India's Chabahar vs China's Gwadar: New Delhi plays tic-tac-toe with Beijing

[ashok321]

http://www.businesstoday.in/magazin...ina-relation-india-pakistan/story/263807.html


There was jubilation all around at Deendayal Port Trust - the former Kandla port - on October 29, as the first of six shipments of wheat bound for Afghanistan left Indian shores. What was so special about the shipment? It was the first time any large consignment from India was travelling to landlocked Afghanistan bypassing Pakistan. Over the next few days, the wheat was shipped 650 nautical miles (1,200 km) to Chabahar port in Iran, and thence another 635 km by road to Zahedan on Afghanistan's western border. Until India began building two berths at Chabahar port - which have been leased to it by Iran for 10 years - surface transport from India to Afghanistan was impossible without passing through Pakistani territory. The new route is so crucial to both India and Afghanistan that both External Affairs Ministers, Sushma Swaraj and Salahuddin Rabbani, respectively, monitored the consignment's departure via video conferencing.


The Chabahar berths not only provide India a route to Afghanistan but also to Central Asian markets, without having to join the Chinese-promoted 'One Belt, One Road' (OBOR) initiative. Though some have criticised India for staying away from OBOR - in which a host of Asian and European nations are involved - External Affairs Ministry say that whatever objectives India could have achieved by joining OBOR can be fulfilled by other means as well. In any case, a vital component of OBOR is the China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), as Chinese Premier Xi Jinping himself acknowledged at the OBOR conference in May this year. Given that the CPEC passes through Pakistan-occupied Gilgit and Baltistan, there was no way India could have endorsed OBOR. "OBOR or no OBOR, India must chart it own path," says T. C. A. Rangachari, former diplomat. "We need to find ways to repair our economy and locate our own markets and reach them."


Indeed, the India-China competition for regional clout has now found a new arena. If India intends to use Chabahar, China has nearby Gwadar port, which it has leased from Pakistan for 40 years and which, through the CPEC will connect to Kashgar on its western border. Fortunately for India, the CPEC project has been delayed due to opposition from various sections in Pakistan which claim the terms are biased in China's favour. India has used the opportunity to accelerate the completion of its Chabahar berths, which were expected to be fully operational by December 2018 but may now be ready months earlier. "Work is proceeding on a war footing," says a Ministry of Shipping official. The berths are being built by India Ports Global Pvt Ltd, a joint venture of Jawaharlal Nehru Port Trust and Deendayal Port Trust. Indian business has every reason to hope that once Chabahar gets going, apart from foodgrain, trade in heavy engineering goods, pharmaceuticals, chemicals, agricultural produce, automobiles and more with Afghanistan, Iran and the Central Asian republics will see a major fillip.


So far this year India's trade with the five key Central Asian countries - Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan - has been a mere S1.6 billion. These markets are dominated by Chinese, Russian and European products, but India believes its trade can increase manifold if it can build convenient trade routes. Accordingly, apart from Chabahar, India is also seeking to use the Iranian port of Bandar Abbas, further west of Chabahar. In September 2014, India held a trial run of an empty container tagged with a GPS device, from Mumbai by sea to Bandar Abbas and thence by road to Astrakhan in southern Russia, passing through Azerbaijan and found this route substantially reduced transport costs to the region.


No doubt bottlenecks remain, both within the country and beyond, but India is trying hard to overcome them with dedicated freight corridors, industrial corridors and the series of ports it is building under the Bharat Mala project. As part of the agreement to develop Chabahar port, Iran is to get a $150 million loan from India, but has yet to complete the formalities which will enable EXIM Bank to disburse the first tranche. (India's control of the two berths will become operational as soon as the loan is disbursed.) Shipping ministry officials, however, assured that many matters had been streamlined between the two countries and the disbursal was likely to happen soon. Again, tariffs along the trade routes and other logistical details of trade have yet to be finalised with both Iran and Afghanistan. Even so, a beginning has certainly been made.

 

[Han Patriot]

Competition? One is a completed port and another is a 'under construction' berth. Chabahar port have been completed long ago, it is only the expansion of 2 berths leased by India which is still ongoing. This wheat consignment is not even using those Indian berths. The question is why do you need to pay hundreds of millions for 2 berths when you can just send it to Chabahar directly using existing berths. Btw, ZPMC can just delay the port machineries to screw up India.

I am sensing another scam here, the GOI is inviting alot of known RSS supporting companies to take over the project. Since it is a 'strategic' matter, the GOI will subsidize it even if it's loss making, this is a cow for those Modi cronies to milk.

 

[MultaniGuy]

http://www.businesstoday.in/magazin...ina-relation-india-pakistan/story/263807.html


There was jubilation all around at Deendayal Port Trust - the former Kandla port - on October 29, as the first of six shipments of wheat bound for Afghanistan left Indian shores. What was so special about the shipment? It was the first time any large consignment from India was travelling to landlocked Afghanistan bypassing Pakistan. Over the next few days, the wheat was shipped 650 nautical miles (1,200 km) to Chabahar port in Iran, and thence another 635 km by road to Zahedan on Afghanistan's western border. Until India began building two berths at Chabahar port - which have been leased to it by Iran for 10 years - surface transport from India to Afghanistan was impossible without passing through Pakistani territory. The new route is so crucial to both India and Afghanistan that both External Affairs Ministers, Sushma Swaraj and Salahuddin Rabbani, respectively, monitored the consignment's departure via video conferencing.


The Chabahar berths not only provide India a route to Afghanistan but also to Central Asian markets, without having to join the Chinese-promoted 'One Belt, One Road' (OBOR) initiative. Though some have criticised India for staying away from OBOR - in which a host of Asian and European nations are involved - External Affairs Ministry say that whatever objectives India could have achieved by joining OBOR can be fulfilled by other means as well. In any case, a vital component of OBOR is the China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), as Chinese Premier Xi Jinping himself acknowledged at the OBOR conference in May this year. Given that the CPEC passes through Pakistan-occupied Gilgit and Baltistan, there was no way India could have endorsed OBOR. "OBOR or no OBOR, India must chart it own path," says T. C. A. Rangachari, former diplomat. "We need to find ways to repair our economy and locate our own markets and reach them."


Indeed, the India-China competition for regional clout has now found a new arena. If India intends to use Chabahar, China has nearby Gwadar port, which it has leased from Pakistan for 40 years and which, through the CPEC will connect to Kashgar on its western border. Fortunately for India, the CPEC project has been delayed due to opposition from various sections in Pakistan which claim the terms are biased in China's favour. India has used the opportunity to accelerate the completion of its Chabahar berths, which were expected to be fully operational by December 2018 but may now be ready months earlier. "Work is proceeding on a war footing," says a Ministry of Shipping official. The berths are being built by India Ports Global Pvt Ltd, a joint venture of Jawaharlal Nehru Port Trust and Deendayal Port Trust. Indian business has every reason to hope that once Chabahar gets going, apart from foodgrain, trade in heavy engineering goods, pharmaceuticals, chemicals, agricultural produce, automobiles and more with Afghanistan, Iran and the Central Asian republics will see a major fillip.


So far this year India's trade with the five key Central Asian countries - Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan - has been a mere S1.6 billion. These markets are dominated by Chinese, Russian and European products, but India believes its trade can increase manifold if it can build convenient trade routes. Accordingly, apart from Chabahar, India is also seeking to use the Iranian port of Bandar Abbas, further west of Chabahar. In September 2014, India held a trial run of an empty container tagged with a GPS device, from Mumbai by sea to Bandar Abbas and thence by road to Astrakhan in southern Russia, passing through Azerbaijan and found this route substantially reduced transport costs to the region.


No doubt bottlenecks remain, both within the country and beyond, but India is trying hard to overcome them with dedicated freight corridors, industrial corridors and the series of ports it is building under the Bharat Mala project. As part of the agreement to develop Chabahar port, Iran is to get a $150 million loan from India, but has yet to complete the formalities which will enable EXIM Bank to disburse the first tranche. (India's control of the two berths will become operational as soon as the loan is disbursed.) Shipping ministry officials, however, assured that many matters had been streamlined between the two countries and the disbursal was likely to happen soon. Again, tariffs along the trade routes and other logistical details of trade have yet to be finalised with both Iran and Afghanistan. Even so, a beginning has certainly been made.

The map is wrong again. Pakistan has a piece of Kashmir with it.

Why do people keep posting maps of India completely having Kashmir under it's authority when thats not true.

Pakistan has Gilgit-Baltistan and Azad Kashmir under Pakistani administration.

 

[DarX]

http://www.businesstoday.in/magazin...ina-relation-india-pakistan/story/263807.html


There was jubilation all around at Deendayal Port Trust - the former Kandla port - on October 29, as the first of six shipments of wheat bound for Afghanistan left Indian shores. What was so special about the shipment? It was the first time any large consignment from India was travelling to landlocked Afghanistan bypassing Pakistan. Over the next few days, the wheat was shipped 650 nautical miles (1,200 km) to Chabahar port in Iran, and thence another 635 km by road to Zahedan on Afghanistan's western border. Until India began building two berths at Chabahar port - which have been leased to it by Iran for 10 years - surface transport from India to Afghanistan was impossible without passing through Pakistani territory. The new route is so crucial to both India and Afghanistan that both External Affairs Ministers, Sushma Swaraj and Salahuddin Rabbani, respectively, monitored the consignment's departure via video conferencing.


The Chabahar berths not only provide India a route to Afghanistan but also to Central Asian markets, without having to join the Chinese-promoted 'One Belt, One Road' (OBOR) initiative. Though some have criticised India for staying away from OBOR - in which a host of Asian and European nations are involved - External Affairs Ministry say that whatever objectives India could have achieved by joining OBOR can be fulfilled by other means as well. In any case, a vital component of OBOR is the China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), as Chinese Premier Xi Jinping himself acknowledged at the OBOR conference in May this year. Given that the CPEC passes through Pakistan-occupied Gilgit and Baltistan, there was no way India could have endorsed OBOR. "OBOR or no OBOR, India must chart it own path," says T. C. A. Rangachari, former diplomat. "We need to find ways to repair our economy and locate our own markets and reach them."


Indeed, the India-China competition for regional clout has now found a new arena. If India intends to use Chabahar, China has nearby Gwadar port, which it has leased from Pakistan for 40 years and which, through the CPEC will connect to Kashgar on its western border. Fortunately for India, the CPEC project has been delayed due to opposition from various sections in Pakistan which claim the terms are biased in China's favour. India has used the opportunity to accelerate the completion of its Chabahar berths, which were expected to be fully operational by December 2018 but may now be ready months earlier. "Work is proceeding on a war footing," says a Ministry of Shipping official. The berths are being built by India Ports Global Pvt Ltd, a joint venture of Jawaharlal Nehru Port Trust and Deendayal Port Trust. Indian business has every reason to hope that once Chabahar gets going, apart from foodgrain, trade in heavy engineering goods, pharmaceuticals, chemicals, agricultural produce, automobiles and more with Afghanistan, Iran and the Central Asian republics will see a major fillip.


So far this year India's trade with the five key Central Asian countries - Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan - has been a mere S1.6 billion. These markets are dominated by Chinese, Russian and European products, but India believes its trade can increase manifold if it can build convenient trade routes. Accordingly, apart from Chabahar, India is also seeking to use the Iranian port of Bandar Abbas, further west of Chabahar. In September 2014, India held a trial run of an empty container tagged with a GPS device, from Mumbai by sea to Bandar Abbas and thence by road to Astrakhan in southern Russia, passing through Azerbaijan and found this route substantially reduced transport costs to the region.


No doubt bottlenecks remain, both within the country and beyond, but India is trying hard to overcome them with dedicated freight corridors, industrial corridors and the series of ports it is building under the Bharat Mala project. As part of the agreement to develop Chabahar port, Iran is to get a $150 million loan from India, but has yet to complete the formalities which will enable EXIM Bank to disburse the first tranche. (India's control of the two berths will become operational as soon as the loan is disbursed.) Shipping ministry officials, however, assured that many matters had been streamlined between the two countries and the disbursal was likely to happen soon. Again, tariffs along the trade routes and other logistical details of trade have yet to be finalised with both Iran and Afghanistan. Even so, a beginning has certainly been made.

Indian propaganda at its best. How do they plan to safely move freight through Afghanistan if this debauched Afghan govt doesn't even have control of 50% of the country. They can't even guarantee the delivery of this wheat to Kabul, let alone building a freight corridor in competition to the CPEC!

While we only have to contend with Indian sponsored attacks in balochistan, both Afghanistan and Kashmir are revolting against Indian oppression. It is not as rosy for India as they lead everyone to believe.

The map is wrong again. Pakistan has a piece of Kashmir with it.

Why do people keep posting maps of India completely having Kashmir under it's authority when thats not true.

Pakistan has Gilgit-Baltistan and Azad Kashmir under Pakistani administration.

Indians think if they day dream hard enough, the Sun will start orbiting around them.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Indian propaganda at its best. How do they plan to safely move freight through Afghanistan if this debauched Afghan govt doesn't even have control of 50% of the country. They can't even guarantee the delivery of this wheat to Kabul, let alone building a freight corridor in competition to the CPEC!

While we only have to contend with Indian sponsored attacks in balochistan, both Afghanistan and Kashmir are revolting against Indian oppression. It is not as rosy for India as they lead everyone to believe.



Indians think if they day dream hard enough, the Sun will start orbiting around them.

lol, I laughed loudly lol.
A good one by you.

But seriously you can find pictures on the internet with India having all of Kashmir under its jurisdiction when that is not true. There are maps which show Aksai China and South Tibet under Indian jurisdiction when obviously that is wrong.

It must be Indian propaganda.

 

[faithfulguy]

lol, I laughed loudly lol.
A good one by you.

But seriously you can find pictures on the internet with India having all of Kashmir under its jurisdiction when that is not true. There are maps which show Aksai China and South Tibet under Indian jurisdiction when obviously that is wrong.

It must be Indian propaganda.

India have low self esteems. So they fabricate maps to feel better. They are like babies that need pacifiers. The great strategy of creating a counter proposal to OBOR as well as this map show how immature these guys are.

 

[suresh1773]

While we only have to contend with Indian sponsored attacks in balochistan, It is not as rosy for India as they lead everyone to believe.

Indian sponsored attacks in Balochistan ????. What about other provinces of Pakistan, are they safe. Karachi the commercial city is battling with loads of problems. U have ethnic and political violence. Lastly the militants whom you have trained and sponsored during Afghan war have becomes cobras and pythons.

 

[DarX]

lol, I laughed loudly lol.
A good one by you.

But seriously you can find pictures on the internet with India having all of Kashmir under its jurisdiction when that is not true. There are maps which show Aksai China and South Tibet under Indian jurisdiction when obviously that is wrong.

It must be Indian propaganda.

Haha. Man they are such prolific liars that they have instituted laws and filed cases against international companies which do not show their maps. The West is supporting them because they are manipulating the Indians against the Chinese and so all rules are being bent to appease them. It is all propaganda.

But the funny bit is that, like how the west damaged Pakistan by supporting dictatorships to reach their own objectives, now they are applauding Modi as he turns increasingly towards Hindu fascism. Blunders such as Demonetization are being hailed and instead of development, they have wasted billions of dollars on expensive arms. That is why I am betting that not only will this remain just propaganda, but it threatens India's own future.

Indian sponsored attacks in Balochistan ????. What about other provinces of Pakistan, are they safe. Karachi the commercial city is battling with loads of problems. U have ethnic and political violence. Lastly the militants whom you have trained and sponsored during Afghan war have becomes cobras and pythons.

All of these attacks are perpetrated by the TTP Jamaat Ul Ahraar, whose leaders have confessed to having direct contacts with India. The only ethnic and political violence was committed by the MQM, whose members confessed before the Scotland Yard that they got all their funding from India. The members who surrendered confessed that they got their training when they visited India. These are no longer secrets.

Do you really think India is that innocent that it has never done anything of this sort in its life? When Pakistan supported the Pakhtuns Taliban, India was supporting the Soviet occupation, the Najibullah govt and then the debauched Northern Alliance govt. It has been this oppression by India which caused the Afghan govt to lose 50% of its country up till now.

 

[Gurjot.S]

Indian propaganda at its best. How do they plan to safely move freight through Afghanistan if this debauched Afghan govt doesn't even have control of 50% of the country. They can't even guarantee the delivery of this wheat to Kabul, let alone building a freight corridor in competition to the CPEC!

While we only have to contend with Indian sponsored attacks in balochistan, both Afghanistan and Kashmir are revolting against Indian oppression. It is not as rosy for India as they lead everyone to believe.
Indians think if they day dream hard enough, the Sun will start orbiting around them.

If pakistan has contacts with war lords so do india. and btw, Chahbahar is needed by india to access central asia not A-stan alone.

Again, it has nothing to do with CPEC.

 

[newb3e]

If pakistan has contacts with war lords so do india. and btw, Chahbahar is needed by india to access central asia not A-stan alone.

Again, it has nothing to do with CPEC.

and you planning to bypass afghanistan how? the freight will be loaded on invisible arms of Hanuman the sirgkal hero and fly over afganistan and delivered to central asia?

 

[Gurjot.S]

It is easy.

If you would be a mouse then we would be a cat. If you are a mosquito then we we be pesticide or something.

Pick your choice.

Nope India. You know that.

Tell me a single instance when you proved yourself as a cat . A country which has been used till now by others is calling mouse to another nation which has independent F.P.

 

[Areesh]

Tell me a single instance when you proved yourself as a cat . A country which has been used till now by others is calling mouse to another nation which has independent F.P.

Your country and its 24/7 randi rona about Pakistan is a proof.

if nothing else then you are surely not on a Pakistani forum to give rishta of Indian girls. You are here because of your obsession with your biggest enemy.

 

[Gurjot.S]

and you planning to bypass afghanistan how? the freight will be loaded on invisible arms of Hanuman the sirgkal hero and fly over afganistan and delivered to central asia?

Who wants to bypass A-stan ? I wanted to say accessing central or middle east markets or even europe.

Btw, Afghan neighboring states has nothing for india other than oil or uranium which we can get from else where ..

Your country and its 24/7 randi rona about Pakistan is a proof.

if nothing else then you are surely not on a Pakistani forum to give rishta of Indian girls. You are here because of your obsession with your biggest enemy.

Oh plss...

Go and see indian news papers, your nation only get a mention when there are issues of terror etc.

99% of indians dont even know about this forum and those who are here comes to troll(80%) and you call it obsession ?

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Don't go there. Because if India were to step down to being a mouse or a mosquito- imagine what a proportional downgrade you would get. You'd probably be down to microscopic levels.

kia chu***pay ki batain ho rahi hain yahan...

Who wants to bypass A-stan ? I wanted to say accessing central or middle east markets or even europe.

Btw, Afghan neighboring states has nothing for india other than oil or uranium which we can get from else where ..

trade with europe and central asia , why not use existing Iranian ports for that? why chabahar for that?

 

[newb3e]

Who wants to bypass A-stan ? I wanted to say accessing central or middle east markets or even europe.

Btw, Afghan neighboring states has nothing for india other than oil or uranium which we can get from else where ..

how will you access CA? please enlighten us! have you guys invented some invisible container or something that can pass afganistan without taliban noticing (who control more than 50% afganistan and dont like banyas much)? comon spill your secret please