India’s air defence upgrades are eroding Pakistan’s offensive capability

[Umar Nazir]

Shaheen III have Mach 18 speed, impossible to block by S400

 

[Philip the Arab]

Shaheen III have Mach 18 speed, impossible to block by S400

Nah, long range MLRS barrages of 30-40 rockets would be way better. It would be impossible to intercept them all, and if many batteries were acquired could engage all Indian airbases. A-300 MLRS from China could take out most of Western, and South Western air command bases and clear skies for PAF.

 

[Umar Nazir]

Nah, long range MLRS barrages of 30-40 rockets would be way better. It would be impossible to intercept them all, and if many batteries were acquired could engage all Indian airbases.

Pakistani drone will also come into equation as minimum operation level for s400 is 100 feet height, where as drone can fly lower than 100 feet. I think Pakistan is going to invest heavily in drone technology in coming years

 

[Philip the Arab]

Pakistani drone will also come into equation as minimum operation level for 400 is 100 feet height, where as drone can fly lower than 100 feet. I think Pakistan is going to invest heavily in drone technology in coming years

S-400 will be layered by other Indian air defense that will protect against all altitudes. Its going to be hard to get within range of S-400 while surviving but there are many options Pakistan has.

 

[PakGuns]

india had s 300... and we still bombed them

 

[danger007]

Minimum deterrence will always be maintained. Just because India is buying S400 does not mean Pakistan's counter punch will be eroded. China has S400, turkey has it, PAF pilots will get plenty of opportunities to train against this system. I am not implying that S400 is not a threat however all airforce prepare for offensive and counter offensive. PAF is not different. Plus stand off weapons will also play a huge role. If anything operation swift resort did show how Pakistan employed its stand off weapons while also showed India messed up terribly in using their SAM assets under pressure.

Why do you think PAF pilots get such opportunity??? Do you think Russia allows you to get train against such platform... how you going to train against???

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

IMO It won't engage at 400 kms. Its too much reaction time.

Ok then. 200km? Still the ra

Pakistani drone will also come into equation as minimum operation level for s400 is 100 feet height, where as drone can fly lower than 100 feet. I think Pakistan is going to invest heavily in drone technology in coming years

Hmm what about the other SAM systems gaurding the S 400?

 

[Philip the Arab]

Why do you think PAF pilots get such opportunity??? Do you think Russia allows you to get train against such platform... how you going to train against???

How would India defend against mass 290 km MLRS barrages of 40-50 missiles against each air base?

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Nah, long range MLRS barrages of 30-40 rockets would be way better. It would be impossible to intercept them all, and if many batteries were acquired could engage all Indian airbases. A-300 MLRS from China could take out most of Western, and South Western air command bases and clear skies for PAF.

Well those A 300s will be taken out by standoff weapons as they had to be placed closed to border

 

[Philip the Arab]

Well those A 300s will be taken out by standoff weapons as they had to be placed closed to border

Not necessarily they can shoot-and-scoot when finished launching, and can be protected by LY-80, and other Pakistan air defenses. They can be placed near outskirts of Lahore, or other cities and just hide inside city.

Its also ridiculously hard to find these before they can unleash their barrage.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

They can be placed near outskirts of Lahore, or other cities and just hide inside city.

To destroy S 400, they need to be placed at that part which is close to S 400. Not necassarily in cities. So u think LY 80s will be used to protect A 300s. Are LY 80s are that efficient that it can protect A 300s against the Stand off weapons especially against those Israeli ones which India have?

 

[Imran Khan]

only matter of worry to IAF .

bander ke hath main ustraa

 

[Turan09]

Every airdefence can be destroyed with an overwhelming attack... Most efficient ways are...
1) Detect the airdefence system's coordinates maybe with UAV's, Drones or human intelligence... If airdefence system shot one of this drones it will create a massive smoke afterall... And strike it with a cruise missile barrier... If you can send enough cruise missiles rapidly, even the best airdefence system will fail... The problem is India is a large country, so it is hard to detect this systems... It is a solution of today.

2) Use, kamikaze strike drones... Turkey is developing ALPAGU Blok II kamikaze drones, (similar to IAI Harop)

Turkey even wants to use it with AKINCI UCAV's... As far as I know it is a new concept, An Armed Drone Akinci will strike valuable targets with so many Kamikaze Drones... Again create a overwhelming attack, bucher all air defence systems... This is a solution for future...

Again, there is no invincible Air Defence systems, all you need is a smart but also overwhelming fire power.

 

[Umar Nazir]

Ok then. 200km? Still the ra

Hmm what about the other SAM systems gaurding the S 400?

they all operate at minimum 100 feet height where as drone can operate at 50-60 feet

 

[Turan09]

Why do you think PAF pilots get such opportunity??? Do you think Russia allows you to get train against such platform... how you going to train against???

Years ago, Turkish Air Forces trained against Azerbaijani S-300's... Russia didn't object. You know this systems all export variants, so it doesn't really create a big problem for Russia's own air defence.
So if they so choose, probably Pakistan can easly train her pilots against Turkish or Chinese S-400's... Russia won't care.