole world which will finally give a direction for progress and developments. "Time" never back and if we loose "The Time" right now, we will find a world where problems like Terrorism and Climate Change will have taken that type of shape that it will be hard for us to back again in "The Present". If we lose The Present, we will become Past.
 
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Chinese leadership split over backing N-deal at NSG-China-World-The Times of India

BEIJING: Indications of differences within the Chinese leadership over the India-US nuclear deal became evident when the country's foreign ministry on Tuesday refused to endorse the criticism of the deal expressed by the Communist Party's main newspaper on Monday. ( Watch )

Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Jiang Yu seemed to suggest Beijing was prepared to consider supporting the deal at the coming meeting of the Nuclear Suppliers Group if the "relevant countries" provide the necessary assurances on nuclear safeguards.

She said she has not read the article that appeared in Monday's edition of the People's Daily .

"China hopes the NSG finds a way to strike a balance between nuclear non-proliferation and the peaceful use of energy," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang said at a press conference indicating that Beijing was looking for modifications in the deal to make it more palatable.

The Chinese military brass and certain hawks in the Communist Party are known to be opposed to the India-US deal. But several leaders at the helm of affairs feel that opposing the deal at the NSG meeting will have far-reaching affect on India-China relationship.

Jiang said China expects the "relevant countries" would be able to "safeguard the effectiveness of the international non-proliferation regime". She seemed to suggest that China would be happy with some more assurances that the spirit of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty would be safeguarded even if India did not actually sign it, observers said.

She also reiterated the earlier stance of her government when she said that that all countries have the "right to peacefully use nuclear energy and conduct international cooperation in line with the non-proliferation obligation." China would continue to play the "positive role" that it has been playing at meetings of the NSG, she said.

The foreign ministry's statement suggests that Beijing is caught is a dilemma and is far from arriving at a final decision on its stand at the NSG. It may prefer to watch the responses of other members in the 45-member group before opening its cards at the meeting in Vienna on September 4 and 5, observers said.

China's attitude at the NSG might influence the outcome of the three-day visit by Chinese foreign minister Yang Jiechi starting September 6. Jiang confirmed that Yang will meet External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee besides opening the Chinese consulate office in Kolkata.

The spokesperson said that the mutual trust between China and India had deepened since the successful visit of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to Beijing in January. The two countries are committed to further developing "strategic partnership" while maintaining their neighbourly and friendly relationship, she said.
 
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India partner, not rival, says China on NSG meet eve- Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times

NEW DELHI/BEIJING: Amid reports of Beijing's reservations about the nuclear deal, China Tuesday announced Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi's forthcoming visit to India and underlined that the two countries are "partners, rather than rivals".

The three-day visit beginning Sunday was announced in New Delhi and Beijing by the foreign office of the two countries. This will be Yang's first visit to India since becoming foreign minister in April last year.

"China and India are friendly neighbours, and both are large developing countries. The two sides have reached consensus that they were cooperative partners of mutual benefit, rather than rivals," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu told reporters in Beijing.

Alluding to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's successful visit to China early this year, she said the visit that led to the signing of a strategic joint statement, "A Shared Vision for the 21st Century", marked an important step in improving relations.

Beijing's assurance about its commitment to develop strategic ties with India comes close on the heels of critical remarks in the People's Daily - the mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party - attacking the India-US nuclear deal as a major blow "to the international non-proliferation regime".

India is, however, hopeful that China will not risk its growing relations with New Delhi by playing the spoiler in the 45-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) when it meets Thursday to consider a waiver to resume global nuclear commerce with India.
 
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N-deal has reached to a situation where there is very less for India to loose. If china opposes the deal in any manner, it will create a polarization for India. This is biggest problem for China who does not want OR can not directly oppose the deal. Its getting interesting.
 
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